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Ryan said:
Eternity said:
Read the Return of Kings blog.

The return of kings are just full of cunts using an 'i'm sooo alpha, dude' front to hide the obvious fact they're a sexually-frustrated misogynist brigade. No generalisation. No thanks.

I live in states but I grew up in a different country. Women ARE different in different countries. They are nicer, more submissive, and men are still appreciated as men. You can still get good woman in a different country. The problem is, the Americanization is spreading everywhere, and it is spreading fast.

Here in states it is all unnatural. Women have too much power, men are not appreciated for being men, and many men are not men - they act like immature boys. Man has to "fit" her, not the other way. Men are too submissive here in states.

I have several good friends, good guys, honest, hard working, doing something with themselves. Good men. They even want to be providers, but they can't get a good woman, they have difficulties to get girlfriend. Why is that? IMO classical Dating is very difficult in states, women are too picky, they want it all, while men remained too simple, too naive, too nice. I also have friends who were providers, were married, have children. Now they are broke, financially and in their hearts, while they still have to pay, pay and pay.

From this point of view, I understand where these guys from ROK are coming from. The frustration is there, and there is a reason to it: weak men who allowed rise of feminism. The reason is weak men who want to be "equal" to women in kitchen, work and even battlefield. What a joke. And who suffers the most? Good guys and good women. We all get screwed because we have to beat each other in our own game....
 
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Marty said:
my first girlfriend taught me an amazing amount in order to make me a "better man", well aware that I wouldn't stick around with her and would take it and run with it. I was 20, she was 23; I'd had one sexual partner before her, while she'd had 10, so it was rather an uneven match and she knew it! She told me I wasn't a proper man unless I could unfasten her bra with one hand. She made me practice it over and over, and if I tried to use two hands she'd slap me in the face. She wouldn't proceed to sex until I'd done it each time. Then she taught me to overcome LMR, by quite deliberately putting up a hell of a fight the first few times we had sex, explicitly telling me that this was what she was doing, and forcing me to learn to battle through it. I mean really fighting hard, as much as a girl can do that. She was pretty cool, actually.

So I have a positive view of women, narcissistic or not :)

-Marty

Good for you man. How much did you spent on her? Prostitute would teach you the same, with discount it would all cost you only $200-300. ;-)
 

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Drck said:
Good for you man. How much did you spent on her? Prostitute would teach you the same, with discount it would all cost you only $200-300. ;-)
I was a poor student in a Central European country that had recently emerged from behind the Iron Curtain (this was 1995), I had no money to speak of, and I certainly didn't spend any on my first girlfriend.

I don't remember a single occasion when we ate out together. We used to cook at my place or hers :)

The $200-$300 you so breezily speak of would have been enough to pay 6 months' rent on my apartment at the time.

My second girlfriend was a doctoral student from a wealthy California family, and had much more money than I. I didn't spend anything on her either, but when she returned from trips home to San Francisco she used to bring me See's Candies, clothing with American labels like Chaps and Dockers that I found quite exotic, never having been to the US at that point, and Oxo utensils that I still use in my kitchen today, 15 years later.

She also used her influence with the wife of a professor to get me into business school despite my shaky grades. I never asked her to do it and didn't find out about it until many years after we quit dating, by which time I was well into my career, thanks in no small part to her.

You seem to have a cynical and distorted view of women, Drck, and I'm sorry that your experiences with them have evidently been less positive than you might have hoped for.

-Marty
 

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Marty: You seem to have a cynical and distorted view of women
>>> not sure where is my view distorted. Cynical, maybe, but I prefer expression "don't care anymore". I see a lot of "Nice Guys" around me every day. I was a nice guy long time myself, and I'm still fighting lots of that LEARNED nicenessness.

I see many providers around as well, most of the guys are providers, Betas. I loved - the way nice guy can love - and dreamt about several women in my life. It didn't go anywhere, exactly the way it is being describe here on GC or other places. I was rejected, and the signs of impeding rejections were always there. I even tried to prove that it can't be like that. I knew a hot one (8/10), good women (9/10), great looks (8/10), great education 9/10), great personality 9/10, dominance 7-8/10). I mean, really good, not slutty woman, keeper. She was a coworker, at first strongly attracted to me. I hesitated, then I tried to seduce her.

