Sticking Point: Routine that works with pretty girls not working with The Dimes?

[BlackBolt]

I really need help with a frustrating sticking point I'm at right now. My fundamentals are pretty solid as far as I know. Very fit muscular build, fashion consists of form fitting tees and button ups, nice fitting jeans, boots, extroverted personality, great conversationalist, warm person, and senior in college this year and over the past few years I've had many lays, dates, etc. so I don't think fundamentals is too much of a problem. However, this year I've really been focused on banging and possibly dating some really high quality girls, the very beautiful/smart ones. The thing is I met three breathtaking girls this week and ran into the SAME EXACT PROBLEM which is that they respond to my ice breaker text but not to the follow up text the next day (the text that is supposed to set up a date). It's so frustrating and I'd really like some help cause these girls are gorgeous.

First Girl
This was Monday. I was walking from the CVS on campus and walking across the street when I noticed this beautiful Mexican girl in front of me walking the opposite direction. She had headphones on and was looking straight ahead. She passes me and I continue walking thinking to myself how beautiful she is. Then I stop turn around and decide to approach her. By this time she's about ten paces ahead of me so I kind of jog up to her and touch her on her elbow. She quickly turns around and I smile, she removes her headphones and I do my typical day game direct approach style. "Hey you look really nice... blah, blah, some getting to know her questions, little bit of deep dive.... blah blah". Now all throughout this conversation she's really warm and responsive but we're both kind of rushed, she was heading to CVS to get a drink before class, and I was on my way to the library to study. So the conversation is no longer than 5 minutes, I propose that we get together for coffee sometime when we're both not too busy, she agrees, I get her number, tell her I'll text her later, then we part ways.
2 hours later text: Hey it was nice meeting you today- My name
3 hours after that: Nice meeting you too!
Next day: Hey, we should get together for some coffee sometime this week, what's your schedule like?
and no response since Tues

Second Girl
This was on Tuesday. Sitting in a deli waiting for my chicken salad when a beautiful girl with a gorgeous smile walks in with her friend. They order their frozen yogurt and start walking past me. Me and the girl made eye contact and smiled at each other so I gestured her over to me with a hey. I then continued with the normal direct approach, "You have a beautful smile... blah blah... she tells me she wants to be a dentist... blah blah.... within 5 minutes I number close same scenario as the first girl pretty much. Texting format was pretty much the same, responded to the first text the ghost after the next one that was the coffee proposal.

Third Girl
The prettiest girl of the week and one of the hottest girls I ever seen on campus and I go to a big school. This was Thursday. I was in a building on the way to my philosophy class and I noticed her sitting down on her phone. Long curly hair, my favorite! So I go up to her say "Hi" she looks up then I proceed with normal direct approach... "I love your hair blah blah...she tells me she's from the islands.... half Puerto Rican half Trinidadian... wants to be a cosmetic surgeon... so I talk with her and it's pretty much the same thing as the first two girls except we both agree that Sundays are our most free days and we should probably meet up then.
First text: Hey it was nice meeting you
5 mins later: It was nice meeting you as well
Next day: Hey __, how'd that philosophy class go? Mine was so long =\ There's this amazing cafe, they have the most mind-blowing crepes in the world. What time works best for you on Sunday?

So that all happened this week. If these were just pretty girls I'd be fine just nexting them, plus in my experiences, the tactics that I did before almost always works on the pretty and average girls if they responded to my first text. I'd really like to get these dimes out but I have no experience with persistence since I'd just next girls in the past. Any advice on what I might be doing wrong and how to get these girls would be amazing!

 

[Troy]

Re: Sticking Point: Routine that works with pretty girls not working with The Di

BlackBolt,

First thing I noticed was ALL 3 interactions lasted around 5 minutes. That's a really short conversation imo. You aren't doing bad with the texting imo. I think the main problem here is the conversations are too short . I'm talking from experience. When I'd approach, talk, ask for the date, and number close very quick ( under 5 minutes) I got very little replies to texts. When I spent over 10 minutes getting to know girls, I got more of them replying and coming on dates. Seek to SPEND MORE time when you cold approach.

If the girls don't know much about you they are less likely to reply ( unless you are extremely sharp and made a POWERFUL impression in that 5 minutes.

