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HumanWhoLearns

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I want to read up more social psychology to very if this is true or not, but my theory is that straight women don't actually like guys, they just like the characteristics a guy has.

Breaking it down further. You have your appearance ("outer characteristics") and your soul. For simplicity's sake let's say your soul is just a combination of personality traits and morals. If women really just liked a guy, (appearance + soul), then it wouldn't matter if a guy didn't have good game.

With that being the case, how is a beginner to the dating scene supposed to feel like they are good enough when the power dynamic has shifted so much that women are either: already entangled with somebody or it' repeatedly implied that you're not good enough through women's actions when you approach them. Now if I do approach or manage to get a date, I feel like I have to put on a little act b/c apparently I'm not good enough as I am. So when I'm interacting with them, I'm thinking too much and I'm really anxious trying not to screw it up like I've done so many times. Of course, this is the opposite of attractive behavior.

I also graduated college not too long ago and I'm trying to get a job in my field and it's like the same unfair battleground, if not worse.

My whole life, people's actions have implied that I'm not good enough. All just because I'm not aware of some social tricks? Because I have anxiety?
 
a good date brings a smile to your lips... and hers

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Of course most women you are or will be meeting will have "someone" already in their lives.Get over it.What's more if u work on your game and fundamentals...women(most) will be attracted to how you come across cause u seem different compared to most guys.

With game u kinda have a feeling of abundance.You know deep in your mind that u could wake up anyday go out, approach some women and snag a hottie.

Keep doing it and doing it and doing it ...till it's ingrained deep in your subconscious mind... fully automated.And at that point u would realize it's no longer an act.It's YOU.You are the game.

Part of feeling it's an act is kinda talking yourself into "just being yourself" trope peddled around.Yeah be yourself but the best version of it.

Let go of the anxiety...take a deep breath...stop feeling like you aren't good enough.Say to yourself that it's all for the practice.Every time u try not to screw it up u gonna definitely screw it up.

But when u do it for the practice...when you really are putting the reps in,you realize how good you are or are becoming.It takes patience and it takes effort.You don't wake up one day and say,"I'm some hot spunk...women should be falling on my lap".

A good way of letting go of the anxiety would be "she's one among the many I'll be meeting... she's practice for the next one".Not to mean you should go around doing dates or pickups recklessly...far from that...only to mean that if you stick at it,sooner or later you'll get the process down and be among the smoothest of us.

Anyway,you wanna monitor what reactions others have towards you socially and calibrate.Are you pissing them off?Are they welcoming or receptive?

It's gonna suck usually when starting out but the rewards will be worth it if you stick around when others have packed their bags and left.

Here's to endurance 😎

~Chad Tyrone
 

MarioTheDom

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How does this mental masturbation help you in your life?

You like actually women (with the goods and the bad) or the youth/beauty/feminine energy they bring.

You see, LIFE IS A COMPETITION, and you will never be able to compete if you don't play to win.
This mentality and energy spent on it simply will not help you.
 

Chase

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@HumanWhoLearns,

my theory is that straight women don't actually like guys, they just like the characteristics a guy has.
I also graduated college not too long ago and I'm trying to get a job in my field and it's like the same unfair battleground, if not worse.

My whole life, people's actions have implied that I'm not good enough. All just because I'm not aware of some social tricks? Because I have anxiety?

Well, there's a couple sides to that coin.

  1. People are going to be selective for dates, hires, etc., regardless whether they value the human underneath or not. A girl or a hiring manager might be supremely empathetic and filled with love for others, yet still be able to say, "As valuable of a soul as you are, like every soul I meet, there's something different I'm looking for for this role in my life."

  2. It's also the case that as people move up or down in psychological health their focus shifts to external loving/caring/appreciation vs. internal focus/"get what I need." Psychologically very healthy people tend to love/like everybody, and are empathetic even to people who try to hurt them (doesn't mean they are pushovers, just that they see the human inside, even if that person is acting like a villain). As psychological health declines, people become more inwardly focused and much stingier with their empathy; at the very unhealthy levels, people are too busy trying to survive, protect themselves, and get what they need to have the energy to spare caring about others; they just view other people as either useful sources of value or potential value to their lives or not.

But as for this:

Breaking it down further. You have your appearance ("outer characteristics") and your soul. For simplicity's sake let's say your soul is just a combination of personality traits and morals. If women really just liked a guy, (appearance + soul), then it wouldn't matter if a guy didn't have good game.

Yeah, but as you know, nobody knows who you are on the inside without having first had a close relationship with you.

You don't become attracted to women that way... e.g. "I just met this girl, and she behaves really weird, but I have read her soul and it is pure. She is the one for me," etc. Likewise, they don't become attracted to you that way.

Before people get to know the 'you' inside, you must get past the 'you' and 'her' outside.


With that being the case, how is a beginner to the dating scene supposed to feel like they are good enough when the power dynamic has shifted so much that women are either: already entangled with somebody

It depends on the sex ratio of your area somewhat. But generally speaking, at least in the United States, 79% of unmarried women ages 18-29 are in some kind of romantic relationship at any given time. Only 21% are completely single. So if you approach totally at random, 4 out of 5 of the women you approach are going to be taken.

