The most important take away you need to get out of corona lock down....

[Tr1cky]

Teevster you are incorrect on tinder having twice as many men as women. The numbers are closer to 80 or 85% male. It's over 4x as many men than women. These guys that can barely get laid off cold approach yet have 100 online lays make me scratch my head thinking about the quality of woman they are getting

 

[Skills]

Teevster you are incorrect on tinder having twice as many men as women. The numbers are closer to 80 or 85% male. It's over 4x as many men than women. These guys that can barely get laid off cold approach yet have 100 online lays make me scratch my head thinking about the quality of woman they are getting

same in clubs, so what, and what do this has to do with the op.... Let me break it down to you, there are guys that are good at cold approach who are also good at online, cause they are not obsessed with some silly prehistoric ideology.... @COCPORN is a good example of this...

there are a million dating apps, the guys that do night game typically bounce from club to club, see when i do night game i bounce to at least 3 clubs.... My point is that people that play with online do MULTIPLE apps not just tinder...

Here is what going on if you turn on the tv.... There are no clubs, is going to be difficult to do day game.... So most people if they are smart will do social media, pinging and dating apps..

the dudes that are use to ^ those mediums will probably get laid a lot during these times more than the dudes that barely ever done those mediums and keep yelling the loudest no game, and the rest of the none sense, since they have acquired more repetitions and are not that negative about it....

By the way if you got to the lay report sections, other than people posting old lay reports, the recent lay reports are basically online game...

 

[Indian Race Troll (IRT)]

On a more serious note @Skills since I do owe this to you bruh, I am kind of happy of the lockdown in certain ways as unfortunate as COVID-19 might be as well as those affected by it. I no longer have to get up to go to work and will likely work from home for rest of 2020, this means the commute time is spent on more productive hobbies. So much has gone online and I have been starting to see small sprinkles of success in my side business, which I have more time to work on now due to not having commutes. People are more on edge which sucks but chaos means opportunity, I have found a lot of networking communities online and on LinkedIn to where I have $100k+ jobs in the pipe for later in the year.

It can suck to feel lazy at times man but I am so glad that I have had this opportunity to recreate myself in so many ways. Clothes are 50% off to anyone looking to up their style, I brought six pairs of brand name shoes for under $150, think about it. I am starting to actually save more by not going out all the time because the nightlife and drinking life can get really addictive.

 

[Teevster]

Teevster you are incorrect on tinder having twice as many men as women. The numbers are closer to 80 or 85% male. It's over 4x as many men than women. These guys that can barely get laid off cold approach yet have 100 online lays make me scratch my head thinking about the quality of woman they are getting

Maybe. It only reinforces my point if true.

I honestly see no point in deliberatly choosing a meat market where my value is inflated.

 

[Dragon913]

Regarding your second point - my own personal case.

Well, I could simply not get laid because even having rotations (all good puas have fuckbuddies, although I used to be one of those who had the fewest, that does NOT mean I didn't have a bunch of numbers I could call up), because I was PROHIBITED to GET OUT OF THE HOUSE.

So in other words, online, rotation or purely ONS make 0 difference.

If one cannot go out, one cannot go out. If girls cannot come and meet me, then it simply will not matter how I meet them. Sex will not happen.

Now that things have opened up (a bit), it is very clear that online is really not working as it should. Online is crap, have always been, will always be. You have not provided a single benefit related to online game in your post. The Corona lockdowns have killed female sex drives, making them totally non-responsive on Tinder etc. I also know this from having talked to multiple women. Their state and their sex drive is BELOW 0. Heck even my state and sex drive took a hit - and if it affected me, it surely affected them EVEN MORE.

Those girls on Tinder are mostly gold-diggers. Yes crisis make women looking for providers. It even push women into heavy sugardating. Probably 30% of the Tinder profiles on my tinder are either escorts or girls explicitly stating that they want to trade goods/money for company - normal girls included. Probably 30% of the others are girls from the other side of the globe (this shit called Tinder Passport). The rest are normal girls. Add to this, the fact that tinder has twice as many dudes as women....


