The Complete guide to Physical game

[Skills]

Guys i decided to write this post cause if you are out on the field you notice social dynamics have changed a bit, we are going back to the future, in other words things are trending back to the past from clothes (baggy clothes from 90, shorts with sneaker showing socks from 80s etc...)....

So after corona i commented to my private crew that i saw something crazy the clubs were like "back in the day".... I attributed this to the artificial surge after people being locked up getting to go to clubs "freedom".... I was kind of right, after couple of weeks clubs went back to based level, BUT there is still cont. to be micro changes....

On my post of years of reviews you notice in my year review of 2021 i mention physical game comming back, then in my review of 2022 i said physical game is almost 100% back.... So yeah physical game is back...

However most of you don't know what is physical game, you think is only touching... Touching is just a small part of it, problem with forums and pick up is we try to simplify what we are saying so here i will explain what is physical escalation/physical game, cause touching is just a small part of it.... You can do physical game even with barely or no touching get me?? so i will break down in a practical way what i believe is physical game..

Physical game is just a minimalistic style of game more like natural game without reliance of what we call tech/second gen./routines/gambits

What is second gen (by cosy/cody lyons)???

"You VERBALISE she isnt a slut (though not directly)
You VERBALISE your understanding of her secret society view on life
You VERBALISE feelings on sex
You VERBALISE the extent of your mind and its workings equal to hers
You VERBALISE a level of intelligence and sophistication regarding approaches you have

And by verbalising FREE HER FROM HAVING TO ASSUME OR GUESS ABOUT THE FACTS
She is then RELIEVED of having to guess
and thusly can INTERNALISE beliefs she would have otheerwise DOUBTED or not internalised beecause of fear of being wrong

It also contains a lot of indirect sex talk to arouse her as part of the above (teevester stuff)..."

^ now we still use and know second gen. but the use has been dropped supper drastically or have become overkill at times, AS OF LATELY... Now this is not to discourage learning tech or second gen, if you know ju jit su and most of your fights 1 on 1 you win doing jujitsu but you are fighting 3 guys would not be better to know jujitsu and muah thay.. Get me we still learned it, got laid from it etc... But just the use due to environment has drastically dropped from previous years...

I said this on another post, let me give you context after 2013 clubs started a sharp decline with the last of the millennials, physical game stop working cause most of sexually available girls, what we call down to fuck went to tinder, dating apps and social media so they totally disappear from clubs, read this article of what was happening for context... Second gen was working amazing i went in multiple fucking streaks using second gen/teevester stuff that let to total burn outs at times...

Physical game was you able with doing less convey social frame, emotional frame, sexual frame that you can deliver the good by way of subcommunications (behaviors/actions vs tech)... you could do this and get laid more than guys are getting laid now a days 3 lays a week doing this was normal and common, consistently let me repeat consistently, day game, night game did not matter...


physical game never left.

Physical game = physical escalation with surface level conversation. No tailored verbal conversation with the purpose of turning her on.

The "tailored verbal conversation with the purpose of turning her on" = what i like to call "second generation verbals"

So when i say

"Physical game coming back"

I mean to say, a return to physically escalating without second gen.

Because physical game = physical escalation with surface level conversation.


^ so is basically back to 2010 lol, guys that used to do this type of game are even back on the scene a bit good looking loser, scotty (gll mentor), 60 yoc (flirting on youtube), wrapped mindless... Though i don't think other than scotty they are active sargin much... but my point is that type of style may work again now a days we used to call it screening... But i now hate the term cause implies blow me in blow me out type game and is not what it is...I don't really know why physical game made a return other than because i think women are getting online fatigue/social media fatigue... or maybe is leveling off, dunno... this may have cause a bigger % of what we call sexually available down to fuck women out.... It may be more sexually openness attitudes in this generation... Dunno! But all i know is back...You can also read more lay reports in the forum than previous year and they are no techy techy...



