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mindful

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what’s up guys, haven’t written a LR in a while and this one was pretty interesting (and long) so thought it would be good to share :)


I was visiting family friends who live in the town I went to college to this past week. I usually like visiting the area to see them but also because I like targeting asian girls at the Ivy League school here. My success when I visit is nearly 100%, I target the seniors that are pretty much over the partying and college guys and are ready for the next phase of their life. Since I am older and out of school, this plays into my hands nicely.


It didn’t take me long to find what I was looking for. After a few hours of gradual swiping on tinder, I came across a cute 21 yr old asian that caught my attention. We go back and forth over text, and I make it clear early on I want to meet up, but she is still being kind of a pain in the ass and didn’t know if she even wanted to leave the house this night (tues evening).

After more texting and being more warm and asking her some stuff about herself (mainly about school) i leave the convo with one of those ‘“A-ok” finger emojis. I wasn’t gonna push anymore to hang out and figured if she wanted to meet up she would respond.. She then asks me “what’s the plan”. I tell her we can go grab that drink I mentioned beforehand at bar XXX. She agrees and we meet at the bar 30 mins later. I get to the bar and she was there waiting for me, we do introductions and I tell her she cleaned up nicely and looks good. After ordering our drinks we sit down at a small round table and just carry on a normal convo.

It is in this convo that I find out she is not completely happy with her life right now. She had an internship in NYC during the summer which she didn’t like at all, and is now questioning the field she is in (finance). We bond over this as I tell her some obstacles in my own career and feelings of doubt as well. There wasn’t much sexual framing needing to be done here, this girl already seemed into me and interested, just by the way she was looking at me.

Anyways, We don’t stay at the bar too long, maybe an hour or so. I then invite her to smoke with me down near the dock of the lake. We start walking to my car and she is playfully teasing me, asking me “this is weird I’m going with a stranger”, “you aren’t going to kill me right”. I respond in a playful way and we continue the walk. She also asks me if I am a fuck boy. Which is something i hate when girls asks honestly. I didn’t say anything witty or cocky when she did, just playfully asked her if she thought I was or something.

We get to the dock and smoke the pipe. We continue to talk and I eventually kiss her. I don’t go all in though, just a quick passionate kiss then break loose. We continue to talk and chill for a few more minutes. It’s actually getting quite cold and windy at this point. We walk back to my car and she grabs my hand as we do.

We get back to my car and I open the back door, she asks no questions and hops in. Once in we start to immediately make out and the clothes start coming off. I didn’t have a place to bring this girl back to so I had to fuck her in my car. After sex, she got a little weird in the car, I’ve noticed this sometimes with girls that have some emotional issues… we were cuddling and stuff, just normal things after sex, and then when i was looking at her she looks away… and then sort of taps me on the shoulder with her hand sort of like in a “ok this was fun, whats next” kind of way, trying to avoid intimacy.

I bring her back to her place and its quite late, like almost 2 AM. I ask her if I can stay over and she says “its up to me” or something. I let her out and tell her I need to go park my car then I’ll walk back to her spot. I text her when I park my car and she doesn’t immediately respond. I text her again and she gives me her address and says to just come in.

We go to her room and lay in her bed. We are just talking and eventually we have sex again, I was kind of worried about my car since I thought I had to pay, so I told her I’m going to go check on it and asked once again asked her if she wanted me to stay over. She said once again it was “up to me and she was indifferent about it” or something.

I end up staying over and the next morning I have to be up early to move my car by 9 AM. We have a quick fuck and off I go.

I text her later in the day around 4PM telling her I had a good time with her. She responds and we text back and forth a little bit. I tried to hang out with her again that night but she never really directly answered my question to. Later at night, I forget what the convo was like, but she was like “lol you tryna to come over ?”. At that point I was kind of frustrated with her and it was late and I was chilling at my family friends place so I told her “not right now”.

The next day we are texting again and I playfully say “you’re tough, or you don’t wanna see me again ;)” After telling her I wanted to take her some place that evening and she didn’t respond (yes i double-texted). Anyways, she responds to what was previously mentioned and then says “and that depends “, “where are you taking me”.

I tell her I want to take her to a scenic spot but can’t give away all the details. I then ask her if 7 is good and she says “8 would be better”.

