The scale of you ambitions and accomplishments

[MisterX]

We know that ambition and drive are attractive in a man. But does it matter how big your ambitions are and how likely you are to accomplish them?

Like have 3 guys:
Considering that all these guys are the same on attractiveness level. The only difference is their ambitions/accomplishments.

- the artistic musician/artist who inspires to become a really good musician/painter

- the jock type who is working on getting stronger in the gym and opening his own fitness chain or gyms or wining a muscle competition


- and a young self made billionaire who is a business genius and his ideas and deeds are literally changing the world and live of millions/billions of people. He has proved himself but is working towards becoming one of the most powerful people on the planed in the top 10-20 richest/most powerful people. He has lots of drive and is smartest of the 3 guys. He's aiming to change the course of history and influence billions of people.




All 3 of the guys have ambitions but the 3rd guy is smarter and has much bigger ambitions and is accomplished much(proven he can do it). Are those 3 guys the same in a girls eyes?

Is it just the fact that a guy is passionate about sth and has ambitions that makes him attractive or does the magnitude of his ambition, also matter?


Meaning in the eyes of a girl is a guy like Steve Jobs, Bill Gates, Richard Branson, ets perceived higher that a jock who's ambition is to have mors muscles and win a body building competition?

Considering that all these guys are the same on attractiveness level. The only difference is their ambitions/accomplishments.

 

[Franco]

MisterX,

In all honesty, I believe how much ambition you have pales in comparison to many other qualities a guy might have to generate attraction from women. In general, a guy needs to have ambition to give off that aura of attraction to women, but whether that ambition is to open your own gym or become a billionaire business entrepreneur I think is less important than things like your fundamentals, competency in the bedroom, and ability to maintain strong frame control.

When you say "same attractiveness level," I'm assuming you mean that all of the above qualities (fundamentals, sex, and frame) are what you are referring to, so if any guy is stronger in those areas and has SOME ambition for something, he will still be more dominant than the guy who has ambition to become a billionaire but is weaker in the above qualities. (Of course, the exception actually comes when you have a guy who already IS a billionaire; at that point, it's no longer "ambition" but instead "proven success," which is a completely different ball game and one I won't discuss here).

If the guys are equal in the above-listed qualities (fundamentals, sex, frame), then it's possible that there is a very small degree of attraction difference based on ambition level, but it becomes kind of a moot argument since becoming a billionaire is probably much more difficult than opening your own gym on the grand scale, and attempting to become a billionaire just so you can have a 5% advantage (just estimating) in attraction over the guy who wants to open his own gym is not really the reason you should be attempting to become a billionaire; if becoming more attractive to women is your reason, then you're probably not going to succeed at becoming a billionaire anyway.

EDIT: As a side note, letting women know that you have ambitions to become a millionaire/billionaire can actually hurt your game too because obviously women are going to want to put rich men in "the potential boyfriend/husband" role. If she believes that you might actually have the potential to get there, it hurts your cause even more.

Is it just the fact that a guy is passionate about sth and has ambitions that makes him attractive or does the magnitude of his ambition, also matter?

So I feel like the best answer to your question is "no, the magnitude does not matter." Allthough, your ambitions need to still be relatively ambitious. Telling your woman that you desire to beat the video game "Halo" on the hardest difficulty is not the same as telling her you wish to write a best-selling novel or become a manager at your company, of course.

- Franco

 

[Drck]

Forgot to mention guy #4, the ambitious and determined seducer

Women think little bit differently than men. A guy sees a pretty girl and that is good enough for him, that is about 80% he has to know about her. If she smiles and flirts with him, that is the rest 20% that he needs to know before he decides that really wants her. He feels great and that is all he cares about.

Women consider different things. Ambitions, looks, attractiveness, social skills, communication skills, education level, experience with other girls, physique, financial sufficiency, number of close friends, number of ex-girlfriends, smartness, sexiness... and the list goes on an on. She just has a mental list of important things to her in her head and she "grades" guys on it.

Each girl is also different, so she assigns different values to those things. Some girls value physical fitness more than say education level, other girls really don't care about guy's muscles at all.

So the first girl gives a guy with great physical fitness 3 points because she also loves to exercise. The second gives him 0 points for physical fitness because she doesn't care about fitness at all. The first girl gives that guy 2 points for ambitions, the second girl 4 because she is ambitious herself. The first girl gives him 5 points for being a provider because he acts like a provider and she is just looking for one. The other girl gives him 0 points for being a lover because she is looking for lover at this time, and he just doesn't look like a lover. As a matter of fact, she takes away 10 points because she really wants a lover.

She goes through her mental list and simply adds all the points together. The guy who gets most points wins. Most likely she doesn't do it logically and consciously, rather emotionally: After she goes through the list, the guy who makes her feel the best wins...

That is why you can be a great guy with lots of positive characteristics, but some women just don't care about you at all, no matter what you do. Your points don't "add up" into a picture of a guy she's got in her mind, you are not what she is looking for at that particular time. Which of course doesn't mean that her grading system can't change in the future. Make her feel great about herself, and she may tweak some of the points in your advantage...

You can probably find some characteristics that are valued more, while others less. For example, most likely she would not subtract points from you for being physical fit, but she may subtract a lot of points from you if you don't meet her education level. Or, if you don't have decent attraction and sexiness billions in your bank won't really convince her that you "worth" her...