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BarryS1

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6/24 - Daygame

Couple of great things with this approach:

1) Hottest girl I’ve number closed for a date
2) Hottest girl I’ve approached my age
3) First approach where the ass slap actually worked - Thanks Zphix

I was working from home, so I decided to drive 30min. to a different neighborhood and work at a Starbucks. My intention was to try pre-opening after reading Ross’ post in the tactics and techniques thread: [https://boards.girlschase.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=7018]. I approached 3 older women in the morning and got the smoothest blowouts I’ve ever had. While not happening that often nowadays, older women usually get surprised at my approach and laugh at me. Not this time! While pre-opening with a hand touch on the shoulder, these girls did not raise their voices, but calmly said they were in a rush after a minute or so of talking. WOW, that’s different!

After taking a two hour break at Starbucks, I head into Target to shop for suntan lotion. I was on the top floor following an older white woman down the escalators, when I saw a latina looking at me while coming up the opposite side (these escalators where side-by-side). As soon as she looked at me, I immediately cut eye-contact from the side so I don’t know which direction she broke eye contact (up, down, side, idk). She was around 21 y.o., 5’3’’, tan, and clothed in a black tank top with dark blue denim SHORT-SHORTS!! She was muscularly dense all around, but a skinny waist - puts a lot of female personal trainers to shame.

Here’s the spherical booty analysis:

She had an ass that wasn’t wide when viewing from the back, but when she turned to the side - wow, it popped out. It’s the type of ass that a girl has to work for tonned, muscular, and pops out! If anyone has seen pictures of Jen Selter, that’s the type of ass I’m talking about. However, this girl has a bigger butt and more muscular legs.

Now back to the story:

After getting to the bottom of the escalator, I turn around and right as I was about to go up the escalator, this chubby, older woman drops her sunglasses between the escalator railings and the floor. She was fighting to go down the ‘up’ escalator and bend over to retrieve her sunglasses. I offer my help and get the sunglasses in front of a lot of people - talk about being social :) After helping her, I see the latina walk by like 40 ft. so I go towards her and right as I get in the same aisle, she leaves. The girl starts walking on the peripheral of the store ALLLL the way to the other end near the camping section. I catch up and find her in an aisle next to an older white lady standing by the backpacks. I pre-open by putting my hand on her shoulder and see her jump a little out of the corner of my eye. She sees me first, so I deliver my direct opener.

Me: Hi

Girl: Oh... gosh! (little surprised by me, but in a quite tone)

Me: I saw you by the elevator and I had to come by and say hi to you

Girl: Oh, wait? Yeah, I remember seeing you (she squared herself to me showing high investment)

Me: Yes, I thought you had a STUNNING outfit and had to go back up. I’m Barry. (hold my hand out)

Girl: Wow…that’s really nice of you! Haha! I’m X (Takes hand and leaves it for a second. She was surprised, but definitely not patronizing. She had a soft tone to her)

Me: I caused a scene to get up here. A lady dropped her sunglasses down the escalator crack and I helped her get it. I guess it’s a lucky day for the both of you!

Girl: Oh, my god! Haha!

Me: So what brings you to this part of the store?

(She immediately hooks and tells me a story how she’s going to Mediterranean Europe for 3 months as an archaeologist. She’s trying to pick out a backpack for the trip. I continue to deep-dive for a minute asking more about her field, but get the realization she’s a chatterbox. It was refreshing how comfortable she was saying nerdy archeology terminology in front of me and going into detail about the trip).

Me: You know (pregnant pause) I like girls who are adventurous (pinched her arm). (Qualifying sexual frame)

Girl: Yeah? (slight moment of tenderness and looked at me before she tried going on another rant about backpacks)

Me: Are you Portuguese? (Cold-read)

Girl: Yeah...I am! (Breaks out of her rant and looks at me again)

Me: Oh, I better watch out then. I heard Portuguese women are a little frisky (raised by eyebrows on the last word).

