Street game: Advice from experts on this

[diegoC]

NOTE: Please, only advice from people who actually use and have success with this approach to meet new woman

I'm starting to use this approach to meet new women and so far I've approached 5 girls in 1 week (I work at home and I don't get out as much as most guys, but I try to do it anytime I'm out and see a girl I like). I've only had one successful phone/facebook swap (she gave me her FB when I told her i lost my phone. She even add me before I did. Although, she hasn't reply -send one when she added me and other 6 days later-, I don't care, really. The important thing is, it was a big step for me -it was my first cold approach-, besides, we need to think in numbers... plenty of more out there One other thing: she lived 2 hours away from my city).

The thing is, most times the other girls I have talked to seem fine with me saying whatever[1]. They will act maybe kinda cold/surprised, or happy, with good attitude but not giving me a chance.

For example, the last girl went like this (we were both going down to take the metro):

– I had to wait for you to stop sending your message (she was replying a text)
She was smiling, pretty good vibe
- That's okay…
– I saw you and I had to tell you, you have really beautiful eyes (brief pause to see her response)
(She was smiling still, but I think she was kinda shy about this, she turned away)
- My name is "DiegoC" (brief pause to see her response). Where are you going?
- To my house
- Where do you live?
- Why do you want to know?
(This kinda knocked me out, I was not sure what to say… I actually don't remember what I said. I'm pretty sure it was not stupid but there was hesitation for sure. A short one, but it could be spotted)
Then she said:
- I live really far
Then she started going down other set of stairs and kinda get away from me so she could get down on the other side, not next to me.
I said something but then she said something like:
- I don't want you to follow me (not in a mean/cold way but like being serious about that)
- I'm not following you

Then we went to the train and that's it. Other failed interactions have failed just after opening because as I was not walking in the same direction as the girls, they started to walk an I didn't follow. I guess I shouldn't as it could creep them out, I don't know. I find it hard to make a girl stay with me. I'm pretty sure is one of the hardest stuff on street game.

I'm pretty sure my conversation flow was not as great and I'm not asking for you to tell me what I have to say in EVERY interaction I have because there are so many variables (each girl can tell yo so many different things). You can input on this particular interaction, for sure, so you can point out what I need to improve based on that (i guess my responses skills is what I need to work out a lot... maybe I could have teased her saying like: I though you were following me but please dont do it). Well, my ultimate goal if to know, from experts in street game:

• Some ground rules/rules of thumb when cold approaching.
• What should I improve? I have to say that I have good fundamentals, I don't seem nervous at all, I'm also pretty good at being unfazed to women emotions... so, what could I improve that is kinda vital on this kinda of game? ( I'm starting to think right at this moment as I go and think about my interaction that the best way to put down women shields is to make them laugh, righ? I'm pretty sure this could be huge for street game.)

Thanks!


[1] My usual openings are:
• I saw you and I had to tell you, you have really beautiful eyes.
• I saw you and I had to tell you, I think you are a really good-looking girl (That word in spanish translates to "guapa" that is a very common word user by spanish people. It's more elegant to me. I like it)
In both cases, after delivering the opening, I briefly pause, depending on her response I will introduce myself inmediately after or not.

I was also wondering if both my opening seem okay. Maybe is no good to say good-looking and is better to complement an specific thing. Will appreciate it.

 

[charming]

Hey Deigo! Don't give up, you have to fail to really learn this stuff. I look forward to those forthcoming lay reports from you.
Day game is my personal favorite. I almost always go with an observational opening. I think the compliment right off comes off overly invested.

I recently wrote up some day game advise on another thread, check it out:
https://boards.girlschase.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1041#p6220

 

[Tyme2k]

Two things that will help your game.

Stop the set before you engage. Difficult at times, but the most effective way to get investment and hook a street set.

Approach more and more, eventually you will engrave this shit. The more you approach the more patterns YOU will notice.

 

[diegoC]

Stop the set before you engage. Difficult at times, but the most effective way to get investment and hook a street set.

