The biggest epiphany I've had about women, game and life to date. (Long Post)

[Indian Race Troll (IRT)]

@naturalmikey

Todd V is the fucking man, the system I have right now where I go out at least 3 nights a week approach is because of him and only him. I would not have had that system had I not come across one of his videos. The thing with me is that I never really got good with women in the sense of having a system down, it never happened like that for me. In hindsight, all of this was me having to rely on instinct at times with going for girls that I could just sense loved me. I did some degree of random approaching of having to rely on luck but I suck at dealing with harsh rejections LOL. Granted, I was 15 lbs lighter back then too.

 

[Indian Race Troll (IRT)]

If I had to explain one way this epiphany has helped me immensely is that now, I am starting to be focused on getting good with women and on actually working on my game. Now I can see the benefit in the power of going up to a bar or nightclub and having the game to talk to random women. Even when I had somewhat of a social circle, I found power in being the guy who does not have to rely on it to meet women but can do it on the fly.

Ideally, I would like to get to a level where I am not just fucking random women or even having relationships and FWBs but I am actually getting women as social benefits. I have women to bring to events, can be part of their circles with them, meet people through them, and grow my social life as a result of being good with women. I'd ideally love to get to that level as that is my long-term goal and my end-game but at the same time, I do not want it for just the cool factor either, it just feels good talking to and hanging out with cool people and sharing experiences with them.

Now I am not as bitter about the past or even that gung-ho on the "college experience" or missing out, it's past me and I can look towards the future.

 

[Shake&Bake]

@Oh Pry if you go out a lot you’ll catch traction. i don’t know exactly what happens. i guess your ras tunes into receptive girls but you catch fire. you start getting approached a lot and you start approaching the right girls. also girls become extremely predictable. it took me about a year of consistently going out for it become automatic. after my recent breakup it took about three months. it’s easy to get back to whatever level of success you previously had then you’ll build on it. are you studying content and field testing it? it speeds things up considerably. id find someone whose content resonates with you. for me my personality is probably mostly like todd v. i’m very reserved and introverted. yet oddly i rarely resonate with his content. rsd julien probably helped me the most. his personality is so much different than mine it really got me out of my shell. the commonality is we both have that really fucked up sense of humor. the articles here, specifically the ones written by chase are also very good. he seems quite scholarly. chase also has a rationale male review. if you don’t want to read the entire book i’d check out his review.

if you’ve never read the rationale male this book review summarized it pretty well

Book Review: The Rational Male by Rollo Tomassi

A review of The Rational Male, a book focused at upending fem-centric thinking in men and teaching them to think like men again. Rollo Tomassi’s book, The Rational Male, is an amalgamation of essays from content on his own website, The Rational Male, and other dating advice forums where he...

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How did you sleep with 100 women? What's your secret?

 

[naturalmikey]

How did you sleep with 100 women? What's your secret?

i didn’t in a year. i estimate 75 at the highest and that year was mostly from tinder.

based on my estimation i’ve been with somehwhere between 200-300 women probably towards the higher end with maybe half coming from online. of the remaining half 2/3 cold approach and 1/3 social circle.

the key is consistency with cold approach. consistently go out, consistently approach, consistently study content, and consistently field test based on your own theories and what’s worked on others. also stuff like looks, height, race, status, iq, relatability, ability to connect and to disconnect emotionally, and also to a lesser extent money are going to factor into it as well. a lot of guys will never be able to get the results i got. a lot of guys will be able to get my results easier.

 

[Sub-Zero]

i didn’t in a year. i estimate 75 at the highest and that year was mostly from tinder.

based on my estimation i’ve been with somehwhere between 200-300 women probably towards the higher end with maybe half coming from online. of the remaining half 2/3 cold approach and 1/3 social circle.

the key is consistency with cold approach. consistently go out, consistently approach, consistently study content, and consistently field test based on your own theories and what’s worked on others. also stuff like looks, height, race, status, iq, relatability, ability to connect and to disconnect emotionally, and also to a lesser extent money are going to factor into it as well. a lot of guys will never be able to get the results i got. a lot of guys will be able to get my results easier.