She was breath taking, at first I didn't believe she was even talking to me, then she was all over me, literally hanging on me, even began to talk about nasty things. I was biting my lips, I felt helpless. I knew what to do but I just couldn't, I had that nice feeling of nice guy for her. It froze me, I was unable to make a move, I wanted to provide for her and do nice things for her, I wanted to care for her, to see her every day in the bed next to me. I screwed up right there. Then her attraction began to fade and I finally gained control of my feelings. It was already "late", but I did it anyway. I tried not to chase, but I couldn't resist, I saw her pretty much every day. I tried many PUA stuff, I knew I am facing rejection, I knew I could get easily ten other girls with no effort. I displayed romance, I overcome her dominance, I pushed away orbitals, I did the best to hide my chasing and so on. All consciously, all planned. There was still lots of nicenessness but there was also lots of good seduction techniques. I couldn't get her. I was offered "friend zone", which I declined. End of story. Later on I was seeing her. She was/is still hot and attractive, but I stopped carrying. I didn't want her anymore. We became "neutral" towards each other, many times I got pissed over her work nonsense. She just became casual woman to me. That nice feeling, that love for that particular woman you have - it is just fake. They are all the same.

The important thing to remember is to keep it simple: you see hot woman who is open to you, you go for it right there, and you close ASAP. You have to be ready for that, thus you need quantity, abundance mentality. That is it, no science is needed. You hesitate, you start chasing, you show weakness and nicenessness of nice guy - she is gone, forever. You need to drop her, otherwise you will be chasing, and the more you chase the further she will run.

Then I also realized that going after or waiting for hot (8-9/10) woman simply doesn't worth it. You can have bunch of 6-7 in the mean time, literally with no work at all. You just stop carrying, you avoid those who are not interested, and you let the rest do the work while you do and say what the fuck you want to do or say. Who cares? It is just a pussy, no need to pay for her, no need for high maintenance woman. No worries who is she going out with, whether she likes you or not, what did you do wrong that she is getting ready to dump you, how to make more money to keep her... FUCK ALL THAT!
 

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Marty said:
Drck said:
Good for you man. How much did you spent on her? Prostitute would teach you the same, with discount it would all cost you only $200-300. ;-)
I was a poor student in a Central European country that had recently emerged from behind the Iron Curtain (this was 1995), I had no money to speak of, and I certainly didn't spend any on my first girlfriend.

I don't remember a single occasion when we ate out together. We used to cook at my place or hers :)

The $200-$300 you so breezily speak of would have been enough to pay 6 months' rent on my apartment at the time.

My second girlfriend was a doctoral student from a wealthy California family, and had much more money than I. I didn't spend anything on her either, but when she returned from trips home to San Francisco she used to bring me See's Candies, clothing with American labels like Chaps and Dockers that I found quite exotic, never having been to the US at that point, and Oxo utensils that I still use in my kitchen today, 15 years later.

She also used her influence with the wife of a professor to get me into business school despite my shaky grades. I never asked her to do it and didn't find out about it until many years after we quit dating, by which time I was well into my career, thanks in no small part to her.

You seem to have a cynical and distorted view of women, Drck, and I'm sorry that your experiences with them have evidently been less positive than you might have hoped for.

-Marty

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To Ryan:

When I was 17-18 I was going out with this hot chick, for some 6-7 months. She was very pretty (8/10) at that time, blond with long beautiful hair and great body. Not so smart but I could care less because I was happy to have a GF that other guys wanted. Including my best friend, who was hitting on her behind my back. I actually saw him one day, and she told me about it the next day. We used to go for coffee, drinks and snacks, dancing and holding hands, kissing... I didn't make a move being blinded by love, you know those good feelings that paralyze you, but contrary what you read here, now I understand that I had lots of windows open for very very long time. I'm talking months... Did I mention I was shy?

I paid most of the time, since she was so nice, and I didn't even think about letting her pay. She let me talk a lot, and I was talking and talking, listening to myself about my life and my ideas, rather than to what she had to say. She knew my ego is big, and she kept it there. I had no idea about PUA nor heard about Alpha/Beta, I was on my own. She wanted to get married soon, which I didn't want.

