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I found myself with my flatmate in the most pull-able bar in town. The music for some reason is absolutely atrocious and we are not having the best of times. Any attempt to open thus far has gotten us blown out. A bitchy girl even told me to go away which hasn’t happened in ages.

I am by the bar and all of a sudden all these don’t matter anymore, as I catch the cutest most feminine girl looking at me. Around 5’3”, light brown hair, green eyes, slim body and a perfect face. We lock eyes and I tell her Hi, she says hi and shyly looks away. I offer her my hand and she takes it reluctantly, I just pull her decisively into me and ask her what’s her name while interlocking fingers. We are in full body contact straight away, within a minute she starts resting her hands behind my neck hugging me.

After being stuck in my head that’s all it took to get in the zone, I start teasing her and vibing with her, found out that she’s Lithuanian, make her guess where I am from and playfully pretended that I am insulted at her wrong guesses. Let’s call her Kim for the shake of the story.

Kim : Do you live here?
Me: Yeah why where do you live?
Kim: I live in Lithuania I am only here for 3 days visiting my friends.
Me: Hm really then it will be a short but intense romance
Kim (Smiling) : Maybe
Me: OK which ones are your friends?
Kim: Starts pointing at 6 other girls scattered around
Me: Waving hi and smiling at the friends.
Kim: Where are your friends?
Me: Over there, come 2 seconds.

Moved her and introduced her to my friend who is closeby.
We dance a little bit and she’s like oh I can’t dance with you, you are too tall. I’m like OK wait I know what we are going to do. I put my drink down, hug her and lift her up and keep our faces at the same height dancing. She is giggling and after a while I put her down.

Then I get this feeling that I need to isolate.

“Me: Have you been downstairs it’s really cool.
Kim: No, can I tell my friends first?
Me: Yeah sure. “

I let her talk to her friends and go back and chat to my buddy, then after 1 min I go back and find her looking for me. Awesome. Take her by the hand and lead her downstairs.
As soon as we get there, I chill by the wall and pull her by the waist into me. She’s all excited but also looks a bit overwhelmed. I tone it back and start talking in her ear and we get in this perfect bubble.

Me : I am going to take you back with me to my country, OK?
Kim: Haha when are we leaving?
Me: Tuesday, I’ll fit you in my suitcase and smuggle you in.
Kim: Are your parents going to mind that I am Lithuanian?
Me teasing: Nah my parents are not very smart we will tell them that you are English they will never know the difference.
Me: Tell me something in Lithuanian
Kim: Like what?
Me: Tell me that you love me
Kim: Haha noooo
Me: Say it
Kim: Says that she loves me in Lithuanian
Me: Good we are married now haha

I can’t really describe how much we were vibing at this point. I see the opportunity to sit down and bring her to my height, so I sit in one of the stools and have my hands on her ass and keep her really close to me. That shit is perfect, it’s as intimate as it gets.

At this point she is stroking my hair telling me that she loves it and that it’s very soft and I’m kissing and biting her neck. She is trying really hard to keep herself under control and not kiss me but I am unfazed when I go to kiss her and she playfully rejects it.

I start trying to figure out a way to pull:
Me: We should go get some food are you hungry?
Kim: Not really I don’t eat after 6 plus I can’t leave my friends.
Me: So your friends wouldn’t be cool with us leaving together?
Kim: Nooo they are super protective .
Me: Tell you what let’s all have an afterparty at my house, we’ll just get some wine on the way
Kim: You can try and convince them but I don’t think they will be up for it.
Me: Don’t worry I know exactly how to charm Lithuanian girls I will just buy them some vodka and we’ll be best friends.

She laughs but at this point I am very hesitant to try and convince the friends as I see no way to make 6 girls agree to the idea of moving with me. If only one didn’t like me it would be enough to blow it up.
So I chill with her in the same intimate position, she’s dancing and grinding on me.

Kim: If we can’t hang out tonight you should ask me out on a date tomorrow
Me: (having lost countless nightgame numbers due to next day flaking): I bait her a little bit and I am like nah I know how this works you are not going to remember me tomorrow.
Kim: Of course I will, I am sober, here take my number and text me tomorrow
Me: OK fine we’ll see (take her number to keep my options broad)

At some point she says that she wants to find her friends, asks if she can go find them quickly and come back. I tell her that in 5 minutes we are going upstairs to find her friends and she is happy. Then I see that the place is about to close and I’m like OK let’s go find your friends.

