Health The seducers main hormone testosterone

[Skills]

I experimented with ashwanganda for a while, and it definitely gave me all the effects of high testosterone (raging boners, high energy, deeper voice), but then stopped it when I read about the potential side effects from prolonged use. I actually met a guy who developed some quite serious health conditions from what he suspected was too much ashwaganda use.


Yes. I think with good sleep, exercise and balanced diet, it's not necessary to supplement for testosterone unless you really do have clinically low levels (in which case it's probably a deficiency in something)

i did the same including avena sativa, and other herbs..... It worked for a while then stop working.....

 

[Skills]

Agree on T being key to seduction. The main downside I see with exogenous T, is that you deprive your body and brain of context-sensitivity.

So for a regular guy with great T, he'd have a huge spike in activity related to seduction or sex, but then also the option to properly downregulate the levels after cumming. Chronic elevation of T, blocks a lot of pairbonding receptors and thus has some association with psychopathic behavior. But I'd probably consider TRT if I had low levels.

The only person I saw do high-levels of T up close, kind of crashed his life by making some reckless decisions, and then became dependent upon it for his way of life.

most psychopathic people i met are seducers hands down, none of them on trt.... How you explain that....

trust me, they make psychopaths look like saints

 

[FreeJ]

do you have any clinical control trials that you can provide confirming the above....... Total none sense...

"Testosterone administration reduces empathetic behavior: a facial mimicry study"

"Supraphysiological testosterone levels from anabolic steroid use and reduced sensitivity to negative facial expressions in men"

"Oxytocin, testosterone, and human social cognition"

 

[Skills]

"Testosterone administration reduces empathetic behavior: a facial mimicry study"

"Supraphysiological testosterone levels from anabolic steroid use and reduced sensitivity to negative facial expressions in men"

"Oxytocin, testosterone, and human social cognition"

Please re read those studies...

In the first one read the first paragraph... were it says no evidence...

In the second one is talking about steroids..

In the 3rd one talks about autist...

Nice try brah!! Trt is taking your level to when you were younger...

So if t is 300 snd when you were younger was 1k that is all you are doing...

Find out what is testosterone replacement therapy... Then meet people that are on it... No steroids, no super natural levels... Optimal levels when you were in your teens...

When my t levels were low I was super angry... have you heard the term grumpy old man... usually due to low t..

 

[FreeJ]

Please re read those studies...

In the first one read the first paragraph... were it says no evidence...

In the second one is talking about steroids..

In the 3rd one talks about autist...

Nice try brah!! Trt is taking your level to when you were younger...

So if t is 300 snd when you were younger was 1k that is all you are doing...

Find out what is testosterone replacement therapy... Then meet people that are on it... No steroids, no super natural levels... Optimal levels when you were in your teens...

When my t levels were low I was super angry... have you heard the term grumpy old man... usually due to low t..

For 1. I invite anyone to read the abstract themselves if they want.

For 2. Right, testosterone IS an anabolic steroid. If you read my original post I wrote about the potential downsides of "exogenous T".

For 3. I'd let people read themselves. It's common in biomed papers to tie theory to helping conditions, e.g depression, autism and schizophrenia in this one. But your point doesn't make sense, it's a review paper about oxytocin, T, and social cognition hence the title.

But honestly, if TRT works great for you Skills that's awesome. As for your anecdote about low T, I completely agree. Low T for me is miserable. Listen, I love when people want to debate, so feel free to have at it. But correct me if I'm wrong, I don't get the sense you care about the scientific details that much.

 

[Hue]

I don't care about FDA approval very much anymore.

Adderall is FDA approved. So are SRRIs and weight loss drugs.

Tongkat Ali has very promising studies, and I use it every day for hormonal balance.


For big party weekends I take a bunch of it and it gives me boundless energy and great elections.

I was taking too much at one point and was getting psychologically addicted. Mood swings. But bro I was taking like 3000mg which is almost x10 the recommended sustainable dose (400mg).