Do you think it’s still possible to pull notches like that off tinder in this day and age? I keep hearing that it’s super over saturated n shit.

Did sleeping with 75 a year take away anything else you needed to do or was it easy enough where it didn’t mess up the balance in your life?

Like were you able to still get enough sleep for work, go to the gym, etc. without it being too time consuming?

and how long did it take you to get to 200-300 lays?

 

[Shake&Bake]

i didn’t in a year. i estimate 75 at the highest and that year was mostly from tinder.

based on my estimation i’ve been with somehwhere between 200-300 women probably towards the higher end with maybe half coming from online. of the remaining half 2/3 cold approach and 1/3 social circle.

the key is consistency with cold approach. consistently go out, consistently approach, consistently study content, and consistently field test based on your own theories and what’s worked on others. also stuff like looks, height, race, status, iq, relatability, ability to connect and to disconnect emotionally, and also to a lesser extent money are going to factor into it as well. a lot of guys will never be able to get the results i got. a lot of guys will be able to get my results easier.

Can you do some demos of yourself?

 

[naturalmikey]

Can you do some demos of yourself?

like infields? @Chase if i were to do this would i be allowed to post it?

 

[naturalmikey]

Do you think it’s still possible to pull notches like that off tinder in this day and age? I keep hearing that it’s super over saturated n shit.

Did sleeping with 75 a year take away anything else you needed to do or was it easy enough where it didn’t mess up the balance in your life?

Like were you able to still get enough sleep for work, go to the gym, etc. without it being too time consuming?

and how long did it take you to get to 200-300 lays?

i don’t sleep much compared to other people. a lot of nights i sleep three or four hours. then sometimes on a day off i will also like fifteen though. but usually very little. that helps. basically i was working, going to the gym, going on tinder dates and going out. the going out was far more time consuming than tinder. two dates a week got those results. and it’s not like i’m glued to my phone. responding relatively slow gets better results usually.

yes it’s possible today. maybe a month ago i dialed back going our considerably and am using tinder mostly now. i had a chick come over last night. i’d say tinder is now the easiest it’s been in years in los angeles. normally la trends follow about a year later in the rest of the country. so id look for that to spread elsewhere soon.

tinder is saturated with guys with no game. i had this girl sendin me screenshots of other guys convos. you should see them. it’s really bad.

 

[Shake&Bake]

like infields? @Chase if i were to do this would i be allowed to post it?

Just post it in YouTube

 

[naturalmikey]

okay. are you in la? wanna record me. is anyone here in la and willing to record me?

 

[Shake&Bake]

okay. are you in la? wanna record me. is anyone here in la and willing to record me?

I live in Florida bro. I guess you could just cold approach and record the conversations with your phone in your pocket

 

[naturalmikey]

I live in Florida bro. I guess you could just cold approach and record the conversations with your phone in your pocket

i guess the words are only part of it though. body language is where a lot of flirting comes from. have you ever watched julien blancs infields? most of my body language and facial expressions come from him. i could record stuff but you’d basically be like nothing seems that special. you would probably assume it’s just my looks. which definitely plays a part in it. but they never got me very far on their own. and i’m not that hot either.

 

[Shake&Bake]

i guess the words are only part of it though. body language is where a lot of flirting comes from. have you ever watched julien blancs infields? most of my body language and facial expressions come from him. i could record stuff but you’d basically be like nothing seems that special. you would probably assume it’s just my looks. which definitely plays a part in it. but they never got me very far on their own. and i’m not that hot either.