I will cover practically what is physical game other than "bro go touch and escalate"


For me physical game has multiple components (the terms don't google cause i am making them up on my field experience):

Presence: A sexual stereotype, or a look, a style... I am not going to go black pill but the water is wet shit a look and a style hopefully unique and above average... Cause again in physical game there is more reliance on the girl making assumptions on you... If you are stylish, muscular, good body language, good presence.... She is none verbally assuming stuff on you and taking mental notes... If you don't have this you are better of cont. with the verbal style game. here is sample(credit for all sample @Rakehell :

Vibe: -Vibe is an attitude hopefully a lover attitude vs a boyfriend one... It is also for me just shooting the shit, so you are just none verbally feeling each other presence and there is an attraction a curiosity but not sexual per se yet in other words her vagina is not necessarily tingling or getting wet.... If Verbally is you fluffing and not being boring and she showing interest and puppy bowl eyes on what you got a say no matter the style deep dive, cocky funny, grandmaster, frames, spiking bt, teases, second gen but not to arouse etc... all that shit community teaches or just talking but she is captivated and attracted, but again no sexual per se yet.... But again it has to be MAN TO WOMAN for context here. sample:

Bubbles: A bubble means that you and her are in sync inside a giant bubble with not sounds, no distraction, ultra focus on each other, people around are frozen.... IN a club is you and her in your own made up world, you two are hyper focus and feeling all emotions and nothing else around matters...

microescalations: micro escalation is just a risk adverse form of escalation, mini escalations vs a big escalation move... if i stay quiet look at her eyes and get close to her face NONE VERBALLY, and she gets tense and i back off, she is not verbally rejecting me she just gave me an indication of were she is at none verbally and i can back off and try some other escalation or same one when she is more receptive... Read 60 post here to learn micro escalations...

Sexual tension: now we are getting somewhere you and her are together and either both of you are turn on and she is turn on (her blood flowing to her vagina), she is getting exited, this can be done by micro escalating and actually touching... But you can also do it without touching via containment....

containment is also part of physical game by ijjjji:

Containment​

07-04-2014, 06:08 PM

A vibe (short for 'vibration', aka radiance/transmitted emotion/aura etcetc..) draws ALL its dramaturgical leverage (energy/impact) from the sense that what is seen, is just a minor part of something vastly greater. That its just a small trickle coming from an entire raging river, just beneath the surface (Song: Yta = surface).

IOW, if someone looks at you in an emotionally charged way, you can glimpse the things they feel like doing to you.

It is this glimpsing, that creates the whole dramatic energy. OTOH if they act openly in full congruence with their vibe, the whole drama/intensity vanishes instantly.
-Picture a fairly attractive person, deliberately rotating slowly towards you, perfectly controlling a cool composure, except for locking eyes with you for a single erotically charged second.
-Now picture the same person instead attempting to literally hump your leg, while staring at you with a drunkishly aroused facial expression...

Re-cap: intense vibe/drama comes down to only one thing: Letting your vibe speak loudly while CONTAINING your physical actions.

Especially in regard to horny vibes, you can quickly feel that the CONTAINED energy from doing this, densifies to an energy-storm inside you. When you are in this INNER STORM STATE, the glimpses that others perceive become more breath taking, simply because they sense the growing DIVIDE between your calm exterior and the raging energy underneath. That sense that imminent eruption is unavoidable....

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Okay but what are practical ways of doing this, when out partying in bars and clubs?

Firstly, CONTAINMENT is 90% about TEMPO, since any eruption of any kind starts with a sharp acceleration. So, most of all, CONTAIN YOUR TEMPO. Which means that you should be a bit like a stalking panther, in absolutely all your movements. But especially.... when there is obvious reason towards speeding up!! Because nothing communicates CONTAINMENT better than controlling tempo in JUST such situations.. (Not moving at all is the ultimate form of this. Same often goes for SILENCE!! Check out some of the oldest Clint Eastwood movies..)

Secondly, NOT letting your desires make you do things prematurely(**). Like making out (please recall the leg-humping example from above!)