Tinder and online in general is simply not an option. And sugardating is still not game, and will never be.

With nightlife closed and online not an option, daygame is the only way to meet women.

how do we approach and open with mask and social distancing

 

[Teevster]

With nightlife closed and online not an option, daygame is the only way to meet women.

how do we approach and open with mask and social distancing

It is not really an option. If you get caught by the cops... you are fucked. I don't feel like getting a fee.

Cops even came up to me and gave me and my fuckbuddy a warning because we held hands while walking in the street. They told us to walk 1 meter away from one another.


Add to the fact that many people are living a psychosis - i.e. if you approach them, they may pull back out of fear, and freeze up. This has my experience when I tried to daygame in "less populated areas" (i.e. dodging cops).

I prefer just focusing on school until this shit stops. Meanwhile I fuck my fuckbuddies and stuff.

 

[Skills]

I honestly see no point in deliberatly choosing a meat market where my value is inflated.

Because there is nothing to debate, you have only one option to get new leads which is pretty much online/social media or pinging old leads.

Coronavirus has changed online dating. Here's why some say that's a good thing

In the midst of a frightening global event that has negatively affected people’s lives in many ways, some have found that connecting through online dating is a rare bright spot.

www.pbs.org

 

[Fluxcapacitor]

@Skills dude! Firstly sorry for going off topic to your OP but I've read the link posted above and although you're right online/social media is pretty much the only option for new leads that article is shit for seduction.

It promotes provider behaviour and encouraging moving slow. Albeit we are restricted but the case study shown talking through text for two days, an online face time for 2 hours, an online facetime for 4 hours and then meeting in person for a walk keeping 6ft apart, with the girl stating it's great talking so much, no one's ever made this much effort, isn't it lovely that we can talk about bull shit and not get physical.

That dude is going to fuck up before he gets to fuck her. He'll be friend zoned faster than anything or backward rationalized that he's not sexy enough.

Check out the relationship boards, there's been relationship casualties for not being able to be intimate. There's been other issues like neediness or emotional behaviour on show but all caused by social distancing with the extra stress on the relationships.

As stated by @Teevster some girls in countries that are still locked down have sex drives below 0. He stated (I don't do online so I can't confirm) that girls sex drives are so low they stop replying on these apps. They're usually on for attention and validation.

Observations you rationalized that the stress is impacting their hormones and when in stressful situations you drop your sex drive in order to focus on the situation. (A totally agree with this)

That article is dreadful to read, that's the situation at the moment - plus an increase of competition online when it's noted that your value drops online where girls values are inflated... I feel your first post about being comfortable alone is what dudes should focus on if you're still restricted dude.

 

[Skills]

@Skills dude! Firstly sorry for going off topic to your OP but I've read the link posted above and although you're right online/social media is pretty much the only option for new leads that article is shit for seduction.

It promotes provider behaviour and encouraging moving slow. Albeit we are restricted but the case study shown talking through text for two days, an online face time for 2 hours, an online facetime for 4 hours and then meeting in person for a walk keeping 6ft apart, with the girl stating it's great talking so much, no one's ever made this much effort, isn't it lovely that we can talk about bull shit and not get physical.

That dude is going to fuck up before he gets to fuck her. He'll be friend zoned faster than anything or backward rationalized that he's not sexy enough.

Check out the relationship boards, there's been relationship casualties for not being able to be intimate. There's been other issues like neediness or emotional behaviour on show but all caused by social distancing with the extra stress on the relationships.

As stated by @Teevster some girls in countries that are still locked down have sex drives below 0. He stated (I don't do online so I can't confirm) that girls sex drives are so low they stop replying on these apps. They're usually on for attention and validation.