We go upstairs, find the friends smoking outside and I tell her that I need to get my coat, she says that she is going to wait there for me. She does indeed and I join the group and charismatically introduce myself to the rest, however the leader of the group was a smoking hot tall bitch. She started giving me some shit that I easily overcame and I started seeding the idea of moving the whole group to another bar.

Then the rest of her friends come out and it starts being really chaotic, they all start conversating in Lithuanian, I introduce myself to one of the friends and chat with her a little bit then my girl pulls me to the side and tells me that she is sorry but her friends are really pushing her to leave.

As I am about to say that it’s OK and try and arrange the next day one of her short, obviously negative friends tells her that they have to go and literally starts dragging her away with the rest of the group following. I try to dominate the friend yelling “Hey, 2 minutes, we are just saying goodbye”. They are not having any of it and keep moving and my girl looks pissed at them but follows.

At this point I am defeated, I just went back home pissed. She texted me in a few minutes sending me a picture of hers.
Me : It would be cool to go out for coffee or maybe food tomorrow
Kim: Yeah I would love to go for coffee
Kim: What time works for you ?
Blah blah logistics
Next day
Me: Hey if we meet around 14:00 we’ll have time to show you a couple of cool places around the city.
Kim: I am not sure that I can get ready that fast. Where do you want to meet?
Me: Where are you staying I’ll figure out where to meet?

Then she goes silent for several hours. I decide to text her again seeing that we have a limited window of opportunity.

Me: I am about to catch a movie but I will be free after 20:00, it would be cool to meet then.
Kim: I am not sure if I can make it to work.
Me: Well ... I want to meet you but it’s up to you really.
Kim: What if we meet tomorrow? I am a bit drunk I guess it would be difficult now.
Me: I am cool with tomorrow but I can only do after 19:00
Kim: I am not sure atm. But I will try, I want to meet.
Me: I don’t like uncertainty. Get a taxi and come here now, I will let you sleep on the couch haha.
Kim: Look we are in the living room playing a drinking game. Come over here and take some wine with you and I let you sleep on the couch. What about that?
Me: Adventure… I like it… Where are you staying?
Kim: I need to find out. Wait”

All this happened late at night as I was about to go to sleep. I really was debating hard whether I should go to meet them but I didn't have to decide after all.
She then goes off the grid for like an hour. By then I have fallen asleep and in the morning I see that she texted me to send her a picture lol as if the part where she is supposed to send me the address never happened. I guess if she was drunk I couldn’t expect any coherent behavior…

So this is how I fucked up getting with a girl I really liked. I haven’t written a proper FR in a while, any feedback would be very much appreciated.
About the texting and the next day date part I have to say that it has happened to me numerous times. In fact I have never managed to get a nightgame number out for a date the next day, no matter how much we connected the previous night. They always say yes before going to sleep and then they flake the next day. Honestly I am sick of it, I know the girls’ psychology behind it but at the same time don’t know how to avoid it.

What pisses me off is that I have found out through experience that even though hot girls are abundant, girls with chemistry like this are rare. I go out regularly but still the only similar interaction that I had was like 5 months ago. I even surprised myself at how much it pissed me off, maybe I feel that there was a way to make it happen and I just didn’t rise to the occasion.
 
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Hector Papi Castillo

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Saksibishop,

Moved her and introduced her to my friend who is closeby.
We dance a little bit and she’s like oh I can’t dance with you, you are too tall. I’m like OK wait I know what we are going to do. I put my drink down, hug her and lift her up and keep our faces at the same height dancing. She is giggling and after a while I put her down.

Then I get this feeling that I need to isolate.

You could/should have kissed her here. She would have enjoyed that, especially since she's super shy. You'd be able to test the waters super quick. Also, she's only town for a few days. Move fast.

She rejected your kiss later, but that's probably because you were too boyfriend-y at that point. Also, as a guy who's game a lot in EE, a lot of girls from there are trying to get out of their country and will instantly BF-zone cool foreigners. It's the double-edged sword of being a hot foreigner (especially if you're from a well-to-do country like England, Germany, Sweden, etc).