She was (and is) a good girl, fateful as far as I can say, not bitchy, not too financially demanding, just simply good marriage-kids type. I was working, making decent money, had lots of friends and respect from my peers. I used to exercise a lot and was in great physical shape. I was delighted that she chose me because I didn't have the guts to ask her out. One day she simply knocked on my door and invited me out. Can you even imagine? That is how girls are in another country, no games, not giving you a hard time, just simple and easy, even wait till you are ready...

Long story short, I was this "nice guy - boring provider", naive and full of ideals about how world should be. So one of those nice days came, she lost her nerve, and I was "suddenly" dumped and exchanged the very same day for macho/bad-boy dumb shmuck with miserably low IQ, and job that paid half of mine. I was making really good money, more than average adult man that time. At that time I didn't see it coming, it was fast and cruel, and I was hurt a lot. I didn't want to get married but the pain was real, I remember even that I was physically shaking. Nevertheless, I nicely apologized to her for her dumping me, and politely suggested that we keep going out. Nicely presented No was the answer from her (read go fuck yourself), I didn't understand why.

If you think you are a nice guy, I could easily beat you with nicenessness.... Dude, even if she dropped all her clothes and jumped on me that time, I wouldn't be able to fuck her, that is how nice I was.

She married him, had a child with him. I then moved away, and when i got back after several years I asked about her one of her friend. I forgave her, I don't keep it in me, somehow I knew it was my fault. Several months later, she contacted me via email and phone. She was divorced, she told me that he used to beat her. After the divorce she found another guy of that kind, and although she didn't say much about him they too split. I suspect that he was beating her as well. Sad story, if I didn't know better I would even feel sorry for her.

Now she is a single mom, she has to work many hours to support herself and her child, because I suspect that the dumbbell doesn't give her much, if anything. She sends me messages here and there, wants to meet with me, and I just know the way she talks that she wants me back. She still think I'm the same nice guy as I used to be. She still think she is very pretty (sent me a pics of herself). She still thinks I'm gonna feel sorry for her life story, run after she apologizes to me and provide for her and her child. She clearly needs a man, she got burned on exciting bad boys and now she wants back that stable nice guy who doesn't hesitate to provide. Never mind that she is double size than she used to be, her beauty dropped to 4-5/10, and she cut that long beautiful hair to man-style short. Looking back, perhaps God himself saved me at that time by not allowing me to overcome my feelings for beauty and simply fuck her...

Dude, you just can't make this s*** up, and when you read about it you won't believe it. Personal experience is needed, not blogs. Only seeing and feeling own pain is believing.

Anyhow, I might be able to see her within couple of months. I don't even know what to do... whether to avoid her, revenge my old pain with wiping my dick in her hair and leaving her forever dreaming, or pull up my wallet and pay for another coffee again, only as a friend... But provider? Never, ever...
 

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You talk very selfishly like she lead you on and broke your heart as part as a great conspiracy against you, even when you know you can't blame her for feeling the way she does (if you read Chase's articles). And how can you blame her when you do absolutely nothing to increase attraction, but do absolutely everything to increase her feelings of fridndship, and friendly respect for you? You act surprised when she leaves you, like you might act suprised to learn 2+2=4.

She didn't love you as a lover, she loved you as a friend who was always there to cuddle her and care for her. Because you were always available and always conforting. You mistake that for being wrong. But it's not. It's just too early. You never had intimacy, so she was never truly yours in a romantic sense. But once you did sleep with her, of course that's what you're meant to do with a woman to make her feel loved and cared for. You didn't know you had to first have sex, you can blame it on your ignorance. But don't blame it on her if you've taken no initiative to create attraction or do the act. That's all on you.

And now, you're betraying her feelings again. She went for the only guy who could make her feel like a woman and was man enough to give her pleasure. Would you stay with the kind, friendly virgin, or would you accept the advances of a sexy, sexual being who could satisfy your sexual needs? It's only natural what most would choose. His behaviour afterwards is irrelevent- once a woman sleeps with a guy, he can more or less do whatever what the fuck he likes.
She remembers you for all the sweet, good things you did for her. These are not bad things, you just jumped the gun. If you were man enough to have sex with her first, you would have been the perfect boyfriend for her. She remembers you still, wants to relive the memories, and this is what you write?!:

