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Space Monkey
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I've been gaming pretty regularly, at least a couple of girls per day and I've had 4 dates (these two make 6) in the last 4 weeks with no lays. I'm gonna start a journal just. to detail significant events and milestones, so that more experienced members can suggest help with sticking points.
 
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Two instant dates today while I was going about my day pretty naturally. Being in university the lifestyle is pretty conducive to that sort of thing, so I went out to sun tan and saw this 8 putting her phone in the charger and immediately thought this girl is my type. She was visiting her sister and was leaving in the next hour I sat by her stuff and we struck up a conversation and spoke for the next hour. Deep diving, information about where she was and also touching to sexualize but the vibe wasn't overtly sexual. She said that she had to leave to catch a plane in the next 15 minutes, and then she asked what we should do.

I told her we should go downstairs (meaning my room) and just chill out.

She asked me where, like oh to the lounge? and I just folded under pressure and said yeah. Decent enough time then and I walked her to her uber and she hopped in. I have her number so maybe redemption when I'm in new york.

TERRIBLE

Next girl I ran it okay I guess. Saw her at the grocery store and asked if she was looking for juice, then called that she was high. We went shopping together and then after putting her stuff in her car I told her to come with me to a cafe. She came with me. Was trying a compliance ladder that was working to middling effect, before she had to go so her groceries didn't go bad. Got her number so I could make a play but idk.

Second one felt a lot more like I was following a process. Giving her commands the whole time so that the next one was natural. First one was highly compliant but I wasn't bossing her around enough fast enough so I let it slip through my fingers.

I seriously feel like I'm lacking the killer instinct with these girls and it's difficult for me to sexualize things. I feel like I don't want it bad enough.
 
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Went out with my boy last weekend, it ended up being a pretty crazy night. I'm not even in kill mode ^^^ like I said before, when I'm in the pocket the hunger isn't naturally there. He goes to open this 4-set while I talk to the bartender. He comes over and says his girl is gonna play pool with him, so I should go grab another girl. While we're talking, a two-set walks in, one blonde and one brunette.

Before we had gone out, he said he was going to get a short brunette and I told him I was going to get a tall blonde, so this ended up working out perfectly. We open them, and immediately, I can tell that they are both attracted to him. I'm not overly worried, but I'm also not super intent on gaming. Looking at this as a sticking point, I think sometimes I view attraction as girls as something that is either there or not, since my girl is pretty receptive to my touch, but I end up really just watching him game, and am pretty impressed with the moves that he's making.

They say that they're gonna go hit another bar, and I make the call to move with them. They get barred at the door since their fakes don't pan out, and my boy goes for the pull.

This entire time I am just watching like NO WAY this is going to work. My girl isn't even feeling me and we'd only really been talking for about 5-10 minutes. They say that they'd like to discuss things and do a girl huddle while I chat with my boy.

They come back and say okay lets go.

We hop in the uber, and the ride back is pretty relaxed, until right before we get back to our place. My boy says stop the car, I ask him why. He tells me he needs condoms in front of the girls.

They immediately start exclaiming that he was really confident in himself, kind of making fun of him, and from this point on his girl kind of starts closing off.

I'm witnessing all this from the perspective of a detached observer, content to entirely follow his lead since he's gotten us this far. I tell the uber to drop us off and we walk to the gas station and grab condoms.

We get back to our place and I can tell that his efforts to get his girl are being styimmied, she's uncomfortable and refusing compliance.

My girl is opening up and we start to have a good time. They ask if their friend can come over, and she does. She walks over to both of our girls, picks them up, and throws them on our laps. I'm escalating rapidly and my girl is enjoying it, my wing's girl gets off him, then pulls my girl off me.

I am entirely unphased and in such a good headspace that I just start interacting with the third girl, who is now flirting with me, before sitting down and proceeding to escalate verbally on the third girl while escalating physically with the girl next to me.

Things are good, energy is light, drinks are flowing and I'm having a fantastic time, when my wing COMPLETELY snaps.

Tells the girls that they're wasting our time and taking away from our sleep, and that they knew what this was when they came over.

Pretty hilarious, he tells the girls to just leave the apartment.

I try to de-escalate, telling him to calm down and that if he wants them to leave, he can go about it nicely.

Amazingly, they stick around and I go out on the balcony while the third girl follows me out and starts flirting with me.

