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Drck

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Stop! You are disgusting!

Ok, not you, I have nothing against you personally. Rather it is your behavior, your nicenessness, your BETA-ism. Your supplication, your submission, your "understanding" and child-ness, your overall surrender of your manliness.

But it is not all your fault. I'm sitting in a restaurant and watching a group of females, observing how they behave towards this child, this little boy. Kissing, hugging, pre-chewing his meal. "Oh, he just pooped in his pants, how cute". Another kiss. "No, you can't do that!" and "Bad boy!" a minute later. "No, no, no! Be a good boy!" when he tries to reach for a spoon. Then some elderly guy makes a fool of himself, he pretends to be a monkey, to make the boy laughing. Wise man, good example, fucking monkey and clown. I'm looking at his father, I know that he spends lots of his free time in a kitchen, cooking and baking for own pleasure. Hobbies? He has no other hobbies. He doesn't lift weight, doesn't practice martial art, doesn't even pretend that he can became familiar with some weapon to protect himself. He is a lawyer, exercising his law knowledge at work and at home as well, perhaps just wanting to hide his own anxiety from this World by representing law, power, and spreading justice and equality everywhere he goes. How nice, how fucking nice. This guy is afraid of guns, never spent a minute in fitness; Now he is feeding his little boy with pizza because he might be allergic to vegetables or other healthy food ...

I mean really? How is this little boy supposed to even know what is it to be a Man? He can't, it is impossible. He has no dad who can teach him how to kill an animal BEFORE he can cook it. All he will know is how to drink sodas overloaded with sugar and how to bake cakes, because that has became “normal” in this society. Those females are raising him so he fits in their twisted picture of this World - feminine, meak and weak, nice and obeying guy. Provider, servant. He is being raised like a fucking puppy, if I wanted to have nice, cute and innocent puppy that is exactly how I would treat it. Make no mistake, he will also be a fatty, just like his parents. And he is already being thought how to nicely communicate with women, how to obey their wishes, how to serve them, admire them - just so they can later on wipe floor with him without any difficulties. Floormat, useless and silly-supplicating man, just like the other providers. He will even try to understand them, he'll try to decipher their minds. It will only take him years to realize that this is an impossible task. There is nothing to understand, there is simply no logic to grab on, all the nicenessness and politeness it is just brainwashing.

And if his natural energy is not suppressed enough, if he remains hyperactive and aggressive by for example saying inappropriate stuff at school or breaking a window, or god forbid to try to fight one of his peers - he will be punished, he will be labeled with ADHD or other mental diseases. He will be given medications, just so he can also be normal. Normal, like the rest of us.

I'm so fucking tired of this nicenessness, BETA-ism, weakness, supplications... I'm tired of servants, of fucking Beta-slave helper-provider who jump at every woman's request and who willingly justifies her flaking and silliness. I'm tired of guys who analyze women's mind just to get closer to her pussy. I’m so tired of just reading titles on this forum; it all smells with BETA-ism. This is not normal, it is not natural, but I see it everywhere I go. I see it here, I see it at work, in a restaurant, I saw it in Las Vegas. It is disgusting. We are not fucking puppies, we are not fucking toys, we are not fucking little innocent boys - we are fucking men!

Just think about it, our men-ancestors went hunting into the wilderness every other day, they killed dangerous predators while risking their own lives. And many of them died. Men did it, not females, females were unable to do that. If they were nice, supplicating, insecure and unsure - they died in such environment for sure, perhaps they didn't even deserve anything else than to die. Mother Nature is cruel. And those who survived came home, with lots of food to feed those women and children. They also fed those who were unable to fight, they didn't need any laws or smart-fat-assess to tell them what is right and wrong. Do you think they needed to learn some deep and meaningful conversations with females? Some openers for conversations? Did they need to be careful about what to say and how? Worry about whether she pretends that she is insulted? Perhaps they needed seduction skills to fuck females? Fuck no. They ate, they fucked, and went to sleep - not giving a crap about anything else. They let pussies worry about this stuff. If one pussy wasn’t available, they simply grabbed another one.

OK, no longer we have to hunt animals to survive. But we don't have to be weak, supplicating and begging creatures either. We don't need to worry about what females want or how to satisfy them. We don’t have to worry about conversational skills because all females are narcissistic anyway. They simply don’t care about a single word you have to say about you, they only care about themselves, their World. The more you tell them about you the more BETA you are perceived anyway. The truth is simple - they could care less about you, unless you put your dick in her the same day you meet her. Even then you can’t be sure about her feelings towards you. All you have to worry is how to regain our natural manly state back, and how to keep it. Their minds, their World is not to be admired nor understood - it is to be seen the way it is: silly, twisted, selfish and illogical.