 

[Hue]

Oh and Tongkat for sure, no doubt in my mind, amplifies pheromones.

 

[Skills]

I don't care about FDA approval very much anymore.

Adderall is FDA approved. So are SRRIs and weight loss drugs.

Tongkat Ali has very promising studies, and I use it every day for hormonal balance.


For big party weekends I take a bunch of it and it gives me boundless energy and great elections.

I was taking too much at one point and was getting psychologically addicted. Mood swings. But bro I was taking like 3000mg which is almost x10 the recommended sustainable dose (400mg).

Yes i did it but after a while stop working

 

[RaHorus888]

Yes, and eating the right diet is important for that. The animal based diet is best. I don't think carbs are inherently bad, they just store as low quality fat and can cause issues if not burnt through exercise. For anabolism and performance they are great, but only when the protein/cholesterol/fats are met. Most people simply have a parasite infested damaged gut (i.e leaky gut, candida overgrowth, SIBO/SIFO) mainly due to antibiotic use and need to heal it before re-introducing carbs, which is why full keto is a great transition diet, but not the best long term.

Most of the micronutrients responsible for a variety of functions in the body, including muscle growth, are found in animal fat. You also NEED fat and cholesterol to optimally produce testosterone and have overall fluid cell function.

Men do have low testosterone nowadays and are completely oblivious to it. Consuming seed oils and zombie foods has played a large part in that. Seed oils are not proper human food. Consider how bizarre it is. Tiny seeds bred for engine oil, too toxic to consume in their native form. Modified to produce less toxic oil. A human doesn't require or want megadoses of omega 6 unless fat gain via insulin resistance is their primary goal. Nor do they want artery stopping phytosterols.

The modern healthcare system has failed them as the goal is to create good little obedient slaves to extract as much value as possible out of, with little in return.

If men had higher testosterone, they wouldn't accept and comply with the absurdity of modern life, the modern job market and modern dating in general.

Highest ROI advice I can give for T is eat 6-12 eggs a day, 0.7 to 1kg of beef a day, butter/ghee and train hard, drink lots of water, get sunlight if you can (or supplement 10k IUs of vitamin D a day).

I can literally feel the T coursing through my veins after eating the correct foods and exercising properly. Fat is the one nutrient I don't believe in limiting. As much as you want, always, everytime. Anyone who promotes a low fat diet is a criminal in my books.

It's stupidly easy to rise above the zombies of this world if you know what to do to maximize yourself and stay consistent.

 

[Skills]

Yes, and eating the right diet is important for that. The animal based diet is best. I don't think carbs are inherently bad, they just store as low quality fat and can cause issues if not burnt through exercise. For anabolism and performance they are great, but only when the protein/cholesterol/fats are met. Most people simply have a parasite infested damaged gut (i.e leaky gut, candida overgrowth, SIBO/SIFO) mainly due to antibiotic use and need to heal it before re-introducing carbs, which is why full keto is a great transition diet, but not the best long term.

Most of the micronutrients responsible for a variety of functions in the body, including muscle growth, are found in animal fat. You also NEED fat and cholesterol to optimally produce testosterone and have overall fluid cell function.

Men do have low testosterone nowadays and are completely oblivious to it. Consuming seed oils and zombie foods has played a large part in that. Seed oils are not proper human food. Consider how bizarre it is. Tiny seeds bred for engine oil, too toxic to consume in their native form. Modified to produce less toxic oil. A human doesn't require or want megadoses of omega 6 unless fat gain via insulin resistance is their primary goal. Nor do they want artery stopping phytosterols.

The modern healthcare system has failed them as the goal is to create good little obedient slaves to extract as much value as possible out of, with little in return.

If men had higher testosterone, they wouldn't accept and comply with the absurdity of modern life, the modern job market and modern dating in general.

Highest ROI advice I can give for T is eat 6-12 eggs a day, 0.7 to 1kg of beef a day, butter/ghee and train hard, drink lots of water, get sunlight if you can (or supplement 10k IUs of vitamin D a day).