(Shyness, real or enacted, actually works well as a type of attractive containment, as long as you can manage to not fully break the connection. IOW, shyness is sexy as long as you manage to not fully kill the conversation.)

Thirdly, doing something, which is a lot LESS than your vibe would suggest. Example: caressing her cheek über gently, while your eyes say you want to fuck her so hard she cant walk next day. (Or talking über polite and softly to a scumbag who just pissed you off, while your vibe is fuming with rage.. this is the type of stuff all great drama is made from.)

(**: All things are premature, until they can be done as the 'LESS THAN EXPECTED', described above.)

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So you will:
-move like panther and slow-turn for drama
-set people on fire with your eyes and energy - NOT your hands/tongue/cock etc..
-when you engage physically, you will do a lot LESS than expected from your eyes/energy at that point..

All this CONTAINMENT of energy will build and build inside you, until it feels like the very AIR around you is electrified..

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(Yes this is just a vastly improved way of expressing what I earlier tried to communicate using the word 'vacuum'. (Vacuum being nothing more than a byproduct of containment, hence a silly starting point for trying to explain. Sorry about that. Feel free to re-read my vacuum threads in light of this improved explanation though, if you have the time/inclination.)

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Next kissing by Glow:

Think of and learn to understand kissing as just a part of escalation and not consider it such as single key move of impact. Sixty, sleazy and the letter etc taught us that long time ago. The overemphasis on kissing is just popular belief and clumsy make-out types. As an example of what the community has taught us is that we can just reframe what kissing is through sexual nuance delivered eg verbally as eg. teevster has taught and showed us long time ago can be done with sex talk related doings. And there are many models for handling this.

You wanna Look at how you kiss - eg kiss to excite and arouse is different from all in makeouts, sensory kissing etc. if you kiss to arouse and swerve it in sexual frames and sensitivity to her the ASD will not happen. And there are ways to manage her past that point. Especially if you combine it with playfulness, use of silent space, proximity and other stimulators that smoothns it all up. This is just a majority as if shes already sexually activated you can use it differently.

To OP - best move for you is to look at micro escalation from MASF days - sixty years of challenge and try to understand the small points of micro escalation before the kiss. eg use of slowed down proximity to arouse. eg escalating the vibe and using silence etc.

Then expand your understanding of that to create moments and sensing where she is on the dates instead of caring too much about the kiss. all the moments we can make as part of escalatory doings. moments of deep bliss, moments of pure sexuality, moments of nostalgic romanticism etc. its on moments, discretion behaviours etc.

Moments and how you kiss can create a whole different experience of the kiss for her. The starting point is ofc where she is for how you engage. But the seductive challenge is to alter that initially if shes back heeling on it for whatever mental reasons.

Example: Just move close to her and oose and relax in closer proximity w her. Your bodies and the space will do the work. You can either do this w silence or as you stroll along something, more subtle. This creates a moment between you where she feels something. playfully pushing her will too. aligning your face after she speaks and holding the silence for a few secs will too. leading her around the place a bit behind her, hand on her waist will too. maybe a more firm look or presence to emphasise a more dominant or purposeful vibe. Appreciating something she does explicitly is a sensual-affectionate smoothner too etc etc. each forms soft points or moments that enables your moves. This all happens in with other things you do as you interact but provide the escalatory layer and momentum between you. Sixty outlines a simple model thats good for learning this.

Also consider her state - if shes sexually aroused and has hit a carefree mood its no prob. the date setup should be adjusted to provide a frame that stimulates the right thing eg sexuality and wildness instead of oldscool courtship etc. Ofc. this needs to b related to her and her starting point for things. but take charge of these things smartly. Work it. Know your influence.