You need to realize what Alfa is, and what is Beta. You need to realize that worrying about what females want, how to understand them, how to deal with them is all weak and unproductive BETA crap. You need to understand that she is manipulating you with her emotions, love and twisted thinking. Know, don't try to understand but know that she is much smarter than your simple brain, she knows you can never understand those mind twists of hers and emotional bursts. She knows herself that they don't make any sense! But that is how she manipulates you to be or to became her reliable servant-provider. But wait, why is she doing that? Is she bad? She is not bad. Not at all. She simply does it because she is unable to provide for herself, she needs a man to do that for her, it is much easier for her to get a man than to do it herself. She can't hunt on her own, she needs a man. She needs you - and not the other way!

So if you want to get close to Alfa as possible, you are only wasting your time on studying Beta stuff. You need to become disgusted with anything that smells with BETA, and just avoid BETA like a disease. Your biggest attraction to any female is your physical presence. There is nothing else, no PUA/seduction and no other skills are needed. You simply need to get close to her, start touching her, overcome her nonsense, then jizz on her tits and in her mouth – and just leave. Leave her forever without regrets, not carrying whether she is sweat, educated, hot or average, good or bad girl. Don't give a crap whether she loves you. Just find another one to have fun with. If she is “not ready”, if she is giving you a hard time – you must leave her too and seek another one. She’s not worth it, she either doesn’t want to fuck at all or she is looking for long term provider. Screw that, it is sick Beta-ism, it is sick-ism.

Unfortunately, you will often time feel like you are alone, you will feel as if you were against the whole world, because the absolute majority of the World is Beta. But that is that is the fate of Alfa, there is always only one Alfa with tens of Betas around. Only some of the Betas are smart enough to realize that faking Alfa can give them access to pussies, but they are not real Alfas either. They only pretend to be one. They fake to be Alfas but in their hearts they remain insecure and clinging providers. They still need woman to cling on to, they need cuddly mama to make them feel better.

And you might get pissed at women during your transition from Beta to Alfa, but know that it is not really females fault. Women are just women, you can't take them seriously. They are just for fun, they are to be loved and they are to be fucked. You can’t hang around them for too long; you can’t really understand them, and the more you try the bigger BETA-servant you will be seen in their eyes. You’ll end up as “Just a friend zone” (Translated from their language to: useless and annoying Beta-male, fucking provider who has no respect for himself). Or like me, you can also get pissed at yourself - at your own BETA-ism, weakness, supplication... At the way you were raised. Is it really your fault? Honestly I have no idea, we were simply raised like that, we were raised like silly little puppies to serve females. The fault begins when we get used to it, when we submit ourselves to female's tricks, when we became comfortable in serving females, when we start jumping around them like cute little puppies. Not only that, we learn to justify it, we want them to be more equal, to be nice-just-and-equal. Equal to us, real hunters. Well, fuck that!

So, should you at least have the carriage to listen, just listen then - Be a fucking Man! Being a Man, Man and not the Pussy you were raised, that is your true natural state.
 

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Well... First thing: unless you wished to write "alfalfa", it's "alpha".
I understand your rant, to an extent, but it seems to me you take some things much too seriously. Those people fooling around with their baby boy, is that such a problem that you have to spend the effort and write a 2000-word article about it? And what's the deal about that lawyer not lifting weight, not doing karate and not liking guns? After all, weightlifting is boring, there are more intelligent ways to spend your time than karate, and only a closet homosexual likes guns. I don't think "alpha" means being antisocial, rejecting education and culture. And certainly, bitterness and confrontation isn't very alpha (which is a stupid, overused word). I see people all the time who act immature, supplicate, kiss up to other people (not only to women), but it's their problem, I've got enough problems on my own.
 

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Drck said:
You need to realize what Alfa is

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Pato

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Drck,

While you do have some valid points here and there, I'm going to agree with flowerpower on this one, although I do enjoy weightlifting and martial arts, and do not believe that only closet homosexuals like guns (lol). You definitely took this post to the extreme, and did not hold back any punches.

I feel like you went way too overboard, and are obsessing over how to be Alpha and not Beta. Reminds me a bit of Chase's article on this topic, and how he said that some guys go around yelling "ALPHA!!!!" and think they are Alpha, even though they are just fakes. Just saying that you want to be Alpha and are going to act Alpha and you are Alpha, does not just make you an Alpha. I'd highly reading Chase's post, as I feel that you could definitely get a lot from it. How to Be an How to Be an Alpha Male -- Without Becoming a Stereotype

Anyways, I feel like you are being way too harsh towards women and are judging them unfairly. You're generalizing all women, and while some may be manipulative and controlling, not all women are. I also feel like you are using women just for sex, and then tossing them aside afterwards, not caring about how they feel or are affected by your actions. That's not cool, and it could cause a lot of emotional damage to women. We as seducers have more power than your Betas or average males. And with great power, comes great responsibility. An alpha male should be a genuine man, not a complete asshole nor a "nice guy". I'm not saying that you can't have multiple relationships or one night stands or anything like that (I highly support it if that is what both you and the girl want or accept), but you can't treat a woman like that.

