so, what is the most important thing that binds all else?

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after 4 years of reading and practice I think it is TALKING SLOWLY.

when I made 106 approaches in 3 hours and only got 1 number I stopped making spam approaches
when I had 4 good dates in 3 weeks that led nowhere I stopped entertaining women and started talking slowly.

once I switched, suddenly:
I don't want to talk that much anymore
I don't feel like qualifying myself that much
my voice became more buttery and bassy, because highpitched and entusiastic didn't feel right with the slow speed anymore
I touched her much more and wasn't apoligetic about it because it just fit with my slow reasoning
my facial expressions expressiveness dialed down to 30% of intencity, again, because it felt right
i became more dominant and leading, almost like playing a new character

and on daygame approach my slow speed calms every girl like axii sign in witcher 3

and NOW I wonder how the hell did I even fuck anyone before:)
 

COCPORN

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If you didn't write "most important thing" it would be easy to agree.

You are reporting you are doing two things: Speaking more slowly and speaking at a lower (more bassy) pitch. These things are very important. The effects you register as an effect of focusing on this one thing match more-or-less with what I find in my own experiences.

Speed and pitch of speech are in my experience one of those things that also goes back and fixes other stuff, if only in the moment. I used to do voice training to help with this back in the days. It is an interesting discussion.
 

Hue

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Voice is super important. It's more than just how fast you're speaking though.

Voice speed sets the pace for how much room for other information you're allowing to come across. If you're talking quickly, people have to try to catch everything and they'll miss other elements about you. By talking slowly, they hear every word and notice other things in your fundamentals.

How often you speak is also a huge factor. If you speak on everything and always have something to say, your voice doesn't carry as much weight as someone who saves their comments for only important matters or when they find it appropriate. There are times to lead conversation, have small talk, and keep things easy on the mood yes... but if you're generally quiet and then suddenly open your mouth people most always listen to you.

Deeper voices have been found to be more attractive in men. Morgan Freeman's voice comes to mind - that shit is beautiful. Daniel's voice (Bacchus), as well, drips with sex. I've also read on female sex-meme instagrams how attractive women find it to just hear that deep baritone in a man's voice, purely because of how manly it is.

The tonality of your voice is what makes it such a versatile instrument. You can inflect upward and downward, reside there for a while, then excite the energy of your voice back up for an enticing topic, question, or point. It's your tone that registers most of your attitude or feelings towards a subject, and that's an incredibly important piece of the communication going on.

Speech ryhthm can be quite powerful, as well. You can commonly fractionate with this by saying many words while speeding up and then sloooowing doown speech.

Or, my favorite.....

...pregnant pauses.

Learning how to draw people in during the right moments is great, and is really how to heat up the iron before hitting down the hammer with juicy content.

Lastly, volume. A quiet voice trying not to get in anyone's way, or have anyone really take notice to them, will get quickly thrown aside by that of someone who can tactfully create a boom with their vocal chords. Sometimes, you need to command people or grab the groups attention. Leading the interaction (like getting the waiter's attention for a check, or changing the direction of the group social situation) can call for speaking up. Other times, hushing your voice while saying something sexy will pull the listener in, and the contrast to your prior volume makes the content a bit silkier on the ears.


So yes... voice is important. There's a lot to be said there. ;)


Hue
 
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naturalmikey

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you fucked because women will make it very easy at certain times for certain guys she finds attractive. how many men have game? yet it’s not like no one is fucking. but according to what i’ve read less and less men are. it’s sad but men have become very unattractive. although girls are fucking feminized men with great looks left and right most men aren’t. masculinity is what gets your foot in the door if you don’t have superior genetics. the way i look at it though is more for me. since mid 2016 when i found pickup shit keeps getting easier and easier. especially for those who live in left of center cities, which most in the western world do now.
 

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Like Cocporn said this isn't the most important thing. But it certainly is a powerful fundamental. . .

Talking slowly and making use of a deeper tonality offers a calming experience for your listeners. It also helps you relax infield because talking this way involves taking deep breaths. . . and feeling your voice emanate from your chest cavity has a grounding effect on your vibe.

This internal-external combination sets off a positive feedback loop in your interactions. You're relaxed, she's relaxed. . . and what's more is the potency of anything else you might say or do becomes multiplied. So yeah it's definitely worth drilling into auto-pilot.
 

TheHustler

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I always drop my voice a bit lower when approaching. Also make sure I am not talking fast. Increases the girl hooking.

I actually did a experiment one time with this. I put vaporub on my chest before going to bed and woke up with a super deep voice. I approached a girl and she hooked super easily.

She got in a car accident answering my call later (trying to get my call in traffic).
 
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thats_a_penis_disgustang

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i remember from childhood bible studies that every sin leads to more sins and greed is like a sin KING and leads to 200+ other sins. so, voice is not the most important per se, but it is the one that leads to the most improvements
 

COCPORN

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> but it is the one that leads to the most improvements

I don't understand the need to discuss things in absolutes. If you are covered in manure from having just cleaned out the paddock, taking a shower will lead to more improvement than voice work. We all agree with your point on doing voice work, why do you want to cement it as the most effective thing?

If you want to truly make this a useful thread, some tips on doing voice work would be welcome. I can, now, improve my voice substantially by focusing on it and I am aware when I go off the "good path". When I do bodywork, my voice drops automatically. I do, however, have friends and acquaintances that seem to lack the ability to control their voice, and telling them to "speak more slowly with a more sexy voice" doesn't have the impact you want.
 
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