The third girl stays, while the other two make to leave

When their uber arrives, I walk them down and by this time both of the initial girls are flirting with me intensely, and the vibe is very heavy.

who says white knighting doesn't get you any pussy? I'm about to figure out a good cop bad cop routine because I thought it was hilarious how much attraction they had for me immediately after.

I walk back up, and the third girl invites me onto the couch and proceeds to TRY TO GET WITH BOTH OF US.

I was having mixed feelings, having never shared a girl before, and I also didn't want my first threesome to be with a girl of middling attraction, so I bowed out.

She had sex with my wing, who told me the following day that after leaving, one of the girls was spam calling her friend asking if she could come back to our place.

He didn't tell me! Talk about selfish, although I was riding his coattails for a good half of the pull, so I wasn't really mad either.


Anyway, this did open my eyes since my wing has claimed to have 30+ bodies, but watching him interact with girls during the day is painful. Like I said, for the first half of the pull, I was basically just watching him work without interacting with my girl. His most powerful tool, along with the fact that his physical escalation and tension building are his COMPLETE CERTAINTY that he is going to have sex with the girl. He basically force-frames the girl into having sex with him, which apparently works wonders. It makes me wonder if I'm too receptive to girls' signs, when in actuality, instead of a scalpel, what I need is a sledgehammer.

This must be the famed werewolf archetype - when the moon comes out guys are completely different 💀
 

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Went out with my wing tonight, some girls that he knew wanted to pre-game and he invited me along.

3 Girls, one is mid, the other two have CRAZY physiques.

I start talking to one of the two, while my wing talks to the other who invited him. At first everything is hunky dory platonic, but once we start moving I get the other one to start following along. Problem is she has a boyfriend.

Gaming with girls is like playing on easy difficulty, you go to the bar and are stressed about nothing, and you also KNOW you're gonna leave with a girl. Pretty calm experience 10/10 would recommend.

We're having a good time, enjoying being massively socially proofed and having to have absolutely no worries about being blown out, singing karaoke, and escalating on our respective girls.

I manage to run ISO, deep-dive, and run a gambit that I've been using recently that I'll post and maybe get some feedback on called the 5 archetypes.

She's into me.

Cool, I've worked my magic we've done our thing at the bar and decide to post-game back at theirs.

Third girl leaves and it's a classic 2v2 situation.

Sun Tzu says divide and conquer.

I use the GM tactic, "Can't you see they want to be alone?" and manage to drag the girl into her room.

We're sitting in the room, playing romantic music, and SEX TALKING. I swear I was about to HYPNOTIZE THIS GIRL. I had set up the dominos and was delivering the pitch perfectly when her friend started knocking.

My wing told me that as soon as we went into the room she started panicking and saying that she has to stop her friend from cheating on her boyfriend.

STOP PLAYER HATING!

Anyway, she crashes the party and we skulk away defeated.

Fun night though. I'm recognizing that something that my wing has that I don't is a severe response to failure. I don't get as angry that these outings don't pan out.
 

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My boy's boys are visiting so we're rolling 4 deep with some guys with some crazy fundamentals. It's crazy watching dudes who you know could pull folding because of awkwardness. Like bro you could RUN this bar.

Anyway, yesterday night was dead and we stayed out way too long.

Today, I brought a girl that I had previously hung out with and practiced sex talk to a HYPNOTIC degree.

I've always been kind of uncomfortable sexualizing with girls, until literally maybe 2 weeks ago when I was kicking it with this hot 29-year old and I started busting out routines for the first time. Now I'm weaving it into conversations like nobody's business. I told her to come pre-game with me and my boys, we went out and then she came home.

The entire night, we were in a bubble, and even though every one of my friends made an attempt to pull her, they couldn't do it. I was entirely locked!.

We were sitting on the couch and I had her completely HYPNOTIZED, but everytime I would move in close she would back away. Physical escalation wasn't denied for the most part but I felt like she was holding back because she had a boyfriend. By the way, I was running Mr.Sex4uNYC game to the MAX. Anchoring on touch, approaching it like a friend that was just having good conversation, and then just weaving in sex talk for social proof.

I COULDN'T make the move because I feel like I missed the window when she was most hot and bothered.

I thought that if I escalated afterwards, it would be like trying to catch a falling knife, as the tension kind of faded away and the sex talk was beginning to sound rehearsed. It's not even that it was, it's just that it was flowing less naturally.

I told her that it was getting late, and we have plans to hang out on Sunday so hopefully I'm able to make that work.