Do you have any friends that can record for you? Also if you can't get a friend I'll take what I can get and just listen to the audio recordings

 

[Sub-Zero]

i don’t sleep much compared to other people. a lot of nights i sleep three or four hours. then sometimes on a day off i will also like fifteen though. but usually very little. that helps. basically i was working, going to the gym, going on tinder dates and going out. the going out was far more time consuming than tinder. two dates a week got those results. and it’s not like i’m glued to my phone. responding relatively slow gets better results usually.

yes it’s possible today. maybe a month ago i dialed back going our considerably and am using tinder mostly now. i had a chick come over last night. i’d say tinder is now the easiest it’s been in years in los angeles. normally la trends follow about a year later in the rest of the country. so id look for that to spread elsewhere soon.

tinder is saturated with guys with no game. i had this girl sendin me screenshots of other guys convos. you should see them. it’s really bad.

So what was your exact strategy while doing tinder that year? Did you use super likes and boost? Did you just swipe right on everything? Did you delete your profile every other week?

And how long did it take you to get to 200-300 lays? Was that mostly from tinder?

 

[Teevster]

Note: I am NOT posting as a "moderator" here (or in the following comments), but as an individual poster sharing my skepticism. I will for these reasons refrain from moderating this thread.

How about just posting a report? Or actually answer the question the other poster above asked - which was...

How did you sleep with 100 women? What's your secret?

From as far as I can tell you have dodged this question. The only content you have shared so far has been "go for greens" in another post - which anyone with some actual field experience knows this simply is not coherent with reality.

You have also on numerous occasion taken up an "anti-theoretical" stand and basically claiming that pick up should not consist of complex theories. You also disregarded the need for more advanced theories, which are required in order to increase result consistency.



Things simply do NOT add-up.

 

[Teevster]

The numbers game + good looks can get you results.... to a CERTAIN extent.

Doing 75 lays a year would at LEAST result in a better theoretical understand of the game, social dynamics and women than you seem to show here (you show the most basic and superficial degree of understanding). Your technical understand of game is apparently very low, since "you just go for greens". For those who consider this a viable strategy understand that:

- Women need to be into you from the get-go to be obvious greens. Being good looking or high value helps here. so it is not "just go for greens". It is easier for some than others. Even good looking guys with high value will not get that many greens because most women will actually judge a man by his first impression by distance, but the real assessment of the man takes place WITHIN THE INTERACTION.
- Spotting those signs of interest can be HARD in chaotic environment - so it is not that easy to SPOT THEM - here we have an epistemic limitation.
- Women who may be into you, due to their submissive nature will RARELY display that much interest from the get-go - making it hard to see whether she is "red" or "green". Women would hold back signs of interest as a mean to test the man in question. This is ESPECIALLY the case for women of HIGH SMV (sexual market value). So even if the woman is into you from the get go, she may not show it.
- Women may be really into you, and actually be a GREEN without actually making things any easier for you. She may get overstimulated (female state control) or actually have very high levels of anti-slut defense.... making her "hard to get" despite being into you. The idea that "attraction" necessarily leads to sex is a flawed and over simplified view of pick up. Her showing strong signs of interest does not necessarily increase the odds of her going home with you.
- Now consider she is a sexually confident girl and also into you (no ASD and high level of interest) other contextual factors, which you NEVER EVER mention can also play in.

Naturalmikey method has a lot of theoretical flaws that would have to be answered in order to be seen as a legit method here. Until then, all his claims will remain questionable in my book.

I know people who pull approx as many girls a year, myself included, but he shares no similarities with them. They have technical understanding, theoretical understand and usually have a pretty advanced arsenal at their disposal. Naturalmikey has none of them.

My advice to readers of this forum, would be to take any statement about lay count with a serious grain of salt, and judge the skill and the value of the poster by the usefulness of the content. This is how it has been done historically, where people have gained ranks and respect in this community as a result of their content and the success others have had with it. Lay counts was never really a predominant factor (not claiming it does not matter - we simply barely talk about it - actually the pros talks about ratio over lay count. )

So no sorry to disappoint you gentlemen, there ain't no such a thing as a free lunch.

Best,

 

[Sub-Zero]

The numbers game + good looks can get you results.... to a CERTAIN extent.

