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The psychology of a Cult Leader

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What makes a guru a guru? What is it about these guys that makes people flock to them. There's a guy called 'Onision', he made some videos they went viral and became quite popular. A big scandal happened and it eventually came out that this guy had sex slaves and crazy shit. What he did was absolutely terrible. The skills needed to get a following and people loving what you say. Would most cult leaders be great PUAs? Or is it just very good marketing?
 

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A lot of skillsets...

And also actually believe that you are "God".

Also, Even the senior members are susceptible to their belief. Everyone is fragile, really. And COVID just exposes that.

Important: I been noting about laws and I like to warn everyone that headline reading is not the crime that the culprit actually does.

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Being a cult leader and being a PUA certainly has some small overlaps but mostly these are two very different things.

The thing that you always notice with these kind of cult leaders is that they prey on vulnerable people.
Cults are usually not made of well adjusted and healthy people… they are made of people who are going or have gone through shit and they are desperate in some sense.

A former friend once invited me to a series of “self-development” workshops.
I realized it was the front of a cult after the first session.
Man… most of the people there… and the issues they have… it really breaks your heart… then these guys come and use their charisma to take advantage of them.
It’s a fucking tragedy.
 

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And also actually believe that you are "God".

Actually this. And you can see this in different cultures, where the leader, the role model has this belief that he is the best. The best example is music.

Eminem has two songs: GOAT, where his lyrics are something like "I m a GOAT" and Phenomenal, where as well lyrics are like "I am Phenomenal". And a lot of people from the rap world consider him the greatest ever.

I actually listen to some of his melodies to get into that kind of state before going to dates. At one point, I was telling girls "yeah, of course I did it/I know that, I m a demigod" in a total relaxed state and they bite it heavily, became very compliant.

So I would say, that a cult leader thinks he s the best or what beliefs he has and attract others in his reality.

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There's a lotta cool psychology going on with Cult Leaders


Like people above have stated, they don't prey on the healthiest of individuals (exactly like gangs they go after vulnerable people). They have a firm belief, or at least can fake it to an extreme degree, that they are the next incarnation of whatever god/jesus/apostle/saint/prophet/whatever they talk about


Another of the big things that go on within Cult Leaders (if I'm interpreting the question correctly it's about the leaders themselves rather than the people who join?) is that they're CONTROL FREAKS TO THE MAX.

They have a strong desire to dominate and control. And I don't mean their own lives or the people around them. They're megalomaniacs who want to control as much of the world as possible. And when people start blowing smoke up your ass all day everyday, you see these suckers surrounding you that'll buy anything you say. You start to let it go to your head and it ends up becoming similar to rich empire builders who are chasing the next big high (although in this case instead of money it's more about what you can get away with doing)

Nothing's ever enough for them.

After you've convinced 100+ people that you're God what's after that? Because it'll be interesting for a little while but then it'll get boring. Imagine a bunch of drones around you all day that will literally say yes to anything you say. You could say the sky is green and they'll be like "thank fuck you told me because sure as shit it is!"

And eventually the leaders themselves are going to want to push it because they get off on that kind of control. After a while it just kinda spirals further and further though.

Then finally you reach a point where you start to believe your own bullshit and start thinking "wait, I AM God so why am I following such dumb things as laws? I shouldn't have to follow laws, these dumb shmucks need to follow MY laws"


Because these people started out with a strong need to spread their own will and ego. Then when it starts to work these people are just going to let it go rampant because they were never the type to slow themselves down or even be cautious. They love the rush of doing whatever they want, but then whatever they wanted starts to get boring and so they start to want the next thing.

You start off with saying the sky will be green on Fridays and then you' implementing rules about how you get to fuck everything that moves because it's good cleansing for their souls or whatever.


________


And if you're struggling to empathize with them, then think about these things:

1) video games. Do you still play the same games you did as a kid? And I don't mean party games that you can play with other people, I mean games you play by yourself. How often do you revisit them? If it's every once in a while that's not what I mean. I mean you beat the game, got 100% finish clear on everything and then you delete your account the next day to start over. Do you ever do that?