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Finally.-
Leading/killer instinct/persistence: I will summarize as not being comfortable with going good type interactions with the attitude is going good and having good feelings and i don't want to mess this up ...Then settling for phone number or social media but to pretty much go for the dick in pussy.

sample kind of weak i would never say "do you want to" i would lead but you get the point:

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Tldr.- Physical game is not going up to a girl and touching, that is the view most of you get when the subject comes up, touching is small part of it... Physical game is back specially in the club environment, you should either field test more physicality or add to your current style, cause that is were women are currently trending more than previous years for whatever reason... If you know why let me know, i personally think app fatigue....

 

[Skills]

Man this post came across all fucked up.... Cause people misunderstood what i am saying..... (my fault)...... and i can't edit will have to contact a mod to fix it...

What i am saying is more women that are dtf for whatever reason are out specially clubs.... (really green) so a minimalistic physical game is back to working like in 2010 era...

So here we go with the analogy...... You are selling iphones, you approach a girl at the mall and you tell her "hey i got this new iphone at a discount" she looks at the iphone and say: "how much?" you give her the price and she pulls out her credit card... I don't need to then, say omg! this is the right decision you will not regret it, you can access internet on it, and has amazing pictures, my company is legit, i am not scammer etc.... " is overkill she already wanted and bought the iphone..... aka she is green dtf, so saying all that unnecessary.... This is what i mean in the context you don't need second gen here or the other tech stuff cause is overkill.... This is what most of us as lately have been experiencing specially in clubs.....

however not all the customers are going to be this green, some still want to think about it even if they want to or some need more convincing or want to buy later...... (these are the ones you do more second gen) for example on a lukewarm girl that is having some hidden objections, or is trying to delay sex.... You still need INFLUENCE and second gen gives in my opinion the highest odds....

let me give a good example here the seducer may get lay with no second gen in second encounter, but with second gen he MAY have been able to lay her faster on first date... get me? odds wise...

Or you have a maybe/yellow girl that is not giving you anything and you need to sexualize cause she is not dtf.....

So in summary more dtf out these days, so physical game since they are dtf will do....

Calibration if she is dtf (a lot of it coming back out) physical game will work, second gen may be overselling overkill, therefore actually may backfired....

If the girl giving you some resistance, no ready to go, more yellowish or trying to delay second gen still gives the best odds....

Obviously i still advocate for a combination (physical plus verbal) but my point is since a lot more dtf for whatever reason coming out may not be needed...

 

[Atlas IV]

Bumping this post for newer guys to see.

I think there's a lot of misunderstanding around what physical game really is, including from myself before I read this post. Perhaps the word "physical" itself is kind of misleading, since it's actually about attraction through fundamentals (eye contact, proximity, voice tonality, AND touch). It's an epiphany to me that you can do physical game without even touching a girl.

This is definitely the direction I want to take my game. 2nd gen verbals (Teevster's sex talk gambits) are really powerful and I use them to great success, but as Skills pointed out you won't always need them if she's already DTF. Having strong fundamentals on the other hand will carry you through every seduction whether she's DTF or needs some comfort/persuasion.

 

[Skills]

Bumping this post for newer guys to see.

I think there's a lot of misunderstanding around what physical game really is, including from myself before I read this post. Perhaps the word "physical" itself is kind of misleading, since it's actually about attraction through fundamentals (eye contact, proximity, voice tonality, AND touch). It's an epiphany to me that you can do physical game without even touching a girl.

This is definitely the direction I want to take my game. 2nd gen verbals (Teevster's sex talk gambits) are really powerful and I use them to great success, but as Skills pointed out you won't always need them if she's already DTF. Having strong fundamentals on the other hand will carry you through every seduction whether she's DTF or needs some comfort/persuasion.

is needed to address obvious objections and hidden objections, or to pre-empt possible objections you are forecasting or guesstimating.... Or to make some possible weak closes stronger....

Also, i do a lot of night game, mostly now a days no needed..... But on second encounters night game, texting, and online dating/day gaming dates definitely needed and useful specially with girls not letting you escalate a lot physically...

But for whatever reason the last couple of years the stock of physical vs verbal going similar to the back in the days...