I pick her up at 8 and we head off to this secluded area by the lake near where my family friends house is. It’s a chill spot with some benches and such overlooking the lake (different area than where we were before). I brought a blanket and such. We are chilling down by the dock just talking and then start making out. By this time it is quite dark out and we eventually have sex again down on this bench overlooking the water. We talk some more for a while about different topics, just getting to know her even more and such.

Once again I end up staying at her place. But we get back there way earlier than when I first met her a few days ago. We end up having sex again and this is where I find out some more interesting things about her. Just having normal pillow talk and she starts asking me more deeper questions, asking me “whats your longest relationship” and such. I tell her and then ask her the same thing. She tells me 9 months and that she just recently broke up with her boyfriend in June. I say something about being a rebound and she tells me “ oh you aren’t the first” or something like that. It’s in this convo that we start talking about love. She asks me if I’ve ever been in love. I get pretty raw with her and tell her I don’t think I’ve ever fully loved a girl unconditionally where I would put her before myself, even though I was in a relationship for a year and a half at one point. She then tells me she would of done anything for her boyfriend. I then tell her that she seems to keep her guard up and she tells me that she has a hard time trusting people but does fall in love easily or something.

We then talk some more about stuff. She said she had a fling with a dude in the city when she was there for her internship. We then talk about her family and she tells me they are mostly there for financial and career support. Nothing really emotional. She tells me that they give her the typical three choices of things to study in college = law, medicine, or business. She tells me she won’t see them for a year because she had her internship in the city so she didn’t go back home that summer and she won’t see them until Xmas. Right then and there I could tell she had a lot going on inside her, between the break up with her bf not even 2 months ago, to the angst with her career path, and also having typical over bearing asian parents that aren’t there for her emotionally.

We end up sleeping in til about 10:30 AM. She doesn’t have class on Fridays so her day is pretty much open. We have sex again and then finally get to our feet to start the day. We go out for coffee and such. I offer to pay for hers but she denies it, which was kind of surprising. After that I take her to where I went to college to walk around the campus and such. We hold hands a lot, even before when getting coffee. I try to take a selfie with her but she denies me saying “that’s too intimate, can’t have a pic of us on the internet”. Its kind of annoying, I don’t really take offense as I just attribute it to where she is at in life right now, and she obviously seems burned or not trusting of guys right now. So i did the next best thing, have her take pics of me! lol.

We then get to a more secluded part of campus where there is a pond and such. After a little while I pull her into the covered trees/ bushes and fuck her doggy style and cum on her back / ass. She then pulls up her pants and we leave the area.

Once we get back to my car she asks me “whats next?”. It’s only like 3 pm so I take her to a spot outside the city for a moderate hike around the falls. I can’t remember too much of convos but it was a pleasant time and I made her take more pics of me, and tried showing her how to skip rocks across the water, which she was pretty horrible at lol.

Oh I forgot to mention we also got food earlier in the day at a deli shop. It was here that we walked by a concert venue downtown and I noticed a band was coming to town soon that I really liked. Of course I asked her to go with me, etc. At first she denied it and then when we were eating our sandwiches we were looking at ticket prices and such.

I finally drop her off at like 5PM and ask her if she wants me to stay over that night, since I was going to leave and head home that night but would stay longer if she wanted me to. She did seem excited about this and told me I could stay over. She said she might be going out with friends and such and I couldn’t come over til at least 11 or so. I told her that’s fine and we agree to meet later.

I end up back at her place shortly after 11. Her house mates (6 girls) are all there looking like they are getting ready for some Friday night fun. I walk in the house and they are all looking at me lol. The one girl comes up and gives me a hug, since I met her before and had a nice short convo with her. I then go to the girls room and we chill out for the rest of the night. Another thing I forgot to mention is that anytime I looked at this girl in the eyes for more than like 3 seconds she would be like “what?”. And then i would smile and tease her and she would say that is too intimate for her and I need to stop looking at her like that. This was said on multiple occasions out in public / as well as back at her place when we fucked.

So yeah, we end of fucking again and I sleep over. The next day we grab coffee and then she has a lunch date with her girlfriend. As we are walking through the more college-y part of town I try to hold her hand but she tells me “i can’t have people thinking i’m off the market”. So she would hold my hand any other time but not when we are near campus where people she knows can see us. I tell her Im leaving in the evening to go to my friends place to watch the boxing fight. I ask her if she wants to get together before I leave and I can’t remember what she says exactly but says yes. We part ways and she ends up texting me a few hours later asking me if I decided when I was going to leave.