And I hate to burst your bubble, but we don't live in the Stone Age. So using our ancestors from that long ago as examples for how we should and need to act in order to be Alpha and be good with women, won't really work. I take it you are the guy that does not and will never want anything meaningful with a girl, which is fine, but many of us do want to have good relationships with women. So the strategy of eat, fuck, and sleep won't work.

Thanks for posting though, definitely made me think about some things and was a good mental challenge for my beginner-level seduction brain.

-Pato
 

Drck

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flowerpower said:
Well... First thing: unless you wished to write "alfalfa", it's "alpha".
I understand your rant, to an extent, but it seems to me you take some things much too seriously. Those people fooling around with their baby boy, is that such a problem that you have to spend the effort and write a 2000-word article about it? And what's the deal about that lawyer not lifting weight, not doing karate and not liking guns? After all, weightlifting is boring, there are more intelligent ways to spend your time than karate, and only a closet homosexual likes guns. I don't think "alpha" means being antisocial, rejecting education and culture. And certainly, bitterness and confrontation isn't very alpha (which is a stupid, overused word). I see people all the time who act immature, supplicate, kiss up to other people (not only to women), but it's their problem, I've got enough problems on my own.

Ok, I'm not a writer, sometimes I let my emotions to carry on. True, I could have done much better, but again, who really cares. But I am not bitter either, I don't necessary "love" women and I do like many of them. A lot. I even smile a lot, and if you knew me personally you could easily call me a nice guy. I don't reject education at all, I spent in school many more years than most of you guys here, not even mentioning the $$$ spent on education. Alfa (ok, accept my beta apology: alpha) is overrated, agreed. But there is much bigger underlying problem here. Perhaps word feminism would describe that problem, but that one is also connected with "hate" against women. Again, there is no hate, there is no bitterness, there is nothing antisocial. So, I don't know how else to describe the problem.

Man is not man anymore, today's man behaves in a childish way in many aspects. We were raised like that, it became norm. We men (overall) are weak, we let women manipulate our lives, they have too much power over us. It's not because they are powerful, it is because we give them the power voluntarily. It is us who supplicate to them, it is us who worry how to get closer to them. IMO it should be the other way. The need us, not the other way...

Karate, weight lifting and so on are manly things that man should do. Not for me, not for anyone else, do it just for yourself. If nothing else, these increase testosterone levels in males, and testosterone is simply what makes us men. These things also naturally increase personal confidence, you learn to trust yourself more, you rely on yourself. Pushing pencils on the paper doesn't increase testosterone level the same way as 250 pounds of weight on your back while squatting or benching. Standing and fighting against another man in a ring has different effect on your psyche than discussing new law while comfortably sipping sweet soda. You simply do manly things to be a man. There is nothing else to it, it is not a science, and last time I checked - women still want men. They desire men. They don't want pussies. Many men-pussies are being screwed by the system today, they are hurt, they have to pay and suffer, they become depressed and alcoholics because their dream about having sweet and functioning family was crushed. It is all maybe just because they are too nice, they can't say NO to women, or they can't walk away from her while the have the choice to do so...

So, maybe I'm not trying to hate anyone. Not you, not women, and not myself. Maybe I'm just trying to get you pissed. Not at me, not at women, and not at yourself - but rather at things that are taking away our manliness, that make us weak...

Anyhow, no matter what and how you read, I am WITH females, not against them. And no matter what and how you read, I am WITH you buddy, not against you...
 

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Pato said:
Drck,

While you do have some valid points here and there, I'm going to agree with flowerpower on this one, although I do enjoy weightlifting and martial arts, and do not believe that only closet homosexuals like guns (lol). You definitely took this post to the extreme, and did not hold back any punches.

I feel like you went way too overboard, and are obsessing over how to be Alpha and not Beta. Reminds me a bit of Chase's article on this topic, and how he said that some guys go around yelling "ALPHA!!!!" and think they are Alpha, even though they are just fakes. Just saying that you want to be Alpha and are going to act Alpha and you are Alpha, does not just make you an Alpha. I'd highly reading Chase's post, as I feel that you could definitely get a lot from it. How to Be an How to Be an Alpha Male -- Without Becoming a Stereotype


-Pato

I actually kind of agree. As a matter of fact, I don't like much "alpha" myself, it makes it seem that that person is better than anyone else. Which is not true, Alpha belongs to the past.