Girl: Wait, really? I guess so, hmmm (Breaks eye contact, walks 2 ft. away from me towards the backpacks, and starts browsing)

Me: What type of luggage do you need to carry around? This isn’t like an expedition, is it?

Girl: OH, No! Haha! I’m not gonna be outside the whole time backpacking. (Explains how she going from one camp to another)

(At this point, I’ve never been so turned on during a cold-approach)

Me: I think you can rough it. I mean, wow! Look at those arms (Pinching her arm again)

Girl: (Lifts her arms and flexes biceps for me, while making a funny face). I am strong, but I don’t think I could carry all that equipment around all day.

Me: You can’t? Well with this, (gently slaps her butt) I bet you could.

Girl: Wow…um..that was a little forward.

Me: Don’t tell me your not glad (Maintaining my composure and looking from the corner of my eye. Usually this is where the ass slaps get awkward)

Girl: Um, should I be? (Confused, but not sarcastic tone. She’s still looking at me head-on with high investment)

Me: Yes! Actually (pregnant pause) you striked me as the more adventurous type. (sexual frame cold read)

Girl: Huh? I guess I am. I mean I did do a bungie jump on my last trip in X (kinda stars off into the distance towards the backpacks and puts her hand on her chin like she’s thinking).
(WTF that actually work!!!)

Me: Cool. So, what’s your schedule like the rest of the day. We should grab food when you are done buying a backpack.

Girl: Actually, I’m kinda busy today. I leave on Friday and I’ll be gone for 3 months. I have a lot of planning to do (She says it in a disappointing, non-patronizing tone).

Me: But you MUST have a going away party. What’s your schedule like the rest of the week to grab food?

Girl: (Explains how she having a going away tea party that’s all girls where they wear ragged clothes and funny hats. She talks about what’s she’s planning on doing each day until she leaves and how busy it is).

Me: I still think you need a going away party.

Girl: Let me get your number! (I think it was a polite refusal, but at least I number closed :p) No, just put your number in and I’ll text you. Don’t even trip, your name is Barry, right?

She calls me right then, and I give her a kiss on the cheek after saying goodbye. A 1/2 second after I kissed her cheek, I thought I should of gone for a real kiss, but was too turned on to think. Her reaction was unexpected.

Girl: Wow, that was…kinda sweet. (Again sincere and non-patronizing tone. The next moment she turned away from me) Bye Barry!

I texted her an ice breaker 4 hours later and a date text the next day, but did not get a response. I don’t ask for a date the next day, but her case was different b/c she was leaving.

Overview:

This was one of those approaches that made me go numb in the head afterwards for about 15min. After talking to her, I stared at backpacks in the aisle for 5 min. then walked to my car and sat there until I regained my senses. No girl has given me that feeling during cold approach since my first 20 or so approaches. Definitely think of could of gone for the kiss close, but she made me go numb in the head 1/2 way. I’ve just never seen many girls who are THAT hot, plus comfortable saying nerdy terminology at me…..jesus…..
 

R.A.D.

Space Monkey
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Nice way of staying cool and managing the unexpected sometimes those seconds of confusion where a lot of things happen at the same time mess your whole approach, as a coincidence i was practicing pre opening too today and i agree with you that makes situations a lot smoother and reactions different. Nice description of the more gifted part of her body ;)
 

BarryS1

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Nice way of staying cool and managing the unexpected sometimes those seconds of confusion where a lot of things happen at the same time mess your whole approach, as a coincidence i was practicing pre opening too today and i agree with you that makes situations a lot smoother and reactions different.

Thanks, I was hoping the lady at the elevator would be an interesting story to tell for getting her at ease. I'm not sure if it counts as bragging or trying too hard. She was not that shocked at the approach besides the pre-opening part, probably because she's used to being hit on :p

What type of pre-opening works best for you? The eye-contact flirting pre-opening doesn't seem that useful in daygame except if a girl happens to walk in the same aisle at a store. Calling out to a girl or touching the elbow is the only thing that works for me in a high-traffic environment.
 
you miss 100% of the shots you don't take

R.A.D.