How often do you start a new account knowing every last secret of the game as if you'd designed it yourself after playing 500 times?

If you're like most people, that sounds boring to you. After you've played through something even 5 times it's going to be boring. You're going to want to do something else. You're going to want to play the next game

You want to watch a new movie, you want to read a new book, you want to go to a new venue. If you go/do somewhere/something enough times to the point where you could literally set your watch to what's going to happen it will get boring.

For a great example of this watch the movie "Groundhog Day". Guy is forced to go through the same exact day for decades. There are fun little moments for him but ultimately he's miserable. And most of us would be too, we want something new

2) Do you like dominating women in bed? That's similar to what Cult Leaders want, the only difference is to the degree. You may just want a woman or two whereas these people want hundreds. The drive is the exact same. The feelings are the exact same. It's just to the level or degree that you want them or want them extended to

One year you're happy in missionary simply losing your virginity and then a few years later you're asking women if they like to be your personal slut while fucking her from behind. Shit happens >.>


For a less extreme version of number two, how often do you repeat the same positions in the same order with the same amount of time and in the same place with the same girl? Don't get me wrong, we all have our tendencies and our favorites, but you're not setting your watch to it every time like "Okay, that's missionary first position for two minutes which means I need to flip her over to doggy now for the next three minutes and 22 seconds and then she'll cum. Then I can get her on top of me for 20 seconds so I can finish"

It just doesn't happen. We'd be miserable after a little while of that. Even if it was the hottest chick in the world to you *cough Jennifer Lawrence*
 
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How to start a cult 101:

1) Be charming.

2) Find a few people who lack something big in there life. Convince them that you are what they are missing or you have the answers that they seek. Encourage their dreams, justify their failures, diminish their fears, use intrigue and curiosity to bait them into investing in you. Pretend to know something secret. Be what they need.

3) Introduce these people to one another. Use intermittent reinforcement on them to start controlling their behavior.

4) Send these people out in the world to recruit their equally fucked up friends.

5) Demand that everyone be super nice to any potential new members (love bombing).

6) Being using the BITE method on members. The BITE Method consists of four major methods of control: Behavior control, Information control, Thought control, and Emotional control. By exerting all four of these types of control, a cult can gain full power over a human being.

7) Get raided and killed by the FBI.

Don’t start a cult lol
 

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Wow guys, thanks so much for the replies. I was reading about the stuff these guys get away with it and I had so many questions. Best place to discuss it is with guys that are good socially. It just seems like PUA stuff but on a wayyyy bigger scale
 

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The fact that you guys just bypass Warped Mindless comment, proves another personal point of mine.

:)

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How to start a cult 101:

1) Be charming.

2) Find a few people who lack something big in there life. Convince them that you are what they are missing or you have the answers that they seek. Encourage their dreams, justify their failures, diminish their fears, use intrigue and curiosity to bait them into investing in you. Pretend to know something secret. Be what they need.

3) Introduce these people to one another. Use intermittent reinforcement on them to start controlling their behavior.

4) Send these people out in the world to recruit their equally fucked up friends.

5) Demand that everyone be super nice to any potential new members (love bombing).

6) Being using the BITE method on members. The BITE Method consists of four major methods of control: Behavior control, Information control, Thought control, and Emotional control. By exerting all four of these types of control, a cult can gain full power over a human being.

7) Get raided and killed by the FBI.

Don’t start a cult lol
This is so concise and I can actually see it working hahaha

How did you find this out?
 

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7) Get raided and killed by the FBI.