Observations you rationalized that the stress is impacting their hormones and when in stressful situations you drop your sex drive in order to focus on the situation. (A totally agree with this)

That article is dreadful to read, that's the situation at the moment - plus an increase of competition online when it's noted that your value drops online where girls values are inflated... I feel your first post about being comfortable alone is what dudes should focus on if you're still restricted dude.

is obvious the article is not for seduction, the point of the article is that women are going online now that is a fact..... Below 0 sex drive is not true, i am getting laid the same as before... sex drive of my girls have not changed and one of them lost her job since she is hilton hotel manager, total fiction...

 

[Teevster]

Because there is nothing to debate, you have only one option to get new leads which is pretty much online/social media or pinging old leads.

Coronavirus has changed online dating. Here's why some say that's a good thing

In the midst of a frightening global event that has negatively affected people’s lives in many ways, some have found that connecting through online dating is a rare bright spot.

www.pbs.org

Well turns out, bars reopen next week (terrace bars). That is still much better than Tinder.

During lock down (till may 11th) there was simply no (legal) options - hence Tinder was not an option either.

Then after the heavy lock down ended (i.e. moving onto partial lock down), Tinder was kind of possible (i.e. you were allowed to meet your matches). However this was difficult and not worth the time for the following reasons:
- Over twice as many men as women on Tinder - a shitty market
- Tinder passport - making it hard to match with local girls (my theory is that this was done on purpose)
- Women having their sex drive and mood below 0. Skills (and many americans) are technically KJ'ing at this point, because they have not been 2-3 months under lockdown. They are behind Europe in this regard. In the beginning of lockdown, women where contacting me, women were asking to meet up once lock down ended and so on. But after 2 months of TOTAL isolation, it had an impact on their brains. It is a fact. Women are not even hiding this fact. Some girls I know do not even feel like going out to buy groceries. And now you expect THOSE GIRLS to be willing to meet YOU up (in a market like Tinder, dominated by men)? Dream on buddy!
- And I forgot to mention, not only do you deal with a shitty market, and a women in a bad mood, but you also require getting TONS of compliance - since you do need to get her to come STRAIGHT to your place.

So to recap...
- You need to get a girl to come straight to your place, a girl who:
- You met through an app with a higher percentage of men users...
- And it being an app... you have very few pick up tools at your disposal...
- You deal with depressed girls with 0 sex drive...
- And the app working against you (tinder passport)..

And you claim this is not up for debate? I think lockdown has clouded your judgement.

I did not bring into the equation all the new escorts and girls selling "company". Just to make matters worse.

If Tinder was an option... then where are all the Tinder lay reports (from lock down)??? And more interestingly, where are the reports from guys pulling from Tinder after 2 months of lock down...?

Nowhere.

In my opinion, it is better to bang fuck buddies and just work on something else until one is allowed to start doing pick up again.

Best,

 

[Teevster]

They're usually on for attention and validation.

Not even that!

That was in the beginning of lock down.

Now they are using the apps to make money!!!


FYI: 3 (!) out of 5 of my fuckbuddies have turned into escorts (yes - money for sex) during lockdown. Many of their friends consider doing similare things. - although many consider lighter versions, such as matching with guys on Tinder and try to sell them nudes .
Think on these points for a bit!

 

[trashKENNUT]

Now they are using the apps to make money!!!

Very difficult to gauge this but I can confirm this with the large number of TikTok girls going viral, as in more views. It's on my feed.

i'm not sure if it's exactly money or building a brand.

But the among of people suddenly become 'chefs' overnight and underage girls talking about sex while older women are either judging them, following trends or becoming fitness teachers is quite something else.

Let's Think of now as society panicking for toilet rolls PART 2. We still settling.

 

[Teevster]

Very difficult to gauge this but I can confirm this with the large number of TikTok girls going viral, as in more views. It's on my feed.

i'm not sure if it's exactly money or building a brand.

But the among of people suddenly become 'chefs' overnight and underage girls talking about sex while older women are either judging them, following trends or becoming fitness teachers is quite something else.