I can literally feel the T coursing through my veins after eating the correct foods and exercising properly. Fat is the one nutrient I don't believe in limiting. As much as you want, always, everytime. Anyone who promotes a low fat diet is a criminal in my books.

It's stupidly easy to rise above the zombies of this world if you know what to do to maximize yourself and stay consistent.

best diet is the best someone can adher to, there is not such thing as "best".... people that talk about best this and that fanatisism... ^ the above tons of reasonable stuff mix with total mental masturbation... but thanks!

 

[Francis]

best diet is the best someone can adher to, there is not such thing as "best".... people that talk about best this and that fanatisism... ^ the above tons of reasonable stuff mix with total mental masturbation... but thanks!

That is a good point Skills... even if Norwegian 4x4 HIIT is proven by research to be the objectively best method for VO2 max for example, it may not be the "best" for everyone if they do not enjoy and adhere to it.

On testosterone, I find compound lifts (squat, deads, press, bench) in sets of 5 to have a much greater effect than other lifting (haven't tried sets of 3 due to injury risk... and I am currently injured to the point of not lifting). This is based on feeling though... I haven't blood tested against higher rep ranges.

@casey_jfly's field report thread is a good example of how dropping his routine affected seduction.

 

[RaHorus888]

best diet is the best someone can adher to, there is not such thing as "best".... people that talk about best this and that fanatisism... ^ the above tons of reasonable stuff mix with total mental masturbation... but thanks!

What if someone can only adhere to a fast food breakfast, lunch and dinner diet? You believe that is best? Consuming all of those carcinogenic deep fried seed oils and disease causing addictives would destroy ones health overtime.

Outlining the dangers of zombie foods isn't "mental masturbation" smh. Its doing a lot more than tanking mens testosterone levels.

Everyone was thin in the 1940s/1950s and they ate tons of sugar and carbs. Sugar intake over 100 years hasn't changed too much. Seed oils have been an infinite rise. Sugar has a half life of probably a few minutes in the body. Seed oils have a 2 year half life in the form of omega 6 linoleic acid.

Nothing else compares to a toxic oil that takes over 8 years to remove from the body, spreading metabolic disease upon everything it touches. Nothing else can explain the explosion of western disease than the infinite rise of a completely novel, synthetic food item laden with dangerous amounts of inflammatory omega 6 and the corresponding toxic, cancerous, thrombotic, atherogenic metabolites such as 4HNE.

I will add that seed oils create excess reactive oxygen species resulting in insulin resistance creating a scenario where sugar becomes dangerous.

A human appropriate diet of full fat ruminant meats, eggs, butter/ghee/tallow, full fat yogurt with live cultures, raw milk, fish (omega 3) and some fruit is the best diet period. Chickens are fed a shit diet of corn and soy and are full of omega 6 due to that.

Veggies are just awful. Peasant food and they taste like garbage too. Megadosing anti-nutrients, megadosing toxic defense chemicals. And the tiny tiny bit of minerals are locked up in phytates with lackluster nutrients (beta carotene instead of retinol a in meats and dairy. Zero nutrition, 10,000% your daily value of carpet bombing your stomach and intestines with lectins, goitrins, phytic acid, oxalates, furanocumarins, and and endless assortment of inedible toxic compounds.

There is a reason why people become farting machines when they consume veggies.

 

[Skills]

What if someone can only adhere to a fast food breakfast, lunch and dinner diet? You believe that is best? Consuming all of those carcinogenic deep fried seed oils and disease causing addictives would destroy ones health overtime.

Outlining the dangers of zombie foods isn't "mental masturbation" smh. Its doing a lot more than tanking mens testosterone levels.

Everyone was thin in the 1940s/1950s and they ate tons of sugar and carbs. Sugar intake over 100 years hasn't changed too much. Seed oils have been an infinite rise. Sugar has a half life of probably a few minutes in the body. Seed oils have a 2 year half life in the form of omega 6 linoleic acid.