I don't think they care as much as you think,

UNLESS YOU CAN AFFECT GOVERNMENTS. Example: Ask Any of of Your LIBERAL MUSLIM friends.
IF your Muslim friends are self aware, they will tell you that Muslims live in a complete different universe. :)

Zac is trying to figure out how to reach Westerners and globally, on this PARALLEL ECONOMIES/EDUCATION. and what to expect in the next American empire.


z@c+
 

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I also think a lot of people suffer from anxiety and depression these days, I guess that makes them easy to take advantage of
 

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Most cults follow something called.... PRIMAL BRANDING (there's a book on this)

And honestly all humans want to be part of a cult. Something greater than them. For example, the fact the we all contribute to this forum and share a lot of the core beliefs.... We are in a cult

You don't need to be unhealthy to be in one

Here's a summary of the 7 PRIMAL BRANDING CODES....

7 Primal Codes​


1) Story
Your brand needs to have a story or a background. It tells where your brand originated from and gives viewers or consumers something to connect with and something they can believe and trust in themselves.

2) Creed
This tells what you believe in and how you might be different or similar to other belief systems out there.

3) Icons
These are quick associations or flashes of meaning that are associated with your brand.

They can be visual, a particular smell, sound – things like the taste of McDonald’s French fries, the sight of a Coca-Cola label or Mickey Mouse ears..... Another example is the color scheme of this platform

4) Rituals
Rituals are a repeated an experience associated with the brand, whether it’s positive or negative.

The kind of engagements your viewers or consumers have with you will build up a certain expectation about your brand and future experiences they can expect to have if they watch your content.

5) Language
All belief systems or brands have their own set of language and words with a special meaning for those who buy into the belief system. If someone wants to be “part of the group” they need to learn the associated words.

For example, On Girlschase words like.... escalation windows, approach invitations, attainability, sexual frame, lover, boyfriend candidate, MLTR, auto-rejection..... Those are all terms that help us identify with the brand and deepen our investment

6) Anti-believers
For every belief system there is a group of anti-believers (ie Mac users vs PC; Republicans vs Democrats). It identifies who and what the brand is or is not. It can also give you a good idea of the direction you want to take your brand or which directions to avoid

Or over here how we classify the redpill, bluepill, blackpill, MGTOW, mainstream as opposing beliefs. Again getting us more invested

7) Leader
Finally, there needs to be a leader. People who set out against all odds to recreate something in the world in their vision. It ranges from big name individuals down to team leaders and sales managers.....

Chase and other Tribal Leaders on the Forum that lead discussion and thought


I've personally used these tactics plus other things I've learned from 48 Laws Of Power to grow a pretty large social media following for my fitness business. It's kind of scary how human interactions and cultures can be broken down so logically
 
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Most cults follow something called.... PRIMAL BRANDING (there's a book on this)

And honestly all humans want to be part of a cult. Something greater than them. For example, the fact the we all contribute to this forum and share a lot of the core beliefs.... We are in a cult

You don't need to be unhealthy to be in one

Here's a summary of the 7 PRIMAL BRANDING CODES....

7 Primal Codes​


1) Story
Your brand needs to have a story or a background. It tells where your brand originated from and gives viewers or consumers something to connect with and something they can believe and trust in themselves.

2) Creed
This tells what you believe in and how you might be different or similar to other belief systems out there.

3) Icons
These are quick associations or flashes of meaning that are associated with your brand.

They can be visual, a particular smell, sound – things like the taste of McDonald’s French fries, the sight of a Coca-Cola label or Mickey Mouse ears..... Another example is the color scheme of this platform

4) Rituals
Rituals are a repeated an experience associated with the brand, whether it’s positive or negative.

The kind of engagements your viewers or consumers have with you will build up a certain expectation about your brand and future experiences they can expect to have if they watch your content.

5) Language
All belief systems or brands have their own set of language and words with a special meaning for those who buy into the belief system. If someone wants to be “part of the group” they need to learn the associated words.

For example, On Girlschase words like.... escalation windows, approach invitations, attainability, sexual frame, lover, boyfriend candidate, MLTR, auto-rejection..... Those are all terms that help us identify with the brand and deepen our investment

6) Anti-believers
For every belief system there is a group of anti-believers (ie Mac users vs PC; Republicans vs Democrats). It identifies who and what the brand is or is not. It can also give you a good idea of the direction you want to take your brand or which directions to avoid

Or over here how we classify the redpill, bluepill, blackpill, MGTOW, mainstream as opposing beliefs. Again getting us more invested

7) Leader
Finally, there needs to be a leader. People who set out against all odds to recreate something in the world in their vision. It ranges from big name individuals down to team leaders and sales managers.....