But it is that BETA-ism that makes us men overall weak. It needs to be recognized, described and eliminated. I'm just trying to simplify things by pointing at things such as men being providers-servers, woman's narcissism (do you really think that she really wants to get to know lots of things about you?), the way we are raised, the way we "men" behave...

Think about it, she is by default manipulative - she says one thing and does another, she makes you feel good one day and the second she turns totally cold. She doesn't return your messages and so on. Most men get confused, they start thinking and analyzing what is it that she wants. She lets him wait weeks, months... And the more the man thinks about it the more he fall in love - just to hear that she wants to be a friend...

You are a provider, you buy her things, you pay for her meals, you pay for the house. You bring her flowers, write poems. You shop and run around making her happy, you cook for her. If you get divorced, the house will be hers, not yours. You only pay and pay, you only provide, and than you pay more.

Then she meets someone more exciting than you. Guy who doesn't fall for her nonsense, guy who is not confused by her manipulation. Guy who doesn't give a crap about her, guy who does absolutely nothing for her. We can call him Alpha, but whatever. She is very close to let him fuck the brains out of her the same day she meets him, and many times she really let him do it - behind provider's back. Because, because he is just so different than you and than the other providers....

Let me ask you something - do you see anything rational or logical in her behavior? Is the provider, knowing what he knows now, rational himself by keeping providing for her? Fuck no, he seems to be only a fool by providing to her.

You can get pissed, get pissed at me, at yourself, at her or the whole world, but you can hardly argue that what I'm saying isn't true...

You should get pissed, very pissed. Not at me or her, but at your providing skills...
 

Pato

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You are a provider, you buy her things, you pay for her meals, you pay for the house. You bring her flowers, write poems. You shop and run around making her happy, you cook for her. If you get divorced, the house will be hers, not yours. You only pay and pay, you only provide, and than you pay more.

Then she meets someone more exciting than you. Guy who doesn't fall for her nonsense, guy who is not confused by her manipulation. Guy who doesn't give a crap about her, guy who does absolutely nothing for her. We can call him Alpha, but whatever. She is very close to let him fuck the brains out of her the same day she meets him, and many times she really let him do it - behind provider's back. Because, because he is just so different than you and than the other providers....

I completely agree with you saying that a man should not be a provider. You're very right on that point, as it is certainly not the best way to go about things. Being a provider doesn't allow you to escalate with enough speed and cement the image of you as a strong, sexy, and dominant man. And yes, the majority of men do supplicate to women and their needs/demands, which is of course a bad habit for men to get into. Supplicating will cause a women's interest and your attractiveness to fall immensely, as she will see you as needy, weak, and submissive. Whereas if you are a lover, your attractiveness will be much higher and she will not be nearly as likely to attempt to boyfriend-zone or friend-zone you, and she will be much more receptive to your advances.

This is all common sense to us on these boards and as a part of GC. We all know that being a lover is much better than being a provider. That's why this site puts so much emphasis on fundamentals and things like that, which will make you more sexy and attractive and will allow you to move more swiftly into bedding her. But I think where you went wrong in your original post was kind of saying that men should not care about women at all. That was sort of the impression I got from reading it over the first time, that you believed that men had to be assholes to be successful with women and shouldn't care about them. And that isn't true at all. Obviously you don't want to be a "nice guy" and you don't want to be in the provider or friend role, but that doesn't mean you need to be a jerk. Men need to strive to be genuine, in the middle of the spectrum of nice guy and asshole. So men have to learn to stop being such push-overs around women, but they don't have to use them and hurt them emotionally. It's going to seem like being an asshole is a really good way to be around girls, because compared to being a "nice guy"/Beta/provider, it IS better. But if you can be a genuine man, you seem like a much better and more attractive man to women.

You can get pissed, get pissed at me, at yourself, at her or the whole world, but you can hardly argue that what I'm saying isn't true...

You should get pissed, very pissed. Not at me or her, but at your providing skills...

I'm not pissed at all that girls act this way, or at you for bring this discussion up. Whether or not it is really fair to men is up for discussion, but I don't think it is something to get so mad at. In my view, it is kind of like this: women act this way, and we can either sit and whine and complain about it, or we can learn to become better and more attractive men from it. In fact, because everyone at GC is in the vast minority of guys who understand these types of concepts, we are at huge advantage over your average guy. While they take time and money to wine and dine girls, we can move quickly in our seductions and relationships. So maybe the fact that women do act this way, is now an advantage to us men that "get it".
 

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All that bs about "manly things a man should do": well, maybe if Rambo is your ideal of an alpha male... Not mine however. And if you're in such dire need for testosterone, I'm sure you can find supplements.

What makes you say women need men? Because they don't. Today with the progress of science they could even procreate without us. In other words we're useless, weren't it for the fact that our society is still rather patriarchal, despite what some "alpha" guys say, and that girls do want a man.

