The advice "Just Be Real" is a shit one

[BlueK]

Everytime I see the "Just Be Real" advice I get mad.
The reasons why I got in the game or the PUA community was because being real wasn't working.
Every male who get into the PUA community asking for advice is because being real is not working for them
How the hell are you gonna help another person saying them "just be the normal you or be real". It is a cheap and retarded advice.

 

[trashKENNUT]

I think it is many things.
I think this might help you understand why ppl say this.

It is
- flaw of the communication vehicle
- flaw of context
- flaw of diagnosing the problem
- flaw of probabilities

As an example, this post response might miss a few words or my sentences could be terrible, and you might intepret it differently.

This is point 1.

The flaw of the vehicle. That flaw is twitter only has 250 characters or i am bad at conveying sentences.

Point 2.

If i am good looking, i might tell you to be yourself. But the thing is that you may not be good looking. Thus flaw of context. I am not you.

Point 3.

So many times on Girlschase, everyone diagnose other members problems, wrongly. This is because the flaw is either the vehicle is limited, like forums or flaw of either the mentee and/or the mentor in interpreting the problem.

Point 4

You might ask me to juggle the ball 10 times. Lets say that i failed 10 times. You will say try harder because you succeeded at 100 times. For me, i failed 10 times and i am just not into juggling balls and my threshold is not there.

TLDR

People are annoying but there is a lot semantics going on. Impt to learn them.

z@c+

 

[Vision]

Where did you see this?

 

[BlueK]

@ZacAdam

The words "Real", "Normal", "Flow", "vibe" and many others shouldn't be used to give advice because they are vague and meaningless concepts.
Imagine that you are an experienced surgeon and you are teaching a student surgeon how to operate on the heart. Would you tell him, just flow, be yourself, you can do it, trust yourself?
the result would probably be a disaster because basically that is to ignore that operations require a technical side, it is not just a matter of flow.
Every time I see the "word" flow in a self help book I stop reading.
An elite athlete flows because knows what to do next and next and next. Flow comes from knowing at every single time what to do to success.
Even a Loser can give good advice if he advices: just flow dude! Just be normal!, be real!

 

[Egor]

I hesitate to use the word 'vibe' but I can not deny it's constant presence. It is almost like it is everything to me.

 

[BlueK]

Where did you see this?

I see that everywhere in the PUA community and I think those who use them are loser PUA

 

[BlueK]

I hesitate to use the word 'vibe' but I can not deny it's constant presence. It is almost like it is everything to me.

I know what they mean by "Vibe" but still is confusing as fuck and I wouldnt use it to teach.
The things under the word "vibe" is subcomunication but because they can not explain what subcomunication they are conveying because those things are
unconscious for themself, they use vibe as the rationalization.

By the way vibe is not constant presence in my opinion because if you are having a bad day, your vibe will be fucked, and unless you do something that make you happy, constant presence will reduce the frustration but will not change your vibe

If you get a news that you became millionare playing poker for example your vibe will be incredibly positive and you can get laid without telling the girl you became rich but the girl sense your vibe because you are conveying your positive momentum through non verbal comunication. That is what vibe is. That is the way girls sense when you are a male who has a lot of girls or sexual abundance for the same explanation, that is what vibe is. And it has nothing to do with being constantly presence. That is another cheap and shit advice from yoga gurus who have invaded most of the self development community including the PUA community, those shit advice werent back in the day when the PUa community started

 

[Teevster]

Everytime I see the "Just Be Real" advice I get mad.
The reasons why I got in the game or the PUA community was because being real wasn't working.
Every male who get into the PUA community asking for advice is because being real is not working for them
How the hell are you gonna help another person saying them "just be the normal you or be real". It is a cheap and retarded advice.

I agree. The whole idea of being "genuine" and "authentic" is also BS because women do not care about those things until AFTER she has sex with you (at that point if you want to have a prolonged relationship you will have to be real, authentic and all that).

 

[BlueK]

I agree. The whole idea of being "genuine" and "authentic" is also BS because women do not care about those things until AFTER she has sex with you (at that point if you want to have a prolonged relationship you will have to be real, authentic and all that).