Space Monkey
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Im quite used to the eye contact and have different variations for different situations. I dont flirt though i try to make one direct eye contact look and then avoid it until i find a way to approach. For example the other day while waiting the subway which was full of people i saw a tall brunette looking at me, i look at her directly (i look dont stare) and our eyes meet directly for a brief moment. After that I just dissapeared in the crowd and went next to her saying something about rush hour. I try to mix a strong and open enough look that makes an impression as oposed to fixated or long look that could potentially make her feel scared of my intentions. Also sometimes i mix the look with a playful unexpected gesture, like our eyes meet and i wave my hand openly like saying hello, makes them laugh most times and eases the tensión of the approach.

I have to try the touching as a preopener, i realize i only use it as a complement to opening sometimes. Like saying an opener while gently touching the shoulder, grabbing her hand, etc. It always worked well for me that way but now im curious about the effect on different ways of touching prior to opening the interaction, something to explore....
 

BarryS1

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R.A.D. said:
I have to try the touching as a preopener, i realize i only use it as a complement to opening sometimes. Like saying an opener while gently touching the shoulder, grabbing her hand, etc. It always worked well for me that way but now im curious about the effect on different ways of touching prior to opening the interaction, something to explore....

I love touch preopening because its like an antidote to sooo many sticky situations when approaching girls. Thinking back, I've probably lost hundreds of opportunities because the girl wasn't perfectly standing next to me. I don't know why, but I kept looking for a specific situation to use the direct opener - and loosing a lot of girls at the same time :p
 

Rage

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Hey Barry, I liked the approach and your style of the interaction,

I approached 3 older women in the morning and got the smoothest blowouts I’ve ever had. While not happening that often nowadays, older women usually get surprised at my approach and laugh at me. Not this time! While pre-opening with a hand touch on the shoulder, these girls did not raise their voices, but calmly said they were in a rush after a minute or so of talking.

I think you're a younger guy right? I've had that same problem (I'm 20), where I'm younger looking and would feel that older women maybe aren't taking me as seriously as I'd like them to. Besides working on putting on some muscle, growing facial hair, and trying to generally look older in a few other ways, what I found helped me was to internally frame it for myself (in my head) that I'm older and to think of and treat these older women no differently than i would the young chicks I might approach.

For me a lot of it had been in my head that "man, hot milf, wish I weren't so young" but making that paradigm shift, helped my responses from older women quite a bit.

She had an ass that wasn’t wide when viewing from the back, but when she turned to the side - wow, it popped out. It’s the type of ass that a girl has to work for tonned, muscular, and pops out! If anyone has seen pictures of Jen Selter, that’s the type of ass I’m talking about. However, this girl has a bigger butt and more muscular legs.

I think Jen Selter's overrated as fuck haha (you should see her pics before she got her nose job), and that there are chicks with much nice bodies and bigger, better built asses that you can meet at the gym... this girl sounds like that, attractive kind of girl and my type too (I like fit girls).

Me: I think you can rough it. I mean, wow! Look at those arms (Pinching her arm again)

Girl: (Lifts her arms and flexes biceps for me, while making a funny face). I am strong, but I don’t think I could carry all that equipment around all day.

Me: You can’t? Well with this, (gently slaps her butt) I bet you could.

Girl: Wow…um..that was a little forward.

Me: Don’t tell me your not glad (Maintaining my composure and looking from the corner of my eye. Usually this is where the ass slaps get awkward)

Girl: Um, should I be? (Confused, but not sarcastic tone. She’s still looking at me head-on with high investment)

Me: Yes! Actually (pregnant pause) you striked me as the more adventurous type. (sexual frame cold read)

What's the trick for pulling the butt grab off? I like how you kino throughout the interaction... and the butt grab sounds fun, I'll try it ;) lol

This was one of those approaches that made me go numb in the head afterwards for about 15min. After talking to her, I stared at backpacks in the aisle for 5 min. then walked to my car and sat there until I regained my senses. No girl has given me that feeling during cold approach since my first 20 or so approaches.

