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Sticking point; easy getting numbers, but hard getting dates. What to do?

kristian

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Hey folks.

After talking to around 250 + girls from cold approach (mostly daygame), I am finally starting to get some success. I've already had sex with two girls from daygame and my interactions from my approach are fun (thanks to my deep diving abilities) :)

However, I am also having a major sticking point; I have trouble converting the girls enthusiasm into dates. Before I ask you guys for advice, let me tell you the process I usually go through:

1. I am almost always direct in my approach. I give the girl a genuine compliment. Usually this get good reactions from the get-go around 30 % of the time.
2. I deep dive fast. Asking them questions about their life and career. I sometimes look in their eyes and flirt with them with non-verbals (like voice tone, pregnant pauses, thinking about sex with them when we are talking).
3. I tell them as little as possible about myself and always put the conversation back to them. If possible I also try to make shure to move them or get a compliance - like asking them to show me whatever jewelry they are using or moving them to another seat if I am at a coffee house.
4. I always make shure to ask them out on a high note (I never ask though, I just say "we should meet sometime" in the middle of the conversation).
5. After this I talk for a couple of minutes about something else, excuse myself and tell them that I will text them.

And then I text them. Usually a couple of hours after our first meet. The first text are to the point and trying to figure out logistics. This is where I use to fuck up. Half of the time girls respond, but my date-ratio is much lower than that. Im I to fast with the trigger or should I wait a little more before asking them out? I've been using chases method https://www.girlschase.com/content/how-text-girl, but the success hasn't been all that. Could I make my text game even more effective?

Another thing I also not tend to do is chase framing. But I mean, how important is it really? I never use it because It feels awkward saying sexual things in the middle of a conversation. I mean, I am clear about my intentions and I am flirty with my non-verbals. But could my lack of verbal chase-frame be the thing that is stopping from having even more success or do I need to become better at text game?

What do you think guys? Why are girls flirting with me, saying yes to meet me and then... go cold? I know that their state has something to say, but come on! After getting 10 numbers and good interactions I should at least get a couple of dates. Can it be fixed or am I asking for too much? If so, how?
 

Lawliet

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Good to hear that you're also a fan of daygaming kristan and have improved so much!
Did you write FR for those lays? Would love to read it.

As for texting, it sounds like you're good. As long as you follow the structure, and date ask before number grab (mostly), you'll be fine!
As for getting dates, girls flake all the time (talking about bad numbers).
As Ricardus says, "20% of the crop - cream of the crop" are what your results will be.
Even Alek says this happens to him too (Check his flake and numbers article)
So don't get disappointed when you get 20 numbers and only 2 turn out to be dates!
I'm there also as we speak. Girls who seem excited but then not reply at all over text. They touch me, lean in, give me their number quickly, then even ASKS me if I got her number right, and flakes! It sucks that this happens but it does, they're girls after all.
And girls are silly and cute!

Just keep chiselling!

Lawliet
 

kristian

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Thank you for encouraging words and for letting me know that flakes is just a part of the game. I will go out this afternoon after work, and try to daygame 10- 12 girls to see what results I am actually getting.

Looking forward to see what happens :)

Kristian
 

Lawliet

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Cheers buddy! Looking forward to see those LR for your lays!
Lawliet
 

Smith

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Kristian

Always go for an instant date first. Less likely life intervenes and her emotion changes. And you can quickly find out if she's compatible. Instant date can be 20-30 mins to a few hours where you take her home.

Make sure you qualify her during the interaction. Appreciate what you like about her and tell her why you would like to see her again. If you just have a normal-ish conversation and exchange number, often some girls won't actually know why you want to meet up with her again.

Good luck man! I think this little tweak should help you a lot as it definitely did for me.
 

kristian

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Smith

I've tried going for instant dates about 10 - 12 times, but even with their enthusiasm that offer has been turned down every time due to time constraints (it could also just be their way of kindly rejecting me). And I live in a pretty crammed apartment with a lot of people. I am looking for my own place though and will move out soon, making instant dates easier to apply.

I also stopped asking for instant dates after reading this article https://www.girlschase.com/content/why-she-doesnt-need-instant-date. I will eventually try it out, but it does depend on how her time schedule for that day is, because I always try to go for first date sex.

What are your experiences with instant dates? Do you do them often?
 
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killerman

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Hey Kristian, I like your strategy in getting dates. Everything you're doing seems fine to me. However if I could give you advice to change one thing, after a couple of minutes in the interaction or when you feel it's going good, say "we should go out for a drink/coffee sometime" then after they say yes whip out your phone and ask them for their number. That's it. Sent initial text 3-5 hours after initial meet then text them again the next day and after 2 or 3 rapport building texts text to setup the date. Going back to asking them for the date in the interaction you don't even need to talk to them for that long. Many of my lays/dates I got after only talking to the girl for 1-3 minutes. In fact, it's usually the best,longest interactions that go nowhere lol
 

Reave Krieger

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Kristian,

Might be that you look for reactions rather than for results. The girls are all flirty and that can lead to you believing they are interested in more than just flirting - but they aren't. I can imagine that girls will feel like they don't want to hurt you or don't have the courage to say "NO" in person so they give your their number but then - once you're gone - they can easily ignore you without the pressure of you looking in their eyes. Just a thought though :)

Your question about the importance of chase framing hasn't been answered yet. I have no answer to that but the same question because I don't use chase frames yet either...

Can anybody help?
 
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