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MileHighTexan

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Pre-Date:

Over the past few weeks I posted about a girl I met at a fun bar in my city, only to find out she lives 45 minutes away. Long story short, I drove down to visit her the weekend after we met. Luckily, I have a relative in that city who owns a house there, and he let me use it. I had the house to myself. So obviously my goal was to get her there. Couldn't go to her place for logistical reasons.

I text her the day of to ensure the date is still on. I suggest we meet in the downtown area and go to a laid back bar there. She responds with "Sounds good, but can we keep it low key? I'm pretty tired."

At first I thought about responding with "yeah, sure!" but I decided to go a bit on the bolder side. I said yeah let's do a low key night, and then suggested we meet up at the house and then "go from there," if it would be easier. She pretty quickly responded with a yes.

So far, so good.

The hour leading up to the date, I decided to read Chase's article about "The 8 things you must ask her," wanting to get in the right mindset for our date. The night comes and we meet at the house. I tell her it's too much trouble to go out (she agrees) and there's a bottle of wine in the fridge we can split. She gladly agreed.

The date:

Night started off pretty relaxed, just the two of us in the house with a bottle of wine. We just talked about our weeks and got to know each other a bit better.

Then I started with the deep diving.

I asked her about her passions and got her talking about stuff she was excited to talk about. I asked her about her childhood. I got creative asking her about herself and I could tell she really liked it.

I move her into the living room where we can sit side-by-side on the couch and then I initiate some physical contact. Still, things are going great. After some more talking, I go in for the kiss and she enthusiastically kissed back. The deep diving was still going great, so much so that she even asked me to continue asking her questions because she was having fun.

So I did, and then she started to ask me some deeper questions, which I also enjoyed. And I really opened up. I didn't give her a cookie cutter answer I thought she'd like. I was honest. I told her about my life, my dreams, and deep stuff I think about all the time. It felt great. I was being very vulnerable to her by opening up like this and I noticed that I hadn't done this around a new girl in a while. I think this is important because it combats neediness. I am saying "this is who I am and I am proud of it. If you don't like it, there's the door."

The kissing continued.

After some slight resistance, I move things into the bedroom.

The Bedroom:

We start by making out on the bed, and things got hot pretty fast. She was turned on and we felt a pretty genuine emotional connection. I escalate things and she suggests we turn the lights off as I'm removing her bra.

Clothes continue coming off and escalation continues. She was pretty resistant to sex so I continued to escalate my way toward it. I go down on her and she quickly returns the favor.

Then somewhere in the middle of it all, she backs off and says she's suddenly turned off.

What?

I was pretty shocked and didn't know how to respond. At first I took it personally but after some talking I think this was mostly on her side. We talked for a bit and she basically told me how weary she feels about getting intimate with a guy she just met.

Frustrated, I assume that means I didn't do a good enough job deep diving. She immediately started putting her clothes back on. NO!!!!

We continue talking, and she hints at the fact that she's been hurt in the past by guys who have fucked her and then bailed on her right afterward. I pretty much finish her sentences for her and say I understand... no one likes to feel used like that. Women have much more to risk in dating and sex than men (slut shaming, pregnancy, etc), so it's understandable that they are more careful. Here's the big thing here: Instead of being a bitter, whiny guy ("Ugh, COME ON! Why would you do this to me?!"), I was understanding. I did everything I could to see things from her point of view, and I sympathized with her. Again, I opened up.

Before I could finish my next sentence, she pulls me in and starts vigorously making out with me again. We make out for a few minutes and the clothes start coming off again.

This time, it is about 10x hotter than it was the first time.

Holy SHIT, I'm thinking. What happened? This girl went from ice cold to surface-of-the-sun hot in about 10 seconds! I start going down on her again and fingering her. And good Lord she was enjoying it much more this time. Before I knew it, she had climaxed. I don't know if this is true really, but she then told me I was the first guy to ever make her cum. I called BS but she kept reassuring me it's true.

I reach for a condom and make it obvious sex is about to happen. She quickly says "no, not this time," and closes her legs. She seems serious.

I'm frustrated again because I realize the importance of having sex ASAP, but at the same time I don't want to kill the mood by begging for sex. Not to mention if I kept going after her saying that I'm dangerously getting close to rape.

So she starts going down on me, and instead of worrying about sex I just let it happen. And it was the best blowjob I've gotten pretty much... ever.

I finish and we end up going to sleep. The next morning we hang out for a bit over breakfast and then go our separate ways.