Anyhow, I might be able to see her within couple of months. I don't even know what to do... whether to avoid her, revenge my old pain with wiping my dick in her hair and leaving her forever dreaming, or pull up my wallet and pay for another coffee again, only as a friend... But provider? Never, ever...
Seriously? The fault of your relationship is all on you and you know it, but you act like she was some evil whore who you must take revenge on. That's really low. The decent thing to do now is to take past experiences like a man, arrange to meet for coffee sometime, and have a good laugh about your lives (without telling her 'its all your fault' like a spoiled brat). Make her feel loved again, she stuck around for you because she cared about you as a friend, and now you're turning back and spitting her in the face. If you're going to do that, then don't speak to her again.

Lastly, you act like you are the only member who knows what it's like to live with a broken heart after being too nice. You really have no idea. I lived for two years in depression and nearly killed myself because the girl i loved and wanted to marry gave up on me. She said she loved me too, and we were together for 3 years. We held hands and made plans to marry and have children and what we would name them. But i was too scared to have sex with her. Too scared to kiss her. It was all perfect how it was, i didn't want to risk it all by intimacy. She was so beautiful. Really gorgeous.
And what came was so obviously inevitable for how a guy like me was acting. After a few months, it all stopped. She stopped taking my calls, her mum wouldn't tell me what was going on and i only found out what was happening through her friends. She told me she had lost feelings for me. A few weeks later, she found a new boyfriend. And apparently they have sex most nights.
How do you think I felt? As i said, i wanted to kill myself. But after following the advice from Chase, i understand how she felt. I don't blame her and i still have nothing but love for her. But i've moved on (which is why i have never mentioned her apart from one or two of my early posts) and i encourage you to do the same. Always leave the door open for her, and still care for her and give her a shoulder to cry on if you still love her, but ultimately, find other girls to be intimate with.
I don't know why i wrote this, but now i realise that i truly do love women. I'm not actually bitter, though it makes me upset to be rejected all the time.


I think you should read this story:

Pete, Jerry, and Sue: A Love Triangle

Before we continue, I want to discuss why it's so important that you learn to move quickly -- expeditiously, even -- with women. To illustrate the concept, I'll tell you a story: the story of a woman named Sue, and the two wonderful, attractive men she's met -- both of whom like her and both of whom decide to pursue her.

The two men Sue's met are Jerry, a charming, quick-witted salesman who makes a middle-class income, and Pete, a charismatic, brilliant investment banker pulling down six figures.

On her first date with Pete, the investment banker, Sue gets treated to a wonderful, fancy dinner. Pete picks her up in his sports car, wines her and dines her at the finest, classiest restaurant in town, and regales her with fantastic tales of travel to exotic locations abroad and high adventure. At the end of the night, Pete drops Sue off at her apartment, gives her a peck on the cheek, and wishes her goodnight.

The next day, Pete gets swamped with work, and in any event he's heard it's good to let girls sit and wonder for a while first anyway, so rather than jump and plan the second date right away, he decides to wait a bit. He's a little nervous anyway; he really likes this girl and doesn't want to mess it up. He's thinking maybe a week later, he'll see Sue again, and charm her even more. It sounds like the perfect plan.

But now Sue goes out with Jerry.



Jerry doesn't have Pete's sports car. He can't take Sue to a fancy dinner. And his most exciting stories are about the time he got arrested for public drunkenness, and that fight he got into trying to save his buddy who'd hit on the wrong guy's girl.

Jerry meets Sue at a café not far from his apartment, and they sit and chat for about two hours. Sue's still riding the buzz from her date with Pete, and likes him quite a lot, and is dreaming of what a spectacular wedding she and Pete will have. She's thinking about what it'd be like to be Mrs. Pete. Meanwhile, Jerry's doing a good enough job making her laugh a little and just generally being a charming, sexy guy. Sue doesn't see much of a future with Jerry, but that's okay.

The two of them end up back at Jerry's place, and one thing leads to another and they sleep together. Jerry's quite charming, and quite good in bed, and after their first time being intimate, they have some dinner, and then Jerry takes Sue to bed again.

Sue goes home, and now she's flooded with the potent emotions that came from that fast, incredible date with Jerry. Even though he'd just been okay on the date, the powerful ending of that date that found the two of them going to bed a few times has left her feeling like he's a pretty incredible guy to make a girl like her want to sleep with him so fast. And when he texts her a few days later and asks her if she'd like to spend more time together, of course she says "yes."