Doing 75 lays a year would at LEAST result in a better theoretical understand of the game, social dynamics and women than you seem to show here (you show the most basic and superficial degree of understanding). Your technical understand of game is apparently very low, since "you just go for greens". For those who consider this a viable strategy understand that:

- Women need to be into you from the get-go to be obvious greens. Being good looking or high value helps here. so it is not "just go for greens". It is easier for some than others. Even good looking guys with high value will not get that many greens because most women will actually judge a man by his first impression by distance, but the real assessment of the man takes place WITHIN THE INTERACTION.
- Spotting those signs of interest can be HARD in chaotic environment - so it is not that easy to SPOT THEM - here we have an epistemic limitation.
- Women who may be into you, due to their submissive nature will RARELY display that much interest from the get-go - making it hard to see whether she is "red" or "green". Women would hold back signs of interest as a mean to test the man in question. This is ESPECIALLY the case for women of HIGH SMV (sexual market value). So even if the woman is into you from the get go, she may not show it.
- Women may be really into you, and actually be a GREEN without actually making things any easier for you. She may get overstimulated (female state control) or actually have very high levels of anti-slut defense.... making her "hard to get" despite being into you. The idea that "attraction" necessarily leads to sex is a flawed and over simplified view of pick up. Her showing strong signs of interest does not necessarily increase the odds of her going home with you.
- Now consider she is a sexually confident girl and also into you (no ASD and high level of interest) other contextual factors, which you NEVER EVER mention can also play in.

Naturalmikey method has a lot of theoretical flaws that would have to be answered in order to be seen as a legit method here. Until then, all his claims will remain questionable in my book.

I know people who pull approx as many girls a year, myself included, but he shares no similarities with them. They have technical understanding, theoretical understand and usually have a pretty advanced arsenal at their disposal. Naturalmikey has none of them.

My advice to readers of this forum, would be to take any statement about lay count with a serious grain of salt, and judge the skill and the value of the poster by the usefulness of the content. This is how it has been done historically, where people have gained ranks and respect in this community as a result of their content and the success others have had with it. Lay counts was never really a predominant factor (not claiming it does not matter - we simply barely talk about it - actually the pros talks about ratio over lay count. )

So no sorry to disappoint you gentlemen, there ain't no such a thing as a free lunch.

Best,

How long did it take you to get that many lays a year, how often did you go out, and where did you get most of your success at? Day game, night game, online, social?

 

[naturalmikey]

well @Teevster this may be hard for you to believe, but there are a lot of players out there who don't use hypnotism or nlp. that seems to be what you define as technical game. i mean i posted a folder full of girls. not just girls, but very hot girls all time and date stamped, most from my snapchat. follow me if you like. i would post pics of every girl if it were allowed, because i stand by my results. at the end of the day, girls like to fuck. you do not have to hypnotize them. most view stacking rehearsed stories on top of each other as contrived. it just seems silly and unnecesary to me.

here is how i got to my first hundred:

prior to getting married, i had been with somewhere between 35-50 girls. i have no idea really. in college most of my friends were black athletes. i mostly emulated what they did. they just didn't really give a fuck. i also got some easy lays being the only white guy around sometimes. i've also always lifted weights when single, which helps tremendously.

in 2016 i got on tinder. @Sub-Zero there was no boost at this time. i paid like $10 a month for premium so i could swipe unlimited. i would us game concepts that i learned from rsd in the texts and then on the dates. most of the 75 lays in that year came from this. i was posting tinder conversations. but that is not allowed now either. i'm copying and pasting texts to help guys with their texting currently. i don't post the ones where girls open me with "your gorgeous," like one of my current fbs did. i'm seeing her tonight. if you want my snap i can have her snap you. she's pretty hot lol.

anyway i doubt i've hit 100 from cold approach unless you include the ones from before pickup, if you do i am almost certainly there. that would be of more relevance i guess. although nowadays i'd say online is equally to a lot of guy. i spent almost a year going out an average of 3 times per week and seldom pulling. my first pull was like three months in. i got head in a pickup truck in austin texas. it would be another six months until i'd pull to close. luckily i was getting laid on tinder a lot.

after about nine months shit started to pick up. the first lay reports here are from around that time. i was stoked to get lays back to back weeks with the tinder in between.