Well, besides the set I talked about -which I started on the electric stairs-, I've always open on places where the girls were not moving or, after I pre-open her, they stopped. I don't understand why you say it's difficult. I can't even imagine pre-opening a girl that doesn't stop after doing so. Are we talking about different things? It would be weird for a girl to continue walking after you have touch her arm to get her attention for some reason. Maybe I'm missing something…

Do you think -like I actually do- direct openers is the way to go? Maybe you could tell me what you think of the two kind of openings I usually use on street game (at the end of my first post).

Could you give me a ratio of success vs burn? I mean, if you approach 10 girls, do you usually get contact info of 50%, 80%… an average would be great so I know how successful I know I could be.

I would love an example of one of your interactions (a one that was really difficult). I would love to see how you lower her shield/defenses. Trying to maker her laugh at the start could be great, right?

Approach more and more, eventually you will engrave this shit. The more you approach the more patterns YOU will notice.

Yep, I have to.


Thanks Tyme2k

 

[diegoC]

I recently wrote up some day game advise on another thread, check it out: viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1041#p6220

Nice post there charming.

I almost always go with an observational opening. I think the compliment right off comes off overly invested.

Maybe. I don't know. The thing is that it has been said a lot in here (even Chase recommends it) that a direct opener is the way to go if you feel comfortable delivering it, so, I just use that one.

 

[Nuncle]

I admire your bravery in doing all this but would say the mistake in this case was to ask "Where do you live?" right after she had told you she was going to her house. Way too threatening. Too much of a risk for her after just having been approached by a stranger and sexually complimented.

I was watching some You Tube videos of street pick-up and one of the guys on there usually makes a point of saying "I don't usually do this" very soon into the interaction to make the girl feel comfortable that she is not talking to some nutter who doesn't understand personal boundaries.

Anyway as others have said keep doing it and I am sure once you are used to it your manner will become a lot more relaxed and dominant and you may even get away with asking things like that.

 

[Tyme2k]

Stop the set before you engage. Difficult at times, but the most effective way to get investment and hook a street set.

Well, besides the set I talked about -which I started on the electric stairs-, I've always open on places where the girls were not moving or, after I pre-open her, they stopped. I don't understand why you say it's difficult. I can't even imagine pre-opening a girl that doesn't stop after doing so. Are we talking about different things? It would be weird for a girl to continue walking after you have touch her arm to get her attention for some reason. Maybe I'm missing something…

Do you think -like I actually do- direct openers is the way to go? Maybe you could tell me what you think of the two kind of openings I usually use on street game (at the end of my first post).

Could you give me a ratio of success vs burn? I mean, if you approach 10 girls, do you usually get contact info of 50%, 80%… an average would be great so I know how successful I know I could be.

I would love an example of one of your interactions (a one that was really difficult). I would love to see how you lower her shield/defenses. Trying to maker her laugh at the start could be great, right?

When I think street game, I think of girls that are in a hurry and walking on the street. If you tap them on the shoulder this is a way of stopping, but when they are coming towards you this is not as easy. I directly stop in front of them with my hands slightly in front snd to the side of my body and tell them to stop. This is good and a sign of investment.

I have changed my game from direct to indirect. Direct was powerful, but with a strong emotional opener it's hard to keep emotional momentum. It seems like the interaction cant really go up from the opener. RSD Alex talks about this quite a bit. His basic theory is that going direct can always be done after you open situational or indirect, this way you can escalate emotions smoothly.

I am about 98% when I go for the number as I will not even go for the number if the interaction was mediocre. After a while of day game you will start to get a feel for how the interaction is going and how invested/interested she is. The only times I've been denied are two in the past 4 months or so whom had boyfriends and I still tried to number close based on positive reactions. One was super direct opener "put your number in my phone" the other was indirect "Hi, how's your day going" went for the number close, "my boyfriend wouldn't like that very much."

