The religion of chase amante

[Bboy100]

Bboy taking no prisoners...hehehehe....damn bboy i hope u didnt pay for a mystery workshop..lol...damn man..i hope ur not the guy who mystery stole kattya from...hahaha

Hahaha, no, I didn't. I could intuitively tell that there was something wrong with what he was teaching. Even if I didn't know exactly what. Plus, I was like...15 at the time. lol

Opinion openers?
The concept that seduction should be approached as a skill and approaches approached with outcome independence?
Repartee then rapport?
Frames?
Frames?
Role reversal frames?
Frames are so important il even type them again...in caps
FRAMES.?
Lmr tech?
Frames?

Is there nothing we kept?

Yes and no. Yes, we did keep this stuff and they are useful but no, I don't think any of it is necessary in order to learn seduction. There have been naturals who do this stuff long before Mystery brought them up as techniques or tactics.

My theory is that anyone who has strong boundaries and a good sense of self will do all this stuff naturally. Even if he doesn't consciously know it.

Ex.
Would you trust a complete beginner who's taken no action yet, but has read everything there is to know about frames to set the right ones with the hottest girl at the club? Probably not.

Would you trust a guy who has very strong boundaries, no neediness with women/around women, and a great deal of assertiveness but no fucking clue what frames are to set the right ones? I dunno about you, but I actually would. I think a guy like this will naturally be very powerful, and won't take shit from her. And she'll either have to accept doing things on his terms, or he'll walk.

I can think of a similar example for everything else listed there. Except for maybe LMR stuff. Admittedly, the fact that he brought that stuff to our attention is useful. But that's about it.

At his time,what he was teaching was the best he knew..it wasnt like he had this information at gc,but Was feeding people bullshit out of malice,or as an inside joke with styles

Yeah. I don't think Mystery ever meant to scam or teach BS to anyone. I think he genuinely thought what he was teaching was good shit cause it technically was getting him laid. But I don't think it was ever the best we knew. There have been naturals who are good at attracting lots of women since the beginning of time. I just think that most of them didn't bother to sell seduction as a product because they've always lived in a world of abundance...they didn't think anyone would need this stuff because he assumed everyone else was doing fine too. Like...a true natural would think that all this stuff GC teaches is obvious.

Or...they might even not know what they're doing. They might just randomly attract women in their lifs. But if you ask them to explain it, they'll often have a very difficult time giving you concrete steps or actions. They'll usually say "I dunno...I just talk to them!" or "Dude...just talk to them. IT's not that hard. Why are you making such a big deal out of this? ...Don't you know all girls are sluts?"

 

[Lotus]

not to go out on a tangent but i think naturals are good at approaching but suck at closing....unless anyone has conflicting data?

I'm a little late to the party, but this comment intrigued me. Why do you think naturals suck at closing?

Because I'd actually argue they are way better at closing. Naturals are very good at reading signals and thus don't make nearly as many approaches. They find girls that are already interested and capitalize. If a girl is already interested when you open her it's going to be a hell of a lot easier to close. As a result the best naturals are going to be running around with stooopid open-close percents in relation to the "non-naturals" who play the numbers game.

Unless of course, you consider every person a natural talks to during the day as an approach.

I do agree the pua will be able to produce more consistently, if you put them both in a situation to "go out 7 nights in a row and bring home 7 girls".

which is basically what Radeng was saying.

The problem naturals have is they don't always know what they are doing or why it works, but if you teach them the how's and why's so they can reproduce results......latttaaaaaa

At least that's how I feel growing up around a lot of naturals.

My buddy just broke up with his girlfriend and the last 5 times he has gone out he brought a girl home. I can guarantee he did less then 25 approaches, but probably talked to close to 200.

Interesting discussion

-Lotus

 

[Ree]

I be doing dhvs on hb 9.7s on the reg.

Lol...before or after u have progressed to c2

not to go out on a tangent but i think naturals are good at approaching but suck at closing....unless anyone has conflicting data?

I'm a little late to the party, but this comment intrigued me. Why do you think naturals suck at closing?

-Lotus

No,i take this back ...u r right....
What i meant was something closely related..but ultimately different
...most of the people who i thought were naturals...were actually just charming naturall good looking men...they had a reputation as players...but after learning more and more about seduction i realised these ppl,just knew how to flirt but rarely closed...infact truth be told i have never run into a natural ...(assuming natural is a person who racks lays and yet never studies seduction)....the closest iv seen is djs,models and modeling agencies...these are people with average skills...the only reason that they get more girls is beacuse they come into conact with more girls...but skillwise they are just like most men

The problem naturals have is they don't always know what they are doing or why it works, but if you teach them the how's and why's so they can reproduce results......latttaaaaaa

Hm....this is ....interesting...bboy pointed this out too...i guess most.seduction is intuitive for the socially intelligent man...

 

[Ree]

My theory is that anyone who has strong boundaries and a good sense of self will do all this stuff naturally. Even if he doesn't consciously know it.

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Very true....i think seduction isnt so much making stuff up..as it is breaking stuff down .....

 

[lux7]

Guys, it's a pity that such an interesting discussion is completely lost because of an unmatching thread subject.

Can you please change it to something more appropriate?

Adding on the discussion, you were saying say the "genetic lottery" guy with natural looks, take for example Ashton Kutcher, "needs no game" so his game is "less" than the least attractive guys.