I get home that afternoon and shoot her a quick text: "Hey, I'm back home. Had a great time with you last night and cya soon!" She responds with "Yeah I had a really amazing time with you, I really enjoyed our conversations. Thanks. Have a good day and yes I'll see you soon ;)"

Despite the lack of sex, I consider it a pretty damn successful date. I deep dove like crazy and it was VERY powerful, and I overcame her sudden turnoff by more deep diving and physicality. This was a great realization to how powerful of a technique it really is and how attractive it makes you to girls you have a genuine connection to. I really don't think the date would have gone the way it did had I not read Chase's article beforehand.

Hoping I can get her up here soon, but in the mean time, time to meet more women to avoid scarcity mentality!
 

randy__bobandy

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Good job, bud. I'm glad you managed to get farther than I did after the first LMR. I recently had a girl stop me as I tried escalating. I then did exactly what you did, I said I understand, blah blah blah, and then like your girl, continued on making out, but then I got stopped for good. I still consider the night a success though.
 

Marty

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MileHighTexan:

Superb field report, I can't find a single error to comment upon. I particularly liked the low-key, outcome-independent way you handled the logistics, resulting in her sharing wine with you in private. Also boldly going for the kiss early on.

You gave her a great deal of physical satisfaction, not just emotional reassurance, so I'm sure she'll keep coming back.

Very happy for you! :)

-Marty
 
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NarrowJ

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Nice report here! Textbook mostly, even. Except... this:

I was pretty shocked and didn't know how to respond. At first I took it personally but after some talking I think this was mostly on her side. We talked for a bit and she basically told me how weary she feels about getting intimate with a guy she just met.

Frustrated, I assume that means I didn't do a good enough job deep diving. She immediately started putting her clothes back on. NO!!!!

We continue talking, and she hints at the fact that she's been hurt in the past by guys who have fucked her and then bailed on her right afterward. I pretty much finish her sentences for her and say I understand... no one likes to feel used like that. Women have much more to risk in dating and sex than men (slut shaming, pregnancy, etc), so it's understandable that they are more careful. Here's the big thing here: Instead of being a bitter, whiny guy ("Ugh, COME ON! Why would you do this to me?!"), I was understanding. I did everything I could to see things from her point of view, and I sympathized with her. Again, I opened up.


And then this bit as well:

I'm frustrated again because I realize the importance of having sex ASAP, but at the same time I don't want to kill the mood by begging for sex. Not to mention if I kept going after her saying that I'm dangerously getting close to rape.

1. Why are you "shocked" and "frustrated"? Do not react like that. This was extremely token resistance here, and very very far from rape. If you just played it cool and didn't react and gave her a quick breather, increase comfort, then kept escalating, that's what she really wanted.

2. In the part I bolded, I know you think you did good there... But man you really succumbed to her frame. She's telling you: "Fast sex isn't good! You'll use me like all the rest of them!" and you play right along with it and agree with her instead of just ignoring her logical stuff and letting her comfort level increase as you escalate to sex.

Overall, wonderful report! Just a couple things to keep in mind though. As you continue to move faster with women, you need to know how to handle things like this. The faster you move, the more resistance you will get (usually), so you just need to learn how to handle it a tad better.

Great job man!
NJ
 

Sam

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1. Why are you "shocked" and "frustrated"? Do not react like that. This was extremely token resistance here, and very very far from rape. If you just played it cool and didn't react and gave her a quick breather, increase comfort, then kept escalating, that's what she really wanted.

Marty, are you sure that a woman putting on her cloths after you undressed her could be described as "token resistance"?
Isn't this a clear sign that the woman wanted to really stop the escalation?
 

Sam

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Sorry, I meant NarrowJ, not Marty
 

NarrowJ

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Look at the order in which the events occur.

1. She gives some token resistance after giving him head.

2. He says that due to this he is "shocked" and "didn't know how to respond", and then says he was "frustrated".

3. She starts putting her clothes back on.


So yeah, at first it was simply token resistance UNTIL he reacted the way he did, and apparently (guessing by his explanation of not knowing what to do next) did nothing to reassure her or distract her from logic. That's when things start to cool off and her token resistance probably hardens quite a bit at that point.

NJ
 

Sam

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I see what you mean now.

It is really surprising how, we, men, misinterpret women's reactions to our actions as independent actions. At first, I thought the woman just flipped out. Now, I see that she simply reacted to our friend's lose of composure. Seriously, I cannot remember how many women I lost because I got involved in their logical part, while I should have just continued with providing attraction and comfort.

Great job, NJ, for pointing this out. Thank you
 

MileHighTexan

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It is really surprising how, we, men, misinterpret women's reactions to our actions as independent actions. At first, I thought the woman just flipped out. Now, I see that she simply reacted to our friend's lose of composure.
Hey now, give me a little more credit than that, I brought her back out of it by relaxing and just talking to her. It was an independent action- and my "loss of composure" if we want to call it that, came after her sudden turnoff.
 
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