We plan to meet up again later in the day and tells me to call her if I do since she’s going to take a nap but will have her ringer on. I end up picking her up around 5 and we head down to the local grocery store to grab food and she also does some grocery shopping (yes I know this is bad, but i had time to kill so whatever). I realize I’ve been spending a lot of time with her and doing “boyfriend” type things here. The again I don’t care since I’m visiting and I have a girl that is down to hang out with me and do things so its all good.

After this we grab food at a gyro place. It is here that she tells me what type of guys she goes for, and it is text-book girls chase type of stuff :)

She tells me that she likes dark and brooding guys (older guys). Guys that she has to chase, etc. I found this very interesting especially hearing from a girl firsthand how she likes to chase a particular guy that she doesn’t “have”. It’s also during this dinner that as I was looking at her she told me to stop since it felt like I was “looking into her soul” lol. it weird that this girl was giving me so much shit about how I was looking at her as I’ve never had a girl call me out on this before. Anyways, I didn’t think anything of it like usual, just chalking it off as her keeping her guard up.

After this I drop her off and ask her if she wants to hang out for another hour or so before I leave. She says “oh your just trying to kill time right now” in a playful way. I told her yes but that also I wanted to continue to hang out with her and such. I think she mentions sex here, but I tell her that I am kind of drained from all the sex we’ve had so I don’t really have that on my mind (which was true).

We end up back in her room again. she puts on music like she usually does and we are just talking. However, it quickly escalates as we start making out heavily. She is such a good kisser and I really like kissing her. Before I know it I am going down on here and licking her pussy once again. This girl stays so wet and horny, I’ve fucked her so much at this point i seriously don’t know how she isn’t sore. Anyways I make her climb on top of me and she rides me for a solid 10 minutes or so. Staying extremely wet for me the whole time. I then turn her over and do her doggy style. It is her favorite position. I spank her ass, pull her hair, and put my hands around her throat, which she actually likes when guys do. I fuck her really well and then cum all over her ass. afterwards, she just pulls her shirt down and I wipe it off for her a little bit but not really lol.

shortly after I tell her that I have to go soon for real. she says she wants to kiss me some more before I leave, so we continue a passionate makeout before I leave. I then have her walk to my car and she has a cigarette with me before leaving. I don’t really smoke, only occasionally and had a pack.

We then say our goodbyes and I mention the concert to her again (which I mentioned multiple times since the previous day), all her responses are different - “its too pricey i don’t really listen to them”, “I have other concerts I wanna see”, “I’ll go if its free”, etc.



So that was kind of a short intense romance I had with this girl during my trip down. I realize I did a lot of things wrong here, but only broke the rules because I was really trying to compress or time together. this lead to me double-texting and even acting a little needy, doing boyfriend type stuff, holding her hand, etc. On a few days, she actually did have things to do with her friends but blew them off to continue hanging with me. However, I don’t know how big of a deal this was as its start of the semester for her and these are her close friends she will be able to see at any time.


I really wanted to post this because I honestly don’t know what to make of it. I’m going to be heading down again in a few weeks for a concert so I’ve been keeping it alive with texting her but trying not to too much. She also has a habit of deading the convos and I have to reinitialize. She also seems pretty sexually active (and defintely experienced) so a couple weeks is like a year to a 21 yr old girl like this. I honestly still don’t know if she actually likes me or was just going with the flow because it took her out of her mundane existence for a few days.

Any feedback is appreciated!
 

multi_talented

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Nice lay report! It looks like there's a lot to comment on here, so I look forward to reading what the more experienced guys have to say.

What would be the best way to handle these shit-tests? I can't seem to come up with anything good to say, especially the fuckboy one.
- "this is weird, I'm going out with a stranger"
- "you aren't going to kill me right?"
- "are you a fuckboy?"
 

Seppuku

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Hey mindful,

It is a very nice LR, and quite masterful. You know very well what you are doing and don't seem to need much advice. Let me share a few thoughts on the seduction part first - though I guess you already know what I have to say. I also want to review the post-sex parts of your LR in a separate post.

mindful said:
but she is still being kind of a pain in the ass and didn’t know if she even wanted to leave the house this night (tues evening).