Nothing else compares to a toxic oil that takes over 8 years to remove from the body, spreading metabolic disease upon everything it touches. Nothing else can explain the explosion of western disease than the infinite rise of a completely novel, synthetic food item laden with dangerous amounts of inflammatory omega 6 and the corresponding toxic, cancerous, thrombotic, atherogenic metabolites such as 4HNE.

I will add that seed oils create excess reactive oxygen species resulting in insulin resistance creating a scenario where sugar becomes dangerous.

A human appropriate diet of full fat ruminant meats, eggs, butter/ghee/tallow, full fat yogurt with live cultures, raw milk, fish (omega 3) and some fruit is the best diet period. Chickens are fed a shit diet and are full of omega 6 due to that.

Veggies are just awful. Peasant food and they taste like garbage too. Megadosing anti-nutrients, megadosing toxic defense chemicals. And the tiny tiny bit of minerals are locked up in phytates with lackluster nutrients (beta carotene instead of retinol a in meats and dairy. Zero nutrition, 10,000% your daily value of carpet bombing your stomach and intestines with lectins, goitrins, phytic acid, oxalates, furanocumarins, and and endless assortment of inedible toxic compounds.

There is a reason why people become farting machines when they consume veggies.

Of course you go to an extreme sample:
Eat .8 to 1 gram of protein to maintain mustle and be in slightly calorie deficit, use carbs or fat or both depending on your adherance and or preferences... A lot of junk and crappy food unlikely that in excess will allow you to achieve the goal but nice try... My last response to you, every forum i have been to the fitness and nutrition argument goes in circles... Write a post with your recommendations and do not derail my post...

I follow Doctor Layne Norton, based on field test and facts, and data vs emotional opinions:

 

[Kshatrap A.V.]

Veggies are just awful

Total bs.

The majority of accolades won internationally in wrestling ( and to some extent boxing) for my country is won by my state which has majority vegetarians ( around 60-70%) but guys are quite tall as well as into fitness.

I even wrote a post few years ago for being stereotyped for being too macho and aggressive by a girl cuz of my state.

There are more ways to manliness and testosterone. And also it's not like the girl will aske before sex that whether I eat veggies or meat

Apologies for being off topic @Skills

 

[Francis]

The fifth fundamental..?

https://thehill.com/policy/defense/5969935-hegseth-testosterone-testing-dod/

 

[Skills]

The fifth fundamental..?

https://thehill.com/policy/defense/5969935-hegseth-testosterone-testing-dod/

jesus! these people running the country are pure trolls tbh..... wholly fuck! is that article real???

 

[Francis]

jesus! these people running the country are pure trolls tbh..... wholly fuck! is that article real???

yeah, The Hill is one of the most legit political publications out there. less biased than Politico

video of Hegseth talking about it:

https://www.reuters.com/legal/litigation/hegseth-announces-testosterone-screening-us-troops-2026-07-16/

Trump officials want to make testosterone drugs easier to prescribe. Is that a good idea?

Health officials serving under President Donald Trump want to make it easier for men to get a prescription for testosterone.

apnews.com

 

[Teevster]

Any experiences with ashwaganda (@Atlas IV ), boron, or tongkat ali (@Hue )? tagged guys who've mentioned them in case they've tried further sustained use

I am still aiming to fix sleep first though (which is also yin/yang with exercise) before supplementing as a band aid

For sleep:
Ashwaganda
Valerian root
L-tryptophan/5hpt

Only natural remedies that work.

-Teevster

 

[Skills]

I use melatonin and has anti oxiden properties...youth benefits 10 mg

 

[Skills]

yeah, The Hill is one of the most legit political publications out there. less biased than Politico

video of Hegseth talking about it:

https://www.reuters.com/legal/litigation/hegseth-announces-testosterone-screening-us-troops-2026-07-16/

Trump officials want to make testosterone drugs easier to prescribe. Is that a good idea?

Health officials serving under President Donald Trump want to make it easier for men to get a prescription for testosterone.

apnews.com

I need to get out of this toilet ASAP...this country is a total embarrassment and circus....