If you're doing cold approach, part of it is just accepting that 80% of the women I go up to are already off the market. Maybe one day you make 5 approaches and 3 of those girls are single! You bucked the odds that day! Maybe another day you make 8 approaches but only 1 of those girls was single. Odds weren't in your favor that day. It happens.

or it' repeatedly implied that you're not good enough through women's actions when you approach them.

How implied?

Beginners tend to be highly rejection-sensitive, and often prone to taking everything very personal.


Especially the introspective personality types... if you're the type who turns things over and over in your mind, trying to parse what her actions tell you about yourself, you will be prone to drawing all kinds of conclusions based primarily on your imagination rather than any kind of reality.

The truth is you do not know why she rejected you.

If you want to find out, do enough approaching and get to know women deeply and intimately well enough that you can START to understand why women reject you, sometimes... even then you are still going to be wrong about it a whole lot of the time, and not even know you were wrong.

I had girls I approached as a beginner who seemed to rudely snub me early on in the night in nightlife, and I'd leave and not see them again for hours, figuring they weren't remotely interested in me. Hours later I'd run into them again and they'd be so excited to see me, all chatty, we'd hit it off. If it went somewhere with them, at some point I might ask them, "Hey, why'd you change your mind about me? Earlier you seemed to not be interested in me at all. You kinda snubbed me. I figured you just thought I was an oaf, or really ugly, or something!"

And the girl would say something like, "Huh? Oh! Haha! Sorry, I'd been arguing with my friend earlier and when you first talked to me my head was still focused on that. You're not ugly!" etc.

One good rule of thumb: if you're going to try to interpret people's behavior, you'd better have a way of testing your interpretations... or else it's just your imagination running wild, with you (as @MarioTheDom put it) mentally masturbating yourself to conclusions unmoored from reality.


Now if I do approach or manage to get a date, I feel like I have to put on a little act b/c apparently I'm not good enough as I am. So when I'm interacting with them, I'm thinking too much and I'm really anxious trying not to screw it up like I've done so many times. Of course, this is the opposite of attractive behavior.

I suggest learning deep diving:


Take the focus off you and put it onto her.

It'll let you chill out a lot and not worry so much about what you yourself are doing or if you're presenting yourself perfectly or saying the right thing all the time.

When you deep dive, the girl is too busy worrying about how she is coming across to pay as much attention to how you are ;)

Cheers,
Chase
 

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But generally speaking, at least in the United States, 79% of unmarried women ages 18-29 are in some kind of romantic relationship at any given time. Only 21% are completely single. So if you approach totally at random, 4 out of 5 of the women you approach are going to be taken. If you're doing cold approach, part of it is just accepting that 80% of the women I go up to are already off the market. Maybe one day you make 5 approaches and 3 of those girls are single! You bucked the odds that day! Maybe another day you make 8 approaches but only 1 of those girls was single. Odds weren't in your favor that day. It happens.
Worth noting tho, on average, taken girls give out fewer IoIs.
It'll let you chill out a lot and not worry so much about what you yourself are doing or if you're presenting yourself perfectly or saying the right thing all the time.
IME, there are a few girls with particularly high standards and strong frames (e.g. experienced, older, naughty, or both) will still keep their frame. But the other 90+% are definitely like that.
When you deep dive, the girl is too busy worrying about how she is coming across to pay as much attention to how you are ;)
Ohhh that’s what’s going on lolll
How did I not really appreciate that before?
 

killerman

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I want to read up more social psychology to very if this is true or not, but my theory is that straight women don't actually like guys, they just like the characteristics a guy has.

Breaking it down further. You have your appearance ("outer characteristics") and your soul. For simplicity's sake let's say your soul is just a combination of personality traits and morals. If women really just liked a guy, (appearance + soul), then it wouldn't matter if a guy didn't have good game.

With that being the case, how is a beginner to the dating scene supposed to feel like they are good enough when the power dynamic has shifted so much that women are either: already entangled with somebody or it' repeatedly implied that you're not good enough through women's actions when you approach them. Now if I do approach or manage to get a date, I feel like I have to put on a little act b/c apparently I'm not good enough as I am. So when I'm interacting with them, I'm thinking too much and I'm really anxious trying not to screw it up like I've done so many times. Of course, this is the opposite of attractive behavior.

I also graduated college not too long ago and I'm trying to get a job in my field and it's like the same unfair battleground, if not worse.

My whole life, people's actions have implied that I'm not good enough. All just because I'm not aware of some social tricks? Because I have anxiety?
Just focus on being more attractive eg put on as much muscle as possible, get as lean as possible, get some good fashion, get a good hairstyle, work on your voice, eye contact, body language etc etc etc. Work on being as sexy as possible and then you'll get better results with women. That's it.
 

HumanWhoLearns

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How does this mental masturbation help you in your life?

You like actually women (with the goods and the bad) or the youth/beauty/feminine energy they bring.

You see, LIFE IS A COMPETITION, and you will never be able to compete if you don't play to win.
This mentality and energy spent on it simply will not help you.

Yeah true... I'm learning that it's not enough to just want something; when dealing with other people, you have to bring something to the table that the other party wants..
 

HumanWhoLearns

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Thanks Chase for the detailed post. I'll go through it and try to ingrain the lessons.
 
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