LR+ - my old lay reports. more to come

these were from the rsd forum. i found them with the wayback machines. not all will load though and my favorite is one of them. anyway good to remember when i first really started pimpin. Tuesday August 8 2017 Had drinks with friends at house. Then walked to local bar. Me and friend approached...

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i used to post lay reports on rsdnation regularly. i used to wayback machine and found some but most weren't available. but theres a few in that link.

but yea it was a lot of rejection for a long time. also a lot of going direct. it started to work. but around maybe january of 2018 i discovered swinggcat. trying to implement his shit my game took a huge step backwards. i was already doing a lot of the stuff he recommended but hadn't gotten anywhere near where he was at. after a few months of studying him my game was next level. in july of 2018 i was dating two certified stunner chicks. one was a college student who become my girlfriend. one was an acctress whose movie roles were things like "hot chick." i would spend the next year in a committed relationship in which would only cheat a couple times.

between june of 2017 and august of 2018 i probably slept with fifty chicks for cold approach. since my breakup i estimated recently another thirty in the past six months. i've written two field reports since. i'll post them both below. i have pics of both chicks, but i'm not allowed to post them.

the moral of the story is, it's hard work for anyone. but it requires no knowledge of hypnotism whatsoever. girls really do like to fuck. here are technical concepts i use off the top of my head:

qualifying and disqualfying the girl
disqualifying and dhving myself
push pull
push pull with emotional vulnerability - it's different with you shit
intrigue - can i tell you something, can you keep a secret
role playing
blaming the chick
disqualifying sex
using we language

then there's the basic stuff like making eye contact, leading, speaking loud, downward tonality, and escalating. and i hate to break it to, considering i know how hard you try, but you can get laid fairly consistently just by those five things and approaching enough. it really isn't that hard. i think you guys overcomplicate it personally. question me all you want. i had no problem proving my results, but the kibosh has but put on that whole thing.

but i do like that you frame that i don't do anything technical when my posts completely suggest otherwise. i just think the stuff you do is silly. maybe it works for you. i don't know, nor do i really care. i don't think more than a handful of people are having success the way you do. but a lot of people are getting laid. maybe just because people do stuff differently than you it doesn't make them wrong. if you're that focused on being right, i feel sorry for you honestly. this should be fun

LR - Thursday bar game

I started out at my normal bar. This bar is where 90% of my pulls come from. This cute short blonde chick approached me. She’s early thirties and a high five. She’d likely been a high six ten years ago. Regardless she’s never been that hot. She’s drunk and soft spoken an odd combination. She...

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LR - 8+ daytime pull

Went out to a bar near the beach on sunday. i went with my friend, his girlfriend, and their cute dog. i hadn't seen them much recently so i pretty much stayed seated with them on an outdoor couch. there had been one girl who i was decidedly interested in. when i had gotten up to use the...

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[naturalmikey]

@Teevster this whole red yellow green thing is stupid. the idea that there are three ways to classify a girls interest. almost all girls require game. it's rare a girl is truly green. but also how often is a girl truly yellow, like totally indifferent. i focus on girls who give me a chance. it's pretty rare they're just dtf. although, that does happen. usually girls are either open or not open. sometimes they'll flat out reject you harshly and sometimes they'll just be ready to go. i find both those two to be rare. almost always they're friendly and either will give you a chance or won't. most of this pickup jargon is complete nonsense.

 

[naturalmikey]

@Teevster here's a challenge. we use the same pictures of the same guy and make a tinder account a month apart. we spoof out location with google chrome to the same city. let's see who does better. it's the only way to make everything even. if you have so much better of an understanding of women than me this should be an easy challenge for you.