Chase and other Tribal Leaders on the Forum that lead discussion and thought


I've personally used these tactics plus other things I've learned from 48 Laws Of Power to grow a pretty large social media following for my fitness business. It's kind of scary how human interactions and cultures can be broken down so logically
Wow thanks for this, a lot of guys with followings I guess they are doing this type of stuff unconsciously. Which is quite amazing when one thinks about it, I will check out the 48 laws of power
 

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There’s a really good book about this. Essentially a lot of cult leaders/charismatics share some of the same psychological make up. This is in part due to really firm attachments being formed at an early age and then having them stripped away.

The child grows up and has a skewed perception on life, not like the average person. They feel as though the world should treat them one way but are constantly rejected by the real world. The cognitive dissonance caused by this triggers them to try and force their reality onto external things. They feel they should be everything but they are nothing, so they must become

Obviously this results in a lot of failure and isn’t achievable by an average person. The people who end up forcing their reality are usually highly gifted and problem solve their way into results. The one’s who can’t, welll…….

In the end you’re left with a person who has a profound understanding of psychology, a person able to lift another’s moral rectitude, and condition those emotions onto the leaders own ideals. Someone who isn’t effected by others mental framework, not because they don’t understand, but because it is obsolete to their own. Atleast in their mind.

To sum it up, cult leaders are just highly gifted adults who still operate with the ideals of a child. Someone who has the grit and know how to learn how to get the results they desire. They’re actually kind of crazy but that’s what gives them the insight and the resilience someone “sane” is lacking. They learn essential skills for their goals and end up actually mastering them because they’re so crazy.

Their special power is being mentally ill enough to master things when a normal person would give up, things a “normal” person wouldn’t even care about. They have very high self esteem, and cognitive ability.
 
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There’s a really good book about this. Essentially a lot of cult leaders/charismatics share some of the same psychological make up. This is in part due to really firm attachments being formed at an early age and then having them stripped away.

The child grows up and has a skewed perception on life, not like the average person. They feel as though the world should treat them one way but are constantly rejected by the real world. The cognitive dissonance caused by this triggers them to try and force their reality onto external things. They feel they should be everything but they are nothing, so they must become

Obviously this results in a lot of failure and isn’t achievable by an average person. The people who end up forcing their reality are usually highly gifted and problem solve their way into results. The one’s who can’t, welll…….

In the end you’re left with a person who has a profound understanding of psychology, a person able to lift another’s moral rectitude, and condition those emotions onto the leaders own ideals. Someone who isn’t effected by others mental framework, not because they don’t understand, but because it is obsolete to their own. Atleast in their mind.

To sum it up, cult leaders are just highly gifted adults who still operate with the ideals of a child. Someone who has the grit and know how to learn how to get the results they desire. They’re actually kind of crazy but that’s what gives them the insight and the resilience someone “sane” is lacking. They learn essential skills for their goals and end up actually mastering them because they’re so crazy.

Their special power is being mentally ill enough to master things when a normal person would give up, things a “normal” person wouldn’t even care about. They have very high self esteem, and cognitive ability.
Book name?
 

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Yeah when a normal person decides “hey I want to do this thing” they usually find out it’s not all that easy, or it’s alot harder than they initially thought.

They also tend to undershoot or are more likely to settle for mediocrity. Where as when a person who literally wants to “be god” or “be king” in a way usually set their goals TOO HIGH. They’ll burn out inevitably. Unless they possess the wherewithal to make a way despite the odds. Those are the guy’s almost destined to be charismatic.

Combine that with a need to spread your message or a need to influence the masses and you essentially have a cult leader in the making.
 