I agree with most of the post, but I disagree with that part: I believe most of these guys have great game.

It's just that their game is intrinsically coupled with their looks and charm.
That's all.

A guy like that behaving like RSD Tyler would just be silly. The model guy has model guy game, and couple with his looks it's a perfect combo.


BTW, I don't believe Tyler is either a good teacher nor a good seducer himself: he's a bit too muhc into the joker role, expanding huge amounts of visible efforts.
I don't follow him, bu if he's getting very high quality girls now it's also because he became successful selling a dream to a huge amount of men willing to pay.

 

[Drck]

"A guy like that behaving like RSD Tyler would just be silly. The model guy has model guy game, and couple with his looks it's a perfect combo"

There are different personalities, thus more styles. IMO GC is just one of the styles, if it can be called that way... It's simply a great compilation of knowledge...

"The religion of chase amante" is quite interesting topic, because it refers (IMO) to one particular style that is being portrayed here. At least that's my impression.

IMO for new guys it is good to follow some style, model their behavior after successful guys. This brings valuable experience and knowledge. However, as the time goes the guy should be understanding more of his personality, and focus more on applying those skills that fit more to his persona.

For example, a guy who is heavily introverted may not have much success while applying style of natural extroverts. He will be pretending that he is someone else, thus he will suffer by losing his natural vibe. We can change our behavior and believes, but it's quite difficult to change one's personality, if not impossible.

In the particular example above with RSD Tyler, it is great to watch how he approaches tons of females with enthusiasm and ease within minutes. It's great if it works for him or people with similar persona. But, if a guy who is e.g. heavily introverted does the same, he may soon run out of energy and words because there are other things to do after the initial encounter.. He will go blank, he will not know what to say, he will lose his vibes very fast, and he might be even perceived like a fool. So little bit different approach is needed, he needs to find techniques that vibe more with him instead of trying to rape his personality by behavior that is not natural to him...

 

[lux7]

"A guy like that behaving like RSD Tyler would just be silly. The model guy has model guy game, and couple with his looks it's a perfect combo"

There are different personalities, thus more styles. IMO GC is just one of the styles, if it can be called that way... It's simply a great compilation of knowledge...

"The religion of chase amante" is quite interesting topic, because it refers (IMO) to one particular style that is being portrayed here. At least that's my impression.

IMO for new guys it is good to follow some style, model their behavior after successful guys. This brings valuable experience and knowledge. However, as the time goes the guy should be understanding more of his personality, and focus more on applying those skills that fit more to his persona.

For example, a guy who is heavily introverted may not have much success while applying style of natural extroverts. He will be pretending that he is someone else, thus he will suffer by losing his natural vibe. We can change our behavior and believes, but it's quite difficult to change one's personality, if not impossible.

In the particular example above with RSD Tyler, it is great to watch how he approaches tons of females with enthusiasm and ease within minutes. It's great if it works for him or people with similar persona. But, if a guy who is e.g. heavily introverted does the same, he may soon run out of energy and words because there are other things to do after the initial encounter.. He will go blank, he will not know what to say, he will lose his vibes very fast, and he might be even perceived like a fool. So little bit different approach is needed, he needs to find techniques that vibe more with him instead of trying to rape his personality by behavior that is not natural to him...

I agree man.

Up to a certain point.

Tyler's style will bring in your life most a kind of woman. Which is party girls and, in my opinion, ADD girls.

A calmer girl, more balanced girl would hardly respond well to that style. Or she might for the night, but hardly for long.

Which is fine if you like fun girls and party girls, but if not, then you probably shouldn't model that behaviour and act like that in all of your interactions.

 

[Ree]

"A guy like that behaving like RSD Tyler would just be silly. The model guy has model guy game, and couple with his looks it's a perfect combo"

There are different personalities, thus more styles. IMO GC is just one of the styles, if it can be called that way... It's simply a great compilation of knowledge...

"The religion of chase amante" is quite interesting topic, because it refers (IMO) to one particular style that is being portrayed here. At least that's my impression.

IMO for new guys it is good to follow some style, model their behavior after successful guys. This brings valuable experience and knowledge. However, as the time goes the guy should be understanding more of his personality, and focus more on applying those skills that fit more to his persona.

For example, a guy who is heavily introverted may not have much success while applying style of natural extroverts. He will be pretending that he is someone else, thus he will suffer by losing his natural vibe. We can change our behavior and believes, but it's quite difficult to change one's personality, if not impossible.

In the particular example above with RSD Tyler, it is great to watch how he approaches tons of females with enthusiasm and ease within minutes. It's great if it works for him or people with similar persona. But, if a guy who is e.g. heavily introverted does the same, he may soon run out of energy and words because there are other things to do after the initial encounter.. He will go blank, he will not know what to say, he will lose his vibes very fast, and he might be even perceived like a fool. So little bit different approach is needed, he needs to find techniques that vibe more with him instead of trying to rape his personality by behavior that is not natural to him...

Great tons of knowledge you just dropped here,...as a disciple of gc,I used to look down on the more energetic jokey styles,(like Sasha daygame)..or dancing in clubs(like alek)...I am now realising that different personalities lend themselves to different styles....btw...what's IMO?....plus is it only personality that affects style,or does looks play a role