I could talk to you about women in Antiquity, how Judeo-Christianism changed things, etc. but what's the point? That whole shtick about there being alpha icons like Gary Cooper in the past as opposed to Zac Efron now is mostly garbage. If you want to know why I think so, feel free to ask me and I'll explain.

To keep things short, you sound as if you felt threatened by girls. As much as I hate the current form of feminism (spread mostly by fat, ugly girls in search of a cause to defend), I reject your assertion that girls are manipulative, dishonest, and so on, and that "men were men" before and aren't anymore. Most men were always pussies and always will be.

Try loving women, or rather, loving Woman. It's much better, and much more "alpha".
 

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Drck,

RELAX LAR BROTHER! :)

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flowerpower said:
All that bs about "manly things a man should do": well, maybe if Rambo is your ideal of an alpha male... Not mine however. And if you're in such dire need for testosterone, I'm sure you can find supplements.

No sir, Rambo is not my ideal. But there was a man, called Ivan. He was living hapilly with his family in wilderness. One of these nice days Ivan got hungry, and thus he decided to go to hunt. To make the long story short, after several days of chasing, he was able to capture a dear only with his bare hands. The fight was long and exhausting, yet Ivan would never give up. The dear was simply overwhelmed with Ivan's fists. After his victory, he put the dear on his back and ran back to his home to feed his wifey. Let me remind you, the dear was some 250 pounds of flesh and bones, and Ivan, with only several little breaks, ran good 7 miles in the snow. This happened in Siberia, some 100,000 years ago. Exhausted, he was still able to fuck his wife, jizz on her tits and only then he went to sleep.

And then Ivan and his wife lived hapilly forever, she loved him for his physical strenght, ability to survive and dedication to provide for her. She needed that. She loved him with such intensive love that most of us today can only dream about such love. That is A version for boys. B version for men is that Ivan was eaten by a bear the very second day, while his lovely wifey was fucking his best friend(s), and Ivan was considered to be just plain average in his physique at that time.

So as you can see, Rambo with his half retaded face, inability to have decent conversation and show off stupid muscles could never be even close to what Ivan was able to acomplish on regular bases. Those were good old days.

But the real question is, did Ivan and Rambo need testosterone suplements? They didn't, because they were men. Rambo was only a half man of Ivan, perhaps maybe only a quarter, but still a man. Only today's boys who are lazy, weak and meak always find excuses why not to do manly things. True, manly things hurt, are boring and exhausting, but that is why only men can do them. Not boys, boys don't feel comfortable enough and thus avoid those things. They think testosterone suplements will fix their laziness. These boys can't even lift so much weight. If you don't believe me, take some testosterone suplements, as much as you want, go to fitness, load 250 pounds on a barbell, put it on your shoulders and see how far you can run with it around the fitness. Not very far, the weight would most likely crushed your girly spine, you would fall on your soft face, and your friends would be only laughing at your childish attempts to be a real man.

Don't be so serious bro, life is too short. Ivan would laughed at all of us... ;-)
 

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Drck said:
Don't be so serious bro, life is too short.
Exactly. Ponder that thought.

I suggest you read some books, listen to some real music, refine your taste and judgment in arts and life, and try to become a man, instead of a caricature. Your caveman fantasy won't get you very far, I'm afraid, and Delta and Devgru aren't interested in tales like that. Take care, and happy holidays to all of you.
 

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Drk my man,
being a man and holding your own in this world does not follow one simple cookie cutter path. Shoot guns, lift weights ect ect...No, it doesn't work that way. What is right for one man is not for another. What is truly important is understanding yourself, and being solid and centered in who you are. Have such a strong center and the forces of the world can not sway you from your path, from who you truly are. I have known hippy dippy peace and love vegans who would never even kill an ant. They were kind and caring, and they got tons of ass. Bottom line they were confident in who they were. They didn't have to prove to the world they were a man. They just were, and that was that.

I huge part of being a man is how you opporate within a group. Integrity, honesty, vision, confidence. These are just a few qualities people gravitate towards. Any piece of shit lying scum bag can lift some weights and go kill a lion if he really wanted to, but that doesn't mean he is a solid person that others look to as a strong indivual. How much can you actualy connect with people and be there for them. How able are you to do the right thing even when it means personal sacrifice, or maybe even losing face with some lesser individuals. These are things that make a top quality man. Just because you can lift a lot of weight doesn't mean you don't have a lazy and weak spirit. Cowardice, a lack of consideration for others, rigitity in ones view of them selves or the world. These are signs of weakness as well. Consider different members of this primal tribe you speak of. What about the Medicine Man. He probably was not as strong as other members of the tribe. In fact many Medicine were very sick when they were young and that is what lead them to medicine. Sure they probably helped with hunts in some form or another, maybe even just in the preparation, but they were more valued for their healing capabilities. Or how about the master storyteller. He was an artisan, he was valued for his creative vision which would bring the people together, lighten their spirits, give them hope and courage to persevere. The flip side of this of course is that while different people are valued for different reasons, different people lose value for different reasons. While one man may be physicaly stunted another may be so emotionaly. We all have our shortcomings, but it is those of us who find our own personal gifts and bring them to the world, that are lifted into something higher.