I start trying to figure out a way to pull:
Me: We should go get some food are you hungry?

Probably shouldn't try to pull after she just rejected a kiss. You CAN escalate the compliance you ask first, but it has to escalate properly.

Kiss -> Rejected -> Ask her to come home with you.

It's basically like, "alright, you think you're good at t-ball, huh? Let's play in the majors." It's a test, but from you ;)

Going from rejection to "let's get food" is a downward movement, unless you're quite obviously full of shit (like my buddy who will casually tell girls that they should get pizza and then get an uber, take her to the beach and fuck her, like the pizza was all a joke).

After this it's pretty much just classic boyfriend-zoning. She likes you, but yeah, foreigner problems. Also, if you feel defeated, girls can feel it. If you were giving off a player vibe, sadness can help, otherwise it just makes you look like more of a boyfriend.


Me : It would be cool to go out for coffee or maybe food tomorrow
Kim: Yeah I would love to go for coffee
Kim: What time works for you ?
Blah blah logistics
Next day
Me: Hey if we meet around 14:00 we’ll have time to show you a couple of cool places around the city.
Kim: I am not sure that I can get ready that fast. Where do you want to meet?
Me: Where are you staying I’ll figure out where to meet?

You're complicating things. It confuses her. She was down to meet and was being super compliant until you changed up the game. Just meet up with her. You could meet for "coffee," and then instead go to a goddamned amusement park, but you need to sell it in person, not over text. Just get her out. Some guys are masters at texting and can get a lot of work done over it, but it's largely an unnecessary skill that has a monstrous learning curve and it pisses you off a lot because you lose chicks who otherwise would have loved you. Be short, warm, and flirty. Once you get the date, leave it alone (unless a lot of time passes, then you might need to check in on her).

As for your emotions, yeah, losing girls that you have insane connections with sucks. It sucks hard.

Hope that helps! Also, if you could, would you mind following GC's new instagram accounts?

@girlschase
and
@whatshereallymeant

The second account you can actually send screenshots to of your texts, and we'll give free advice :) Oh and if you follow both, send 3 screenshots, I'll enter you into a chance to win a free hour of phone coaching with me ;) $200 for fray!

Party on,

Hector
 

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Hector, really appreciate the time you took to read and comment.

You could/should have kissed her here. She would have enjoyed that, especially since she's super shy. You'd be able to test the waters super quick. Also, she's only town for a few days. Move fast.

I know that I could have kissed her, all the signs were there but this was still next to her friends. And I really don't think that tonguing her down in front of her friends would have helped my case man. Maybe it would have, I guess we'll never find out.
I actually never intended to kiss her since I try to not kiss girls that I intend to pull. However I very often violate this rule just because I can't resist when I see a girl that probably wants it.

Probably shouldn't try to pull after she just rejected a kiss. You CAN escalate the compliance you ask first, but it has to escalate properly.
This is awesome advice actually makes so much sense right now. I would have never have thought of that on my own and I have definitely done this mistake several times in the past.

You're complicating things. It confuses her. She was down to meet and was being super compliant until you changed up the game. Just meet up with her. You could meet for "coffee," and then instead go to a goddamned amusement park, but you need to sell it in person, not over text. Just get her out. Some guys are masters at texting and can get a lot of work done over it, but it's largely an unnecessary skill that has a monstrous learning curve and it pisses you off a lot because you lose chicks who otherwise would have loved you. Be short, warm, and flirty. Once you get the date, leave it alone (unless a lot of time passes, then you might need to check in on her).

It's not very clear from my writing, but the part where she was compliant and wanted to meet was late at night just after we separated. The next morning she changed her mind. And that's the problem right there this is what always happens with my nightgame numbers. My texting might be awful but even by pure numbers a few of these girls would have come out eventually. The fact that they all flake might be hiding a bigger problem that I am just too close to see...


Hope that helps! Also, if you could, would you mind following GC's new instagram accounts?

@girlschase
and
@whatshereallymeant

Gladly, hope no girls will check out my "following" though.
I'll find 3 interesting text convos!
 
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