After more texting and being more warm and asking her some stuff about herself (mainly about school) i leave the convo with one of those ‘“A-ok” finger emojis. I wasn’t gonna push anymore to hang out and figured if she wanted to meet up she would respond.. She then asks me “what’s the plan”.
She needed more convincing before accepting the offer. It seems she bought in when you were ready to leave the convo and demonstrated that you have options and are not another needy ass. It all makes sense.
We bond over this as I tell her some obstacles in my own career and feelings of doubt as well. There wasn’t much sexual framing needing to be done here, this girl already seemed into me and interested, just by the way she was looking at me.
You handled the emotional connection part very well. However you can still use sexual frames (like sexual innuendos) to build up tension and make her horny, even if she is clearly into you - provided that you have a plan to escalate on her right after that (which you had). Making her horny, then not escalating is counter productive and will likely lose you the girl.
We start walking to my car and she is playfully teasing me, asking me “this is weird I’m going with a stranger”, “you aren’t going to kill me right”.
Said playfully by her, it means you are doing things right. You're on the right track.
She also asks me if I am a fuck boy. Which is something i hate when girls asks honestly. I didn’t say anything witty or cocky when she did, just playfully asked her if she thought I was or something.
The fuckboy question is a shit test of course. She knows you are, but wants to check that you are not going to lose your shit and go defensive. Any sort of denial here, and you're done. You chose to deflect, quite adroitly, which is one possible option. Another response would have been a cocky answer, something so big that it's difficult to believe, yet leaves doubt in her mind. Example "Yeah, I need one new clean girl every night before sleeping ;-)" with a playful tone and a wink.
We continue to talk and I eventually kiss her. I don’t go all in though, just a quick passionate kiss then break loose. We continue to talk and chill for a few more minutes. It’s actually getting quite cold and windy at this point. We walk back to my car and she grabs my hand as we do.
Well done, you are building sexual tension. Her grabbing you hand is a very good sign. You escalate her right away after that in the car.
After sex, she got a little weird in the car, I’ve noticed this sometimes with girls that have some emotional issues… we were cuddling and stuff, just normal things after sex, and then when i was looking at her she looks away… and then sort of taps me on the shoulder with her hand sort of like in a “ok this was fun, whats next” kind of way, trying to avoid intimacy.
My best guess is, she's trying not to get attached.

Alright, I'll try to review the rest later.

Cheers,
Seppuku
 

Seppuku

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Comment, second part.

I really wanted to post this because I honestly don’t know what to make of it.
I think she liked you and enjoyed being with you, but she's realistic about the fact that you are only around for a few days before returning home. Therefore, she's not considering you as a boyfriend candidate. Add to that the fact that you seduced her in a short time frame. For her, you are a casual fling. This actually helped you to get her (besides your undeniable skills).

This explains a few things - no pic with a guy over Internet / no holding hand in public - because she "doesn't want to be seen as off market". She doesn't want to scare off a potential local boyfriend. Also, she's taking steps not to fall in love with you.

The second day lay. You had to work your way a little bit to get her again - unless I misread your post - but that's actually quite common. The second lay usually amounts to a second seduction (albeit easier than the first time). No surprise that you had to put on a little work.

Asian cultures. You faced a few cultural things. If I had to guess, from what you describes, and according to what I know of Asian cultures, she would be of Japanese or Korean descent (or maybe from some places of China). Not all Asian cultures are the same. The "can't hold your gaze because it's too direct" would very well fit what I know of Japanese people. There, people would never stare you straight in the eyes. The "emotionally absent" parents would also very much fit the Japanese profile. Asians from the South East (Thailand, Philippines, and probably also Malaysian and VietNamese) would be much more cool with these two things. Again, it's my guess. In your case, it shouldn't be a big deal, just be aware that it's a cultural difference that you just have to respect.

The "aha" moment when you are told, directly from the horse's mouth, what was described to you in the seduction community. Here, that she prefers guys who are a challenge. I had a few such moments too, when I was explained some versions of "Provider vs Lover" paradigm by girls. Interestingly, these are feminine mental schemes that are independent of the culture or education of the girl. It works the same pretty much everywhere.

Your "things done wrong". I don't think it was such a big deal. It is important to stick to "seduction rules" when you are just a beginner and don't know shit. When you know what you are doing, it is OK to break such and such rule once in a while. I, myself, am consciously breaking the holy rules regularly (I pay for the date, I take girls in nice but informal dates, I hold hands, etc...). I view the "seduction rules" more like guidelines. It is the overall spirit of these rules that have to be adhered to. Besides, you were already disqualified as BF candidate because coming from a far away place for just a few days. You had leeway.