Meanwhile, it's been a week since Pete's first date with Sue, and he decides it's time to ask her out again. This time, Pete invites Sue to see that new play in town -- he figures it'll be a great outing for the two of them. Sue agrees, and again he picks her up and drives her to the play.

Sue and Pete sit there during the play, and while Sue still likes Pete, the emotions that intimacy with a new partner creates are swirling crazily in her head as she thinks obsessively about Jerry. She can't wait to see him again, and she spends most of her date with Pete fantasizing about her next night with Jerry. At the end of the date, again, Pete drives Sue home, gives her a peck on the cheek, and bids her goodnight.

Sue sees Jerry a few more times over the next week, and they have some fun conversations, Sue cooks Jerry some food at his apartment, and they go to bed each time, Sue waking up the next morning feeling wonderful. Then, after another week has passed, Pete asks her on another date. Sue debates, not sure if she wants to go -- but Pete's such a great guy, she'd feel bad about saying no. So she says okay.

This time, Pete takes Sue back to his apartment, and cooks her a three course meal. He's truly an exceptional cook, and his apartment is splendidly well-appointed. He has candles on, and romantic music playing in the background. After dinner, he goes for the kiss. Sue pushes him away.

"Pete," she tells him, "you're great, but this is way too fast for me."

Pete's a little taken aback; it's the third date -- he thought that was the rule. Take a girl out on three dates, and on the third date you get together. But now Sue was telling him it was still too soon.

Pete drives Sue back to her place, fishes for a kiss again, but only ends up getting another peck on the cheek. He tries calling her and texting her to meet up over the next week, but she's evasive. She never has time for him anymore.

He doesn't know why, but we do: it's because she's with Jerry, and she's falling for him. Eventually, Jerry decides he likes Sue a lot, and he makes her his girlfriend. Pete spends the next few months still texting or calling Sue occasionally, and she's always polite but never all that interested. He leaves scratching his head, wondering what happened.

https://www.girlschase.com/content/how- ... -ever-need
 

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Chill out Ryan, there is no conspiracy. Sure, I could say that it is my fault that the relationship didn't work out. I could justify her actions, I could feel sorry for her, I could analyze what happened, and I could be understanding why she dumped me. I could come back, hold her hands and love her again, help her financially, show her how great she is. I'm sure SHE would like that.

But I'm not going to do that. There are different glasses one can choose to see the world through. My good and innocent GF chose to dump nice and good guy, hard working and honest man who would never abuse her and who would never cheat on her in exchange for some dumb bad boy because she couldn't hold her slutiness in her pants. Your GF did the same, and the same happened to countless number of good nice guys. It was her/their decision and I have no reason to justify it or apologize for my actions. There is no bitterness, that is simply how it works, such is life. If I fuck her, it will be the way I want and I like, not the other way. Nobody says she won't like it either, why wouldn't she? The only sad or cynical thing is, that I'm not even attracted to her anymore, I'd rather pay couple hundred to some pro who knows what she's doing and who is 3-4 numbers higher on the scale.

You, you seem like a good guy who wants to have long term relationship and who wants to eventually get married, maybe after you seduce several hot women. There is nothing wrong with it, good for you, many men are doing it, consider it normal. Be careful with one thing though, that is creating some IMAGE of somebody who you are not, somebody who is mysterious, great, even perhaps some great "lover" who many women dream of. You may fool her temporarily but if she is really hot, smart and classy, she will see right through you and she will find out that it is all fake. She will dump you ass just for that, no matter what other qualities you have. As a matter of fact, most likely you won't be able to seduce her with fakiness at first place, my personal experience is that no PUA and seduction skills are working on these type of girls. She is always ahead of you, at least one step, and if she doesn't like your real qualities there is nothing you can do. So in stead of learning some camouflage focus on creating REAL MAN, that is create real success and real value, get real education, make real money, keep real health, and become a real winner in life. She will find you and she will literally seduce you - no mystery is needed, no seduction skills are required...
 

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i was a bit harsh yesterday, i apologise. I was in a really bad mood and it showed in my writing!
 
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