Also, personaly I love woman and I think they are no more or less manipulative than men.

It is also dangerous to live your life soly for the sake of being the "Bigger man" who gets all the pussy and happily jizzes on his wifes tits like Ivan. Do things simply because you enjoy them. There is more to life than pussy.

Also, if I was lifting weights and my spine got crushed and I feel on my face, I don't think my friends would be laughing at . You know why? because they care about my well being. They would probably check if I was alright. Maybe we would have a laugh later, but I don't surround my self with people who laugh at me when I am in a precarious position. I have friends that rally together and help eachother out.

No need to get so carried away . Be strong in who you are. Lead by example. Enjoy life and leave the rest of the world to its own devices.
 

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Read the Return of Kings blog. They have the exact same mindset as you do which is not bad really just a little hit or miss with certain topics. I read it and like some of their articles because they make you think.
 

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This is actually a good topic here, so I'll weigh in a bit.

Do you think they needed to learn some deep and meaningful conversations with females? Some openers for conversations? Did they need to be careful about what to say and how? Worry about whether she pretends that she is insulted? Perhaps they needed seduction skills to fuck females? Fuck no. They ate, they fucked, and went to sleep - not giving a crap about anything else. They let pussies worry about this stuff. If one pussy wasn’t available, they simply grabbed another one.

A lot of this is true. A lot of what really made us "men" has vanished with changes in society and the way we've transformed society as humans. Deep down, women still crave this "animal" passion, but it is because of society's pressure to have women be "good girls" in the face of men for their own value's sake that has them playing games, being "manipulative," and playing games that most men who haven't come to understand women hate to play.

Which brings me to my next point...

We don't need to worry about what females want or how to satisfy them. We don’t have to worry about conversational skills because all females are narcissistic anyway. They simply don’t care about a single word you have to say about you, they only care about themselves, their World. The more you tell them about you the more BETA you are perceived anyway. The truth is simple - they could care less about you, unless you put your dick in her the same day you meet her. Even then you can’t be sure about her feelings towards you. All you have to worry is how to regain our natural manly state back, and how to keep it. Their minds, their World is not to be admired nor understood - it is to be seen the way it is: silly, twisted, selfish and illogical.

What separates the true "alpha" males today from the men who run around screaming, "I'M APLHA!" (such as our favorite New Jersey fellow in the "My New Haircut" video linked by Thedoctor) is the fact that real, genuine alphas DO take the time to understand women. They understand why they spend hours putting make-up on; they understand why they spend hours at the gym each week; they understand why they play the games they do with men; they understand why they might have to deal with that "last 5%" before closing the deal; they understand why women's emotions do matter, and they understand how to take of these emotions so that women get all the positive effects of being with a genuine man while completely minimizing the negative.

There's nothing really illogical about the way women act when you truly understand them. They simply desire a strong man who will take care of them because it is what they need, and it is what they've always needed. The hours spent making themselves look beautiful? This is them hoping that MAYBE if they spent a little more time at the gym or in front of the mirror doing their make-up that they'll finally meet attract a man like they see in the movies -- a REAL man that will move things forward when she gives him the signals that are clearly there when you understand women, and a REAL man that will fulfill the role of "provider" when the time comes to establish a committed relationship. The hours spent "playing games" with men? The games are there to protect herself and to protect her reputation so that genuine men will still perceive her as "valuable." As a matter of fact, it is some of these "alpha" males that Drck speaks of who don't give a shit about women's feelings that trod all over them, making promises they can't keep so that the women keep coming back, and eventually leave them hanging dry without an explanation; in turn, this is what causes these women to develop "self-defense" mechanisms to protect not only their emotions but their social status as well. The games and the tests are there to try to find out as much about you as they can before they hand over their heart to you on a silver platter. Or, they can also be there to be absolutely sure that if they hand over their pussies to you on a silver platter that you won't destroy their hearts along with it.

What I do advocate to newer members here is that you push your boundaries as a man and go "overboard" rather than under when it comes to getting what you want. Chase has mentioned it multiple times in multiple articles: you need to practice being more of a jerk in order to make progress with women; once you get a grasp on pushing past women's barriers, you can calibrate your actions back down to protect women's feelings without running slipshod all over them. But until you learn how to not supplicate for women's needs and push past shit tests and boundaries, you will continue to be the "beta" male here that Drck talks about. Drck inherently understands that there are lots of "weak" men out there, and that's the first step to changing who you are so that you can become what women want. But there is another big, second step that occurs once you learn how to get what you want: it's learning how to give what women what they want as well.