In that case, I agree about being genuine and authentic but if you are a genuine and authentic Nice guy she will break up (my own experience) , the key is to be a genuine and authentic alpha high value male, that is the key. I guess this issue is a red pill issue and the hard truth i know is that girls do not really want a a genuine and authentic male, since nobody actually is, because we are prisoners of our own biology and social psychology and we tend to manipulate in order to not fall in the lowest social status, our motivations to not be genuine is a normal things in human being that is why nice guys try to manipulate girls to get sex, we all do things for our benefit that are ultimatly survival and reproductive strategy.
I personally do not really care about being genuine and authentic since the red pill hit me strong in the face for being too nice and having a positive and morality perception of life, I think my family are the main culprits.
What really girls want to keep wanting you is HIGH VALUE AND ALPHA BEHAVIORS even if you are not fucking genuine and authentic. Except that you are a provider, in that case she could care about your genuine and authenticity because her access to your resources depend on how willing you are to provide.
SORRY FOR THE ENGLISH

 

[Skills]

There is always a middle, sometimes guys tend to be overly gamey uncalibrated, thankfully it doesn't happen a lot in this forum other guys tend to go to the be real/authentic lazy no strategy seduction, both equally horrible advice, truth lies to be somewhere in the middle be your best authentic self which includes proper seduction strategy vs winging it that based on field tests give higher odds at the same time don't be overly uncalibrated gamey cause it could come across weird and try hard... most guys that come across overly gamey is due to wrong timing or miss application of advice...your question is lazy without the proper context of where did you hear or saw the advice....

 

[Teevster]

In that case, I agree about being genuine and authentic but if you are a genuine and authentic Nice guy she will break up (my own experience) , the key is to be a genuine and authentic alpha high value male, that is the key

Oh yeah I totally agree here. If your true self is not something attractive, chances are, she either will not commit to you, or if she does the relationship will be on a timer. I have no disagreement here. I just didn't go into further details in my initial response other than the fact over time a girl will know you, so you can't hide forever - hence why:
- Cold approach pick up: she only needs to think you are attractive. It is all a matter of what you convey
- Relationships: she need to know you are attractive. It is here key that you are attractive

I guess this issue is a red pill issue and the hard truth i know is that girls do not really want a a genuine and authentic male, since nobody actually is, because we are prisoners of our own biology and social psychology and we tend to manipulate in order to not fall in the lowest social status, our motivations to not be genuine is a normal things in human being that is why nice guys try to manipulate girls to get sex, we all do things for our benefit that are ultimatly survival and reproductive strategy.

I suggest you read this paper:

Sexual economics: sex as female resource for social exchange in heterosexual interactions by Roy Baumeister and Katheleen Vohs. ​

You can find a free PDF online. ​

What really girls want to keep wanting you is HIGH VALUE AND ALPHA BEHAVIORS even if you are not fucking genuine and authentic. Except that you are a provider, in that case she could care about your genuine and authenticity because her access to your resources depend on how willing you are to provide.

If you are perceived as a provider, the game will be based on the default frame: you are a chaser - having to prove your worth in the form of displaying social goods (ref the paper from Baumeister and Vohs).

If you are perceived as a lover, the game will be based on totally different premises which will be much more in your favor, since you bypass the default frame.

Best,
Teevster

 

[BlueK]

There is always a middle, sometimes guys tend to be overly gamey uncalibrated, thankfully it doesn't happen a lot in this forum other guys tend to go to the be real/authentic lazy no strategy seduction, both equally horrible advice, truth lies to be somewhere in the middle be your best authentic self which includes proper seduction strategy vs winging it that based on field tests give higher odds at the same time don't be overly uncalibrated gamey cause it could come across weird and try hard... most guys that come across overly gamey is due to wrong timing or miss application of advice...your question is lazy without the proper context of where did you hear or saw the advice....

The context I guess when they say it is:
When you approach do not use any PUA stuff, just do whatever the fuck you think it should be done.
But the thing is that when you do not know what should be done, that advice is non sense

 

[Skills]

The context I guess when they say it is:
When you approach do not use any PUA stuff, just do whatever the fuck you think it should be done.
But the thing is that when you do not know what should be done, that advice is non sense

Yes horrible advice

 

[Fuck This]

Be Real means Identify your strengths and play to them. DON'T BE a POSEUR trying to emulate some celebrity you saw on tv or youtube.

Go have amazing adventures on your own if you have to.
Learn to have a conversation where the other person does most of the talking and learn about what makes this woman excited.
follow current events and sports and you have 75% of all conversations covered.

 

[POB]

To me the purpose of game was never to be myself, because myself was not working.

Rather I chose to study and understand social dynamics and men/women seduction tactics AND relationship desires using community advice.
Then I went to trial and error myself, always analyzing what worked and not worked in real life.

AFTER I got a good grasp of those concepts (and got a collection of blunders), I chose traits of my personality that were congruent with those aspects of game, and started to improved upon them.

Other traits were simply not that attractive, so I decided to eliminate them (if I though they were useless) or only use them with friends/family - or on my me time.