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Most cults follow something called.... PRIMAL BRANDING (there's a book on this)

And honestly all humans want to be part of a cult. Something greater than them. For example, the fact the we all contribute to this forum and share a lot of the core beliefs.... We are in a cult

You don't need to be unhealthy to be in one

Here's a summary of the 7 PRIMAL BRANDING CODES....

7 Primal Codes​


1) Story
Your brand needs to have a story or a background. It tells where your brand originated from and gives viewers or consumers something to connect with and something they can believe and trust in themselves.

2) Creed
This tells what you believe in and how you might be different or similar to other belief systems out there.

3) Icons
These are quick associations or flashes of meaning that are associated with your brand.

They can be visual, a particular smell, sound – things like the taste of McDonald’s French fries, the sight of a Coca-Cola label or Mickey Mouse ears..... Another example is the color scheme of this platform

4) Rituals
Rituals are a repeated an experience associated with the brand, whether it’s positive or negative.

The kind of engagements your viewers or consumers have with you will build up a certain expectation about your brand and future experiences they can expect to have if they watch your content.

5) Language
All belief systems or brands have their own set of language and words with a special meaning for those who buy into the belief system. If someone wants to be “part of the group” they need to learn the associated words.

For example, On Girlschase words like.... escalation windows, approach invitations, attainability, sexual frame, lover, boyfriend candidate, MLTR, auto-rejection..... Those are all terms that help us identify with the brand and deepen our investment

6) Anti-believers
For every belief system there is a group of anti-believers (ie Mac users vs PC; Republicans vs Democrats). It identifies who and what the brand is or is not. It can also give you a good idea of the direction you want to take your brand or which directions to avoid

Or over here how we classify the redpill, bluepill, blackpill, MGTOW, mainstream as opposing beliefs. Again getting us more invested

7) Leader
Finally, there needs to be a leader. People who set out against all odds to recreate something in the world in their vision. It ranges from big name individuals down to team leaders and sales managers.....

Chase and other Tribal Leaders on the Forum that lead discussion and thought


I've personally used these tactics plus other things I've learned from 48 Laws Of Power to grow a pretty large social media following for my fitness business. It's kind of scary how human interactions and cultures can be broken down so logically
There’s a really good book about this. Essentially a lot of cult leaders/charismatics share some of the same psychological make up. This is in part due to really firm attachments being formed at an early age and then having them stripped away.

The child grows up and has a skewed perception on life, not like the average person. They feel as though the world should treat them one way but are constantly rejected by the real world. The cognitive dissonance caused by this triggers them to try and force their reality onto external things. They feel they should be everything but they are nothing, so they must become

Obviously this results in a lot of failure and isn’t achievable by an average person. The people who end up forcing their reality are usually highly gifted and problem solve their way into results. The one’s who can’t, welll…….

In the end you’re left with a person who has a profound understanding of psychology, a person able to lift another’s moral rectitude, and condition those emotions onto the leaders own ideals. Someone who isn’t effected by others mental framework, not because they don’t understand, but because it is obsolete to their own. Atleast in their mind.

To sum it up, cult leaders are just highly gifted adults who still operate with the ideals of a child. Someone who has the grit and know how to learn how to get the results they desire. They’re actually kind of crazy but that’s what gives them the insight and the resilience someone “sane” is lacking. They learn essential skills for their goals and end up actually mastering them because they’re so crazy.

Their special power is being mentally ill enough to master things when a normal person would give up, things a “normal” person wouldn’t even care about. They have very high self esteem, and cognitive ability.
These seem they are close, but I still reckon there's this "it" factor we're missing here. Knowing the human condition is one thing, but I suppose some part of it is I'm not sure-- I think unshakable confidence too and a willingness to face uncertainty seems to help. Things that normal people lack, this touches what both of you said. Breaking human behaviour down logically, knowing humans fear uncertainty and lack confidence in the face of it, so they become that and certainly, people gravitate towards them.

Seemingly mastering soft skills seems to be the key too.

Are you 2 referencing the same book?
 

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SidenOte:

here's a video, that will snap you out of anything.


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