Everytime something like this happens I feel like I have to come to the board and make amends, writing I'm sorry for my failings as a man 100 times on the board.
 

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Intro
I've been on almost a week-long bender with my wing and his friend, who is a bona fide natural. Watching this guy work has been endlessly fascinating and informative, and he's the best person with girls I have encountered so far. I'll probably just recap last night, though, since it was chock-full of events.

The Pirate
As fitting a name as any, since we've been talking about archetypes so frequently on the boards. At first, watching him wasn't anything particularly amazing, considering that his ability doesn't really lie in his conversation or banter, so much as his ability to engineer situations and his mindset. This guy is a stat stick, If we walk into a venue at any given time, he is one of the best-looking individuals there. He comes from old money and has been around high-status individuals since he was a child, which I'm assuming gives him better awareness in these sorts of settings, and provides him with a sort of entitlement that translates well to pick-up. If we open a set separately, he will swoop in and try to pull the baddest girl, or if she is locked, the next baddest. I suppose I'd describe his technique as frictionless, approaching; he is very good at making approaches that look entirely natural. He has the utmost confidence that he looks the best in a place, and does not balk at attempting to pull any girl.

First Venue - Karaoke Bar

Karaoke Bar, as soon as we enter my wing, and I get opened by a two-set that follows after us. One attractive brunette and one middling blonde. I contribute partially before leaning against the bar, and of course, his friend swoops in and takes the brunette. I didn't watch how the exchange happened.

I lean against the bar and open another blonde next to me, who gets into vivid conversation with me and buys me a drink before leaving to reunite with her friends.

We sing karaoke. Of course, I put on a magnificent performance, if you're wondering. The pirate sings with me, saving me from abject embarrassment. Another couple of minor approaches before we head out of there with a two-set, redirecting to the next club.

One of the two girls is too drunk to be allowed in, so they head home after exchanging numbers with my wing and the pirate.

Second Venue - Half Club Half Bar

Half-bar and half club, so a nice mix of things. This is where I really begin to appreciate this guy's talents. We're meandering for a while and marvelling at how a place could be so entirely packed with absolutely no attractive women, when we see this two-set.

These girls are IN CONTROL of the entire room, a certified ten and her mandatory tag-along, dancing with a vividness that made it clear they were entirely in their element, and appearing to me to be animated in a way that the rest of us weren't. There was a circle of guys, at least 5-7 that were just eyeing the two of them down while they threw ass on top of each other, so they were getting as much validation as they could possibly get.

The pirate leans into my ear and essentially says, "Watch this."

He first approaches backwards, until his back is up against hers, and tries to catch her gaze over his shoulder, but she doesn't look back. She separates from him and ends up unwittingly in the midst of the circle, and the pirate goes to speak with one of the guys who is eyeing the two of them, I'm assuming, telling him that they should move together.

It was a blur of motion, and I don't recall entirely how the two girls separated, but he waited until the other guy distracted her friend and reached his hand out, and they began dancing.

I actually started laughing, and thinking to myself that that was just such a beautiful display of game, and I was so glad that I witnessed it.

He didn't pull, and I guess for some people there's not really anything impressive about dancing with one girl, but I guess to me it just demonstrated that if you position yourself correctly, you can pull any girl in a venue. His fundamentals are also on a different level lmao.

I head to the bar area with my wing, and we see two blonde bombshells. He looks at them and verbalizes the same thing that I'm thinking, saying that he never does well with those types of girls. I tell him we still have to go try.

He goes in and exchanges a couple of sentences with no energy. I tap mine on the shoulder and get frozen out.

Whatever, we bounce from the venue and leave the pirate there alone.

Third Venue - Rooftop Bar
At this point, I guess that I'm on, since I've got a good couple of approaches going. We get to this higher end venue and lean against the bar, looking really nonchalant and whatnot. I see a lady who can only be described as the lady in the red dress, dressed to the nines and looking like a 10, along with a friend who walks up to the bar. They're both in their 30s, although they look phenomenal.

I walk to her friend, and tell her frankly that the two of them are on a different level compared to everyone else in the venue, and they receive me warmly. They've got the heaviest and sexiest Spanish accents I've heard in real life. I was almost stumbling, since I wasn't expecting the approach to go smoothly, and they float over towards the bar after saying goodbye in an extremely elegant fashion.

I go with my wing towards the edge of the roof, where we make an approach on two hispanic girls and get blown out, right in front of this table of french girls who we hadn't even seen. We sit at the edge of the roof, and as my wing approaches a girl to his right that was looking Instagram model-esque, I notice that the three french girls are trying to take a picture.