To lower the shields I just plow. I haven't wrote my journal for last night yet in the Park, a club here in sac where I lowered probably the hardest bitch shields in the club. I'll put it up tonight after my workout hopefully. The biggest thing is eye contact and remaining unreactive. Last night I was playing with calling out basic observational standards, like "you're used to akward or aggressive guys coming up and hitting on you." "You thought I was coming over here just because I want to fuck you." (both of these I used last night and broke the bitch shields.) The key is to say it without flinching and hold eye contact. If you can hold eye contact in a tense social situation it communicates high value and it's hard for girls to keep a bitch shield if they can tell you're a high value male and you aren't being rude.

Take a look at my journal day 40 march 15th, I will go into depth on lowering bitch shields. Weird thing is I don't usually get bitch shields during the day, if anything I get instant blow outs where they just ignore me, usually instant blowout due to me not stopping them or a half ass approach.

 

[diegoC]

… but when they are coming towards you this is not as easy. I directly stop in front of them with my hands slightly in front snd to the side of my body and tell them to stop. This is good and a sign of investment.

Now I know what you meant. I've always open from the the side. Even if I like a girl coming towards me I let her pass, turn around and reach her. I think stopping them like you do is good. I'm pretty sure most will stop doing that. I'll will try it.

I have changed my game from direct to indirect. Direct was powerful, but with a strong emotional opener it's hard to keep emotional momentum. It seems like the interaction cant really go up from the opener. RSD Alex talks about this quite a bit. His basic theory is that going direct can always be done after you open situational or indirect, this way you can escalate emotions smoothly.

Yep, it might be. That stuff about going direct after other type of openers (situational, playful) has being said here in a post about compliments. If you don't compliment her on your opening you should do so "shortly after you've opened situationally or with "Are you single?". I guess I'll will play with other types of openers. In street/day game, it should be easier to deliver a direct compliment after opening a girl than doing it with the opener. In night game being direct is easier to do as girls are open to know new guys.

I am about 98% when I go for the number as I will not even go for the number if the interaction was mediocre.

I'm pretty sure your fundamentals, your skills for deep diving, well, being good at this stuff -picking up-, in general, must be great. But, don't you think you should count the ones where the interaction was mediocre in your percentage of success? You started talking to them because you found them attractive. If the interaction didn't go well is because of you or her (not being interested for some reason). I guess you might not consider them if it was you who ended the interaction (didn't like her personality, etc) and, maybe, if she gave you an acceptable excuse (she has a boyfriend) even when the conversation was doing really great.

To lower the shields I just plow.

What do you mean by plow? I'm spanish native. I know the word but I don't understand it in this context.

… basic observational standards, like "you're used to akward or aggressive guys coming up and hitting on you." "You thought I was coming over here just because I want to fuck you."

Interesting openers

 

[diegoC]

Other thing. I understand that on daygame you could open casual at first in some situations (in a coffee shop, waiting in line) and there complement her soon.

But, when approaching someone walking down the street, after you pre-open her… you really don't have an excuse. I would be completely obvious to continue talking to her if you ask her for directions, the time. Do you think that in cases like this one (pre-opening someone just walking down the street) we should always go with a direct opener?

My logic is backed up by this post by Chase: https://www.girlschase.com/content/when- ... al-openers
I kinda think the same with that post. What about you?

Cheers

 

[Light]

Do you smile while cold approaching?

 

[diegoC]

Do you smile while cold approaching?

Yes, of course. I use sexy smile or sexy smile-with-teeth: It just a type I also like. Is the same as sexy (smiling more from one side) but showing teeth. It's warmer but not as friendly as open mouth smile. I practice this. I always have a mirror by my side. Sometimes I stop doing whatever I am and practice talking. I also do the eye thing: where you squint your eyes so they are not wide spread while delivering the compliment.

Any advice would be great Light. But as I said, i think the post of Chase on when to use direct o situational is spot on. I would be very weird to open casual to a person I clearly chased to start a conversation.