Let's Think of now as society panicking for toilet rolls PART 2. We still settling.

Yes, we need to remember that the provider-seeking behaviour in women usually correlates with times of crisis.

Now is the corona a serious crisis? Well in itself, I don't think it is (although it will be devastating to the economy...).

And when women perceives a danger or a crisis they start seeking security.

They try to seek wealth, protection, money etc.


Money becomes a key part, especially now that many are loosing their job, and the economy is going to shit.

This all make totally sense from a sociological perspective. Behavioral economic theories also seems to fit with what is happening.

Will things calm down? Well I believe the perceptions related to the danger of Covid will disapear with time, and people in general will become less scared of interacting with each other.

However, the economic crisis is just starting.

I was never worried for Covid as an illness.

But I am VERY worried for the side-effects on the economy. I think we are in for a ride... and the ride will be long I am afraid.

 

[Teevster]

That all said, I do not see this extreme rise in provider seeking behavior as a practical problem pick up wise. Because this is pretty each to deal with (sex talk and sexual game was initially designed to deal with this).

But if we look at this from a perspective OUTSIDE of pick up... then this is truly sad... on a societal level, the damage will become serious.

And even if the economic crisis will have little impact on my sex life, it most likely will have an effect on my economic life... and that ain't fun either.

-Teevster

 

[trashKENNUT]

But I am VERY worried for the side-effects on the economy. I think we are in for a ride... and the ride will be long I am afraid.

Very long.

2020-2021: Coronavirus
2021-2023: Everyone Goes After China For Covid Bills

Tsk tsk

 

[Skills]

Well turns out, bars reopen next week (terrace bars). That is still much better than Tinder.

First there is more risk of contact since there will be more people out, 2.- there is barely anybody at the bars about less than 25%, 3.- there are 5 dating apps, tinder being one of the worst....

During lock down (till may 11th) there was simply no (legal) options - hence Tinder was not an option either.

Then after the heavy lock down ended (i.e. partial lock down), Tinder was kind of possible (i.e. you were allowed to meet your matches). However this was difficult and not worth the time for the following reasons:
- Over twice as many men than women on Tinder - a shitty market
- Tinder passport - making it hard to match with local girls (my theory is that this was done on purpose)

you are obsessed with tinder read my previous response

- Women having their sex drive and mood below 0. Skills (and many americans) are technically KJ'ing at this point, because they have not been 2-3 month under lockdown. They are behind Europe in this regard. In the beginning of lockdown, women where contacting me, women were asking to meet up after lock down and so on. But after 2 month of TOTAL isolation, it had an impact on their brains. It is a fact. Women are not even hiding this fact. Some girls I know do not even feel like going out to buy groceries. And now you expect THOSE GIRLS to be willing to meet YOU up (in a market like Tinder, dominated by men)? Dream on buddy!

So i am kjing since i am getting laid the same as before(and my girls have not change sex drive, and you have not lol! did we change definitions.... please guys update me...

- And I forgot to mention, not only do you deal with a shitty market, and a bad mood, but you also require getting TONS of compliance - since you do need to get her to come STRAIGHT to your place.

^ no you don't, meeting at your place even if the girl super complaint and dtf is a bad strategy for me(i know guys like pe can pull it off) i find it easier even if down to meet somewhere else to get rid of any possible asd...

So to recap...
- You need to get a girl to come straight to your place, a girl who:
- You met through an app with a higher percentage of men users...
- And it being an app... you have very few pick up tools are your disposal...
- You deal with depressed girls with 0 sex drive...
- And the app working against you (tinder passport)..

no you don't, and you have 2 options, find a way to get laid during lock down, or complain about online being shitty.... Is not like i am pro online lol, i hate when you make me defend online...

And you claim this is not up for debate? I think lockdown has clouded your judgement

.

Total projection lol...