Hahaha, this makes me laugh because I do this too (thought it was just me, but I guess it happens to other guys too lol)... I think it's only with the girls that I'm really into, or have found really exceptionally hot from approaching. Last time it happened to me was a library approach and I got the girl's number and she was into me, and I went and stared at the books on a random shelf kind of smiling in that same way.. and then a few minutes went by and the thought came in my head "wtf am I doing haha". I'm not sure if the super advanced guys get this still, but if I had to venture a guess, I would guess that they still do: if it's a girl that they like enough, or is like a "love at first sight deal" or something like that, it's only natural to feel like that (even if you can mask it and be smooth/sexy on the surface).

Cool approach, hope to read more

-Gem
 

BarryS1

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I think you're a younger guy right? I've had that same problem (I'm 20), where I'm younger looking and would feel that older women maybe aren't taking me as seriously as I'd like them to. Besides working on putting on some muscle, growing facial hair, and trying to generally look older in a few other ways, what I found helped me was to internally frame it for myself (in my head) that I'm older and to think of and treat these older women no differently than i would the young chicks I might approach.

For me a lot of it had been in my head that "man, hot milf, wish I weren't so young" but making that paradigm shift, helped my responses from older women quite a bit.

Hey Gem! Just turned 23 a couple weeks ago. I agree that growing facial hair and getting larger help. Also, I got better results with complex compliments in the direct opener. I am talking about stringing together adjectives to compliment things like hair, clothing, ect.

For example, instead of, "Hey, I thought you were cute and wanted to say hello." I'll spice up the compliment and say, "Hello, I saw you walking by and I had to say you have a (slight pause) electrifying professional outfit. Really makes a statement." It works so well now, that I can dress like a bum with a white t-shirt, shorts, and vans with hardly any laughs from the older women (maybe like 1 in 5 now) :p

To be honest, I haven't tried changing my vibe yet, but if you are seeing results I'll look into it. Chase has an article about older women and makes the distinction about being an asshole with younger women and cheeky with older. If you are getting results with both, I'm interested in knowing what type of personality/vibe you have. Getting dates from younger girls are my sticking point right now.

What's the trick for pulling the butt grab off? I like how you kino throughout the interaction... and the butt grab sounds fun, I'll try it ;) lol

I forgot to link Zphix's comment on a butt-slapping thread. I'll make an edit and put it in! He talks about using sexual frames with the buttslap. That guy is really great with direct approach and I absolutely trust him with that advice (it worked too). I added gradually increasing the kinos from a handshake to arm pinch to buttslap ;)

Hahaha, this makes me laugh because I do this too (thought it was just me, but I guess it happens to other guys too lol)... I think it's only with the girls that I'm really into, or have found really exceptionally hot from approaching. Last time it happened to me was a library approach and I got the girl's number and she was into me, and I went and stared at the books on a random shelf kind of smiling in that same way.. and then a few minutes went by and the thought came in my head "wtf am I doing haha". I'm not sure if the super advanced guys get this still, but if I had to venture a guess, I would guess that they still do: if it's a girl that they like enough, or is like a "love at first sight deal" or something like that, it's only natural to feel like that (even if you can mask it and be smooth/sexy on the surface).

I was star-struck by dat ass LOL! Hot chicks can fry your brain bro, its awesome! I remember reading articles by Chase that he got a similar feeling when meeting his girlfriends for the first time.

EDIT: Here's the thread that inspired me to do the buttslap: https://boards.girlschase.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=6934#p32604. Thanks Zphix!
 