Edit : Yeah I get that something else was more convenient at the time. As for phone calls, yes I have lots of experience there. I spent a majority of my time on weekend nights talking to 3 or 4 girls a night just to get over that anxiety I feel during calls.

I learnt a lot. Read these articles :

Tactics Tuesday's : Making the First Phone Call

Phone Secrets Part 2

I used Chase's technique to tell a story at the beginning of the call. Then I asked about the girls day, and when she told me I commented on it. I keep calls fun and flirty. Use chase frames ( I don't know about sexual frames. I never had success with that. ) Basically keep the conversation like :

Story ( at beginning)

Ask about her day

Comment

Give a joke

Deep dive

Keep it playful

If the conversation is too serious girls will want to hang up. I'm not saying make the call all fun, just balance it. Relate on common topics. Girls will more readily agree to the date. If you want, then set up the date right then ( on a high point ).

Ultimately, just relax, you say your funadamentals are good ( all you need is a good voice and decent conversation skills) and you have it already. Take a deep breath and just make the call


Troy

 

[BlackBolt]

Re: Sticking Point: Routine that works with pretty girls not working with The Di

Yeah I get what you're saying. It was just the times when I met them weren't convenient for staying with them for too long (or maybe that's just an excuse lol). Yeah I probably could have walked with the first girl in CVS and talked for a few extra minutes, I probably could have got more investment from the second girl by having her sit down with me for a little bit and probably at least saying hi to the friend, and I probably could have been a little late for class (talking to a girl that beautiful and solidifying a better bond would've been worth it). You live you learn =\... With these girls I think I'm just going to call 2 out of the 3 on Sunday, call the other one on Monday, and do that text/call split thing Chase talked about even though I haven't talked on the phone to a girl since high school. But these girls are dimes and I'd like to see them again/fuck them so I guess I'm just going to have to bite the bullet. You got any experience with calling girls to build a better bond after a quick approach?

 

[ProblemSolving]

Re: Sticking Point: Routine that works with pretty girls not working with The Di

BlackBolt,

Welcome to the reality of trying to meet and hopefully lay complete strangers - there will be flakes! It's the nature of the business, so get used to it. One thing I would change in your process is how you pitch the meet up. The next day after your iceibreaker, ping them first, before asking for the meet up.

"What's up Krystin?"

It's super low investment and it's easy to respond to. If she doesn't reply, she was never interested. If she does reply:

"Not much, hbu?"

"I'm just about to head to the gym. Hey would you like to grab drinks or hot chocolate sometime this week?"

"Sure, hot chocolate would be nice".

And you take it from there. The only way to truly minimize flakes is to screen them harder before getting their number. You can do that by asking if they are single and by planning the day and time of the meet up in person. This way you screen out the majority of the flakey chicks before getting the number.

 

[BlackBolt]

Re: Sticking Point: Routine that works with pretty girls not working with The Di

And you take it from there. The only way to truly minimize flakes is to screen them harder before getting their number. You can do that by asking if they are single and by planning the day and time of the meet up in person. This way you screen out the majority of the flakey chicks before getting the number.

When I spent over 10 minutes getting to know girls, I got more of them replying and coming on dates. Seek to SPEND MORE time when you cold approach.

Combining these seems to be the best bet for future interactions,thanks guys!

Welcome to the reality of trying to meet and hopefully lay complete strangers - there will be flakes! It's the nature of the business, so get used to it.

Also, I know Troy has experience with calling the girls. How about you ProblemSolving? Would you go for the text/call split in my situation? If so how would you go about the phone call?

 

[ProblemSolving]

Re: Sticking Point: Routine that works with pretty girls not working with The Di

BlackBolt,

You have a lot more control of the situation when you talk on the phone with the girl. You can feel when she is comfortable talking to you by the tone of voice and how much she's contributing. At this point pitch the meet up and your odds of success will be high.

Texting you have very little control. You can't tell if she's genuinely busy, interested by not super comfortable, or not interested.

Here's what I do:

"What's up Karli?"

When she texts me back, I immediately text:

"Hey, I'm gonna call you in 7 minutes".

I call and then we talk for a bit. When I feel like she's warm, I pitch the meet up.