I

did not bring into the equation all the new escorts and girls selling "company". Just to make matters worse.

If Tinder was an option... then where are all the Tinder lay reports (from lock down)??? And more interestingly, where are the reports from guys pulling from Tinder after 2 months of lock down...?

Nowhere.

In my opinion, it is better to bang fuck buddies and just work on something else until one is allowed to start doing pick up again.

Of course is better to bang fuck buddies and ping leads from social media.... But for NEW LEADS there is no other options...


you guys totally derailing the op, we already had this debate in nexasf a million times.

 

[Skills]

Last note on corana:

- in America people get $600 unemployment plus $800 a week......Plus $2100 stimulus.... women are not that depress here like in the first couple of weeks, they got numb and over with the corona stuff...

 

[ljrozz69]

I agree with almost everything Teevster said...

Now I think daygame may be currently possible...I went out yesterday to do stuff,
And I saw a couple aggressively making out on the streets... Like you do early in a relationship...
A little after as I was inside the metro wagon, a stunning, gorgeous chick got in, facing me but there were many, many seats (and people) between us. We made eye contact and as she kept looking at me she took of her mask, which is a strictly forbidden move...
She was smiling, imho that's a super clear IOI, but I didn't know how to approach correctly so I didn't... 1 more on my now large list of big regrets lol
So perhaps there's a chance daygame may be viable...Klimax

 

[Teevster]

First there is more risk of contact since there will be more people out, 2.- there is barely anybody at the bars about less than 25%, 3.- there are 5 dating apps, tinder being one of the worst....

Ok fine, so maybe there are better apps, it still does not change the situation in Europe.
- Women's state are fucked over
- Women are looking for providers
- Women are prostituting themselves
- Meeting people in public is VERY limited.

And regarding risk of contact: at this point I do not care, but that's a different subject.

So i am kjing since i am getting laid the same as before(and my girls have not change sex drive, and you have not lol! did we change definitions.... please guys update me...

Well you are because oyu are talking about a phenomena you have not yet any experience with (and I hope for you and everybody in the US' sake, that they won't have to experience). The behavior in women varies a lot between just a few weeks/months of lock down, and over 2 months of lock down (in my case - total lock down, as in curfew).

As I mentioned, women were very warm and open to socialize during the first weeks (up till the first month of lock down). Talking to girls online was easy - they even opened you. Did anyone in France pull? not really because you were not allowed to go outside! (if you get caught...)

^ no you don't, meeting at your place even if the girl super complaint and dtf is a bad strategy for me(i know guys like pe can pull it off) i find it easier even if down to meet somewhere else to get rid of any possible asd...

So where should I meet the girls?

In public? walk in the street and talk? Parks are closed, restaurants are closed. Coffee shops are closed.

Where to meet?

The street? take a walk with her? Wear a mask and fucking walk 2 meter away from her? Having cops watching me and chiming in if I break the rules of social distancing.

no you don't, and you have to options, find a way to get laid during lock down, or complain about online being shitty.... Is not like i am pro online lol, i hate when you make me defend online...

Well you are in a way defending online. Since to me there are better options atm:
- Banging fb's and managing ltr's.
- Recontacting old leads that you number closed earlier (or facebook closed).
- Join virtual facebook "parties" and get some girl's facebook this way. Much better. Worked for me so far.
- Now that we are allowed to go outside, hosting parties, and going to parties (social circle) is by far the BEST way to get laid.

Of course is better to bang fuck buddies and ping leads from social media.... But for NEW LEADS there is no other options...

Social circles and virtual "parties" are better options. Social circle still the best one.

Best,

 

[Teevster]

Last note on corana:

- in America people get $600 unemployment plus $800 a week......Plus $2100 stimulus.... women are not that depress here like in the first couple of weeks, they got numb and over with the corona stuff...

Wait and see how people react to this in a month, once things have really sunked in!

I hope things will be different in the US than central Europe. I pray that I am wrong!

Best,