Rage

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For example, instead of, "Hey, I thought you were cute and wanted to say hello." I'll spice up the compliment and say, "Hello, I saw you walking by and I had to say you have a (slight pause) electrifying professional outfit. Really makes a statement." It works so well now, that I can dress like a bum with a white t-shirt, shorts, and vans with hardly any laughs from the older women (maybe like 1 in 5 now) :p

That's interesting dude.. and seems clever and fitting, I guess because older women have had their fair share of horny guys hit on them, so clever versing on your part sort of sets you apart from them, from the start of the approach.

I've been wondering about dressing like a bum, and sort of have been asking that question that, "how bad can you look and still have women into you because of your fundamentals"? And I've let my appearance, and looks and fashion go out the window quite a bit before, just to see if I stop getting women noticing me and being warm to me... and it may be like slightly less if I'm covering myself up fully in a hoodie or something, but not much like women are still hard attracted... seems funny to me, I wonder if you could teach a homeless guy fundamentals, and have him be able to pull bitches without taking a shower lol

To be honest, I haven't tried changing my vibe yet, but if you are seeing results I'll look into it. Chase has an article about older women and makes the distinction about being an asshole with younger women and cheeky with older. If you are getting results with both, I'm interested in knowing what type of personality/vibe you have. Getting dates from younger girls are my sticking point right now.

To be quite frank Barry, I've been seeing reactions with it and no results yet... I sort of summed up my situation a little while back here: viewtopic.php?f=4&t=6955

At the gym, I'm noticing many older women at the gym that are into me, when pinging them but also when I'm just walking around and doing nothing and shit... but have not gotten further with any of them (while I have gotten further meeting younger girls at the gym and getting dates and day 2's with them).

I think part of the problem for me, I've come to realize is that my heart isn't into laying these older women... part because there's that gap between hot women and beautiful women that I've been trying to pay attention to more lately (they're all "hot women") and part because they're all social circle and all the women I've gotten dates and lays from at the gym have consistently been cold approach (and girls who I've gone on to not see regularly at the gym).

My vibe/personality is dominant and "devil-may-care" sort of vibe, where I'm smoother and more rebellious seeming... oh!! one big thing that I think helps get older women into you (I have no experience with girls 10+ years older than me, but aside from that, most of the girls I've dated, and the couple of serious relationships I've had have been girls a few years older than me), that's at least worked a lot for me is having a byronic look to yourself, and being sort of angsty, damaged, and dark in that sense.

I embody that naturally quite a bit when I'm lifting, because I'll train hard and kind of be angry at the weights, and not give a shit about other things or people while lifting... a good example of this, my avatar Tom Hardy portrays that sort of character really well in this scene (a character that has a mix of toughness/sheer agression and soft, emotive byronic vulnerability to contrast it in a mesmerizing sort of way): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gLVldaXtpOM

I forgot to link Zphix's comment on a butt-slapping thread. I'll make an edit and put it in! He talks about using sexual frames with the buttslap. That guy is really great with direct approach and I absolutely trust him with that advice (it worked too). I added gradually increasing the kinos from a handshake to arm pinch to buttslap ;)

Zphix is boss haha; and I see how it's polarizing from what you guys were saying in the thread (girls getting turned off or massively turned on) .... dude I realized now one thing that I've done many times before in my approaches that is separate from grabbing a girl's ass but relevant and fun: is taking a girl's hand and having her grab your ass... I have an okay butt from lifting, and have messed around with girls because of it.

Some examples of stuff I've done... notice girl glance at my ass and take her hand and have her grab it; notice girl look and then tell her "um hey, my eyes are up here, (sigh) all girls care about is sex, I wish you'd care about my personality more"; walking down the street, then whip around all of a sudden to see a girl that was looking at your ass who glances the other way to play it off.. and call her out on it then, and go meet her.

Those are some things I've done... but I'm gonna try that butt grab next, I feel like I have so incredibly much more to learn and do .. so will keep experimenting and making gradual progress in the meantime ;)

-Gem
 
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