Moving forward, you should try to keep contact with her because she will make a perfect FB each time you come around. Don't try the BF/GF route because that could push her away. Remember that she viewed you as a casual fling. If you want to take things ore seriously with her, you would need to reframe the interaction - not easy to do. Much better to keep a good, enthusiastic FB in my opinion. The usual texting rules apply - let her initiate most of the time, leave a few text convos unanswered, and avoid any chasey, needy behavior.

Normally a girl comes back to a good Lover, according to her availability. Next time, you may discover that she "forgot" to tell you about her newest boyfriend.

Cheers
Seppuku
 
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mindful

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Seppuku said:
She needed more convincing before accepting the offer. It seems she bought in when you were ready to leave the convo and demonstrated that you have options and are not another needy ass. It all makes sense.

Yep, this is why i just started asking her typical questions about school and such. Even so, she would still just reply but not carry the convo further, so I just left it with the emoji and made her respond back if she indeed wanted to meet up.

Seppuku said:
You handled the emotional connection part very well. However you can still use sexual frames (like sexual innuendos) to build up tension and make her horny, even if she is clearly into you - provided that you have a plan to escalate on her right after that (which you had). Making her horny, then not escalating is counter productive and will likely lose you the girl.

Very true in most cases. It was quite clear she was into me though. I even asked her after the deed if she knew she wanted to fuck me before we met and she said yes she wanted to sleep with me that night. Of course you still need to demonstrate value and that you are a sexual man and move things forward for it to happen.


Seppuku said:
I think she liked you and enjoyed being with you, but she's realistic about the fact that you are only around for a few days before returning home. Therefore, she's not considering you as a boyfriend candidate. Add to that the fact that you seduced her in a short time frame. For her, you are a casual fling. This actually helped you to get her (besides your undeniable skills).

This explains a few things - no pic with a guy over Internet / no holding hand in public - because she "doesn't want to be seen as off market". She doesn't want to scare off a potential local boyfriend. Also, she's taking steps not to fall in love with you.

I agree, it was definitely a casual fling due to the situation (for her). To clarify, she did hold my hand many places (public too), just not in the main college area where she would definitely see people she knew, etc. But yeah, protecting herself none-the-less.


Seppuku said:
Asian cultures. You faced a few cultural things. If I had to guess, from what you describes, and according to what I know of Asian cultures, she would be of Japanese or Korean descent (or maybe from some places of China). Not all Asian cultures are the same. The "can't hold your gaze because it's too direct" would very well fit what I know of Japanese people. There, people would never stare you straight in the eyes. The "emotionally absent" parents would also very much fit the Japanese profile. Asians from the South East (Thailand, Philippines, and probably also Malaysian and VietNamese) would be much more cool with these two things. Again, it's my guess. In your case, it shouldn't be a big deal, just be aware that it's a cultural difference that you just have to respect.

She grew up in the states, not overseas, so she's pretty much a typical American girl, although asian. So i don't think this was the case, but more not wanting to develop that type of intimacy when you look at each other more than just a friend would (since she didn't wanna develop feelings and also to keep her distance with me).

Seppuku said:
Normally a girl comes back to a good Lover, according to her availability. Next time, you may discover that she "forgot" to tell you about her newest boyfriend.

I agree, I think much of what will have to do with if I see her again when I'm down there soon will be her availability and other men in her life at that point. If she's seeing another guy she probably won't want to get with me again since it's just a short-term thing once again.



Thanks for the review man :) Much appreciated.
 

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I agree, I think much of what will have to do with if I see her again when I'm down there soon will be her availability and other men in her life at that point.
This is true most of the time but not always - it depends on how much respect she has for his manhood.

If he is dominant and fucks her good, or not, or if the relationship is new and she likes him a lot, in this case most girls will be loyal to their man. But if she is angry with him (for any punctual reason), or he is not manly enough and she lost some respect, then she will not hesitate.

Lol, how many times did I discover the girl had "forgotten" to mention about the BF.

If she's seeing another guy she probably won't want to get with me again since it's just a short-term thing once again.
Don't underestimate the power of a satisfying side fling with a good Lover!

OK man, anyway again, very nice job. I hope some of the newer guys here read this LR because there are many things to learn from.

Cheers,
Seppuku
 
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