So, should you at least have the carriage to listen, just listen then - Be a fucking Man! Being a Man, Man and not the Pussy you were raised, that is your true natural state.

So one of Drck's main points is: when you start to get those "supplicating" thoughts about "buying flowers" or "gifts" for women before you've been sexual with them, slap yourself in the face and remind yourself that it's not really what she wants. She wants a man who is going to move things toward sex quickly while addressing all of her concerns and giving her the experience she truly desires.

Hope this clarifies things!

- Franco
 

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Wow. I think you're being a little too harsh. Being "Alpha" has nothing to do with lifting, hunting, seducing, etc being Alpha is all about having purpose. The true Alpha wants to learn and understand about the universe. It is natural for us to want to learn about our universe, to run our heads across the question: How was everything in the universe was created? We learned about the world once we shot out of our mother's pussy, sucking up everything that hits us into our mighty brain. We learn how to speak, walk, and use all our senses with no help from our parents at all. We are built to learn and it is why we have such great brains. Females are not smarter than man, it is mostly men who created things that has helped humanity flourish. Humans are smart, we can create things that are greater than ourselves. However, today people (especially men) are chasing simulations and emotion rather than chasing purpose and understanding like in the good old days. Tv, the internet, new entertainment technology, religion, social medias, and society encourage us to have flawed mental models that are not realistic. Most men change because society values women more than men and give women power over most men with it's flawed mindsets. Pussy is overrated in society, dick is underrated. I think if society shift it's view on mating and women chase men rather than men chase women then many will follow because it will put social pressure on many to bend in and follow. It could be the fact that women don't have an infinite amount of eggs or the fact that a woman is stuck with the baby for 9 months ( pregnancy is harsh) maybe that's why they testing, playing games with men. At the end of the day, we must seek to understand and ask ourselves why this is so. Anyways, the universe is huge there is so much we don't know and so much we do: http://scaleofuniverse.com/ . At the end of the day you only got X amount of years ahead of you and you really shouldn't be wasting time complain on how women & men are nowadays. This site is key to helping you succeed not only in seduction but in all aspects of life. We are the lucky men, we have the change to be good with women and be really "Alpha's" with purpose and who wants to learn about the universe and beyond. We all are on the same page we don't know how we came to existence we can try to fool ourselves by believing that god did it but to me the universe is too great and complex for a giant man with fluffy sandals to be the cause of the creation of the universe. :)
 

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Drck:

I sympathize with a lot of what you say as regards raising children to be soft and weak (and it makes me cringe too when I see fathers act this way—you're right, it's total bullshit), but I think you're unfair toward girls...
Drck said:
We don’t have to worry about conversational skills because all females are narcissistic anyway.
That's actually not true, I think girls are better than you give them credit for. The only truly narcissistic woman I've ever known (who literally never spoke of anything but herself) was content to become my lover on repeated occasions in the full knowledge that I had another girlfriend at the time, and I've had very few casual lovers as such (as opposed to relationships), so I have no reason to be biased against narcissistic women.

At the other end of the scale, my first girlfriend taught me an amazing amount in order to make me a "better man", well aware that I wouldn't stick around with her and would take it and run with it. I was 20, she was 23; I'd had one sexual partner before her, while she'd had 10, so it was rather an uneven match and she knew it! She told me I wasn't a proper man unless I could unfasten her bra with one hand. She made me practice it over and over, and if I tried to use two hands she'd slap me in the face. She wouldn't proceed to sex until I'd done it each time. Then she taught me to overcome LMR, by quite deliberately putting up a hell of a fight the first few times we had sex, explicitly telling me that this was what she was doing, and forcing me to learn to battle through it. I mean really fighting hard, as much as a girl can do that. She was pretty cool, actually.

My second girlfriend was determined that I should please her in bed, and went over the female anatomy with me in great detail and taught me how to give a clitoral orgasm, improve my cunnilingus ability, how to locate and stimulate the G-spot, etc. She was older than me too and also quite cool.

So I have a positive view of women, narcissistic or not :)

-Marty
 

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Eternity said:
Read the Return of Kings blog. They have the exact same mindset as you do which is not bad really just a little hit or miss with certain topics. I read it and like some of their articles because they make you think.

The return of kings are just full of cunts using an 'i'm sooo alpha, dude' front to hide the obvious fact they're a sexually-frustrated misogynist brigade. No generalisation. No thanks.
 