I swoop in and offer my services, opening the 3-set impeccably and having all of them eating out of my hand.

I talk mostly to the girl closest to me, who is the least attractive, but also speaks the most english. The other two look at me captivated. They are very, very attractive girls. In the middle is a girl that I would consider a 8-9, and to the left is a girl that is maybe a strong 7 but also my type. My wing blunders the approach on the girl to the left, and then rapidly switches to the girl in the middle and also blunders the approach. I try to pull out a chair for him, but some guys don't understand the importance of getting comfortable in a space before communicating. They are still focused on me, and have the same look as I'm running relatively little game but running relatively high on energy. He turns to me and tells me we should go.

I look at him and I just shrug, and figure whatever. We'll go. I give them all intense eye contact and the handclasp before leaving. In the moment, It was a relatively quick decision and maybe socially calibrated considering he was the person that I came with, even though I understand that he had made a social faux pas. In this situation, I guess it has more to do with morality, but how would you respond to a similar situation.

As I'm exiting the bar, I wave goodbye to the lady in red.

She waves back and we hit the ground floor.

After that, we swing back to the venue where the pirate is but it's mostly dead.

Fourth Venue - Dive Bar
Something I'm learning about myself is that I might simply lack the actual horniness required to want to make a play materialize. These guys were starving and adamant that they should continue. So we hit a fourth venue.

We walk into the fourth venue, and immediately spot a brunette girl that is a 10. I'm attempting to approach in as nonchalant a fashion as possible, leaning up next to her at the bar, before my wing walks up and opens her immediately.

The bartender presses the girl about not paying for a drink, where she starts complaining that x guy's name ordered it for her. I was thinking it was either her boyfriend or promoter, as she was talking to a blonde friend who appeared. At the same time, the pirate first interjects about the bartender, and when she doesn't bite, opens the friend of hers who appears, a tall blonde in a seamless way. Leans against the bar, and it happens so effortlessly that it's comical.

Sitting near the wall watching the bar, I'm able to watch these two approaches play out in unison, which makes the contrast even more stark.

On my wing's end, It initially goes pretty well, but I think that he has a form of mild autism, and is unable to read social cues, because he isn't adequately responsive to the girl's signals. I watch her kind of close off and watch him move closer, until eventually she tells him that she's gonna take a lap and goes to sit by the guy who bought her drinks.

The pirate speaks to the blonde initially, she turns away, he distances himself, and then re-engages and begins bantering with her naturally. They eventually start eyeing each other, and he effectively hooks.

My wing comes and sits next to me, and asks me if he should keep the play going. I tell him not to, that she wasn't feeling him and that I could tell by her body language.

The girl that the pirate is speaking to falls off a stool and starts bawling in the middle of the bar.

This is a grown woman crying at 5 am in the middle of a bar because she got too drunk and fell off. I was just struck by the fact that we live in entirely different realities. Her friend crouches down and consoles her, so does the pirate.

There was a lot going on in the bar at once, somebody got kicked out for almost fighting, and guys were grouped up around this girl making sure she was okay.

Eventually, the brunette sits on a chair, and my wing approaches her again. He walks over and asks if her friend is okay, to which her (who I'm assuming is her) man walks up and tells him to go over there. He says he's just checking on her, and he tells my wing to fuck off.

I start to get up as the situation is escalating and I want to help him dismount the tiger without losing status, so I begin walking over just as he starts walking back, and the Mexican guy is gesticulating in the way that someone trying to start a fight does. We lock eyes for a very tense couple of seconds, before I kind of raise my eyebrows and lift a hand like what's going on?

This kind of showed me how powerful nonverbal communication is, because it kind of made him unconsciously qualify himself. He immediately points at my wing and says "It's not me, get your homeboy." Whatever.

The pirate actually ends up leaving with these guys, they hop into a Maybach and ride into the night. Pretty crazy outing with a whole bunch of experiences I can draw from.

Takeaways
Honestly, what I think I'm lacking is really just the mindset. The pirate has it in terms of getting girls in the same way this Mexican guy has it in terms of confrontation, the certainty that what you're doing is right, or that people will respond to you positively. Besides that, maybe improve my fundamentals and always take the shot. Adopting mannerisms from the pirate is probably primarily the benefit that I will glean, but being aware of his style of game should be helpful in the long run.
 
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