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Marty: That's actually not true, I think girls are better than you give them credit for. The only truly narcissistic woman I've ever known (who literally never spoke of anything but herself) was content to become my lover on repeated occasions in the full knowledge that I had another girlfriend at the time, and I've had very few casual lovers as such (as opposed to relationships), so I have no reason to be biased against narcissistic women.
>> Females may not fit the book definition of narcissism, but think about it: She really wants to hear and talk about herself. The more you tell her about yourself the closer you are to provider or friend zone, and the less chances you have. The highest chances you have is when you let her talk and keep the attention on her. From certain point of view (and you wanna get laid, right?) this is narcissism. She could care less about you and your life - unless she wants you to provide for you, i.e. Enslave you. And even then she can dump you any time with no remorse.

Flowerpower: To keep things short, you sound as if you felt threatened by girls. As much as I hate the current form of feminism (spread mostly by fat, ugly girls in search of a cause to defend), I reject your assertion that girls are manipulative, dishonest, and so on, and that "men were men" before and aren't anymore. Most men were always pussies and always will be.
>> For many guys who are unaware or who don't read about seduction, women can seem manipulative, dishonest and so on. She says one thing but does another. She tells you that you are attractive a to wait for her, yet she walks away with another guy the next minute. Sure, there is a simple explanation to it (e.g her interest in you is low, she simply doesn't care about you), but where is the honesty? She may manipulate you to orbital zone, keep you "around" as a potential provider with feelings she generates in you - while she is looking for a guy who will fuck her brains out. She may smile at you, make you feel really good about yourself, but at the same time she makes you run around and do things for her. Buy her drinks, lunches and so on. And many guys, nice guys, are running and running, buying and buying, just so they can get more of that feelings from her. But don't be mistaken, there is no true feeling. She is nice to them, and she will keep them around as long as they will do stuff for her, but she will never fuck them. Isn't that a manipulation? From this point of view it is. But of course, women are just women, they should not be taken seriously, this is simply what they do and many of them maybe they are not even aware of it. Let me ask you a question: Are you, or in any way do you resemble person that is being described as Nice Guy? If so, beware brother, you are being screwed.

Flowerpower: What makes you say women need men?
>>> same story. Her life mission is to have a child, and once she has children she needs a provider. She wants to fuck with Alpha but she wants to live with Beta. Alpha will not settle down, he will not do anything for her. Most men are Beta, they date her, marry her, and take care of her children (read pay, pay and pay). The child may not be even theirs (look up the statistics) but they happily provide. What does the guy need women for? So he can pay for her and listen to her nonsense, while she makes him wait? Don't be naive. She will keep him, but as soon as she gets closer to true Alfa she will dump his ass, or she will fuck him behind his back and then play innocent. After all, is not her fault!
 

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Eternity said:
Read the Return of Kings blog. They have the exact same mindset as you do which is not bad really just a little hit or miss with certain topics. I read it and like some of their articles because they make you think.

I'm aware of PUA/seduction material for several years now. GirlsChase seem to be the best web I've encountered, however, recently I found that most of the stuff on GC was already written by other guys, some 10-15 years ago. Different style, simpler, but written. It is possible that the stuff was re-discovered, but the material was there.

In either way, this stuff is also part of Return of Kings, just simpler. There is not so much of analysis and understanding of women, or techniques to seduce, but rather point of view of guys who want to get laid. I would be surprise if those authors are not aware of PUA. I've been browsing through ROK for about one year now, in my opinion the stuff written there goes beyond seduction; it also points to underlying problem with society - feminism. At first I was not impressed by ROK perhaps for its simplified material, however, recently I found myself agreeing more and more with ROK. Why?

Because seducing women should be simple. You (any guy) need to be a man. What makes you a man is testosterone, and the simplest way to get testosterone is physical activity, especially weight lifting. Once you have testosterone you simply cut through lots of PUA/seduction bullshit: you see a nice woman and you go for her, simple as that. You know that she may reject you, and most of them do. Who cares? There is no analysis, there is no hurt feelings, there is no need of understanding why. You laugh and move on to find the one that wants you. You shag her and move on again. You don't need her, you don't need her feelings, you have no obligation to pay for her lunches, dinners, children and so on. You are free. Seduction is just fun, in its essence it is just a number game (abundance mentality) when you are seeking women that are open to you, while dumping those who flake, who pretend that they want you but not really.

Now, if you don't have testosterone, you suffer. Your mind set is different, you analyze too much, you learn stuff that is not natural to you, she will easily influence you by her good feelings and so on. You have to pretend that you are a winner, even if you feel inside like a looser. Winners have enough testosterone, losers don't. You are looking for the right woman, and when she comes you get so uptight and anxious that you will mostly screwup anyway. You will end up paying and paying, you won't have freedom for yourself because your life will revolve around one particular woman. Once she dumps you you will be devastated, broken, and hurt, you will have a need to seek another mamma for yourself. Why the need? Because you don't have enough testosterone, you need to cling to some woman, you need to share your feelings with her.
 
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