The summer is here, guys (found VOLUME in my approaching city)

[average_daygamer]

Holy shit brothers, busted out 9 approaches in my small daygame city yesterday (NOT London).

Probably missed out on a further 3 due to age approach anxiety. This was not unfounded, however. I stopped one girl, used the Direct compliment and then said "you are over 18, right?" to which she replied "no" and walked off! And she looked uni aged to me.

If I didn't back out of 3 approaches, I could have achieved a theoretical maximum of 12 approaches in a small city with a population of 150k.

Suddenly, the sun god has delivered volume of girls as they always come out when it is sunny!

I am using a direct opener like "hey, you just passed me and you looked GREAT".

I am terrible at improvising unfortunately as I suffer from Asperger's. So any pre canned openers would be appreciated.

The one thing I dislike about daygame is how little time you have to make a judgement a out if the girl is old enough to approach or not. The reason this is important is because this is a number's game and the more you open, the more you close.

So a non daygamer might see you approach in town and think "hey, that girl looked a little young, why did he run over and stop her if he wasn't sure".

But it's not that, once you get into a flow, if you see someone who looks like they have an adult height/build, you've got to go in without hesitating too much otherwise you will never get anything done and potentially waste an opportunity to talk to a pretty 20 year old that you were worried might have been 15 just from a quick glance.

Anyway, I am happy that there was so much volume of girls to approach yesterday, so even with wasting a few approaches, I still achieved good volume.

But I do see threads where guys say stuff like "hey, I did 10 approaches and got 3 phone numbers" which I do find unlikely.

I probably get a phone number once in every 30 approaches, if I had to put a number on it.

 

[Will_V]

Holy shit brothers, busted out 9 approaches in my small daygame city yesterday (NOT London).

Probably missed out on a further 3 due to age approach anxiety. This was not unfounded, however. I stopped one girl, used the Direct compliment and then said "you are over 18, right?" to which she replied "no" and walked off! And she looked uni aged to me.

If I didn't back out of 3 approaches, I could have achieved a theoretical maximum of 12 approaches in a small city with a population of 150k.

Suddenly, the sun god has delivered volume of girls as they always come out when it is sunny!

I am using a direct opener like "hey, you just passed me and you looked GREAT".

I am terrible at improvising unfortunately as I suffer from Asperger's. So any pre canned openers would be appreciated.

Well done!

My favorite two openers are direct compliments about her "you look cute/great/gorgeous/wonderful" and her style "you're looking really stylish today". The second is something I'll use more often with girls who seem like they'd be more aware of how attractive they are, but in general I open with what I genuinely noticed and liked about her (besides her being hot!).

I am a man of simplicity, so I don't use much variety in the things I consider to be less important, once I have a couple of good options. This lets me focus on my presence, my energy, my charm, and simply being able to enjoy myself and make her feel the same.

But it's not that, once you get into a flow, if you see someone who looks like they have an adult height/build, you've got to go in without hesitating too much otherwise you will never get anything done and potentially waste an opportunity to talk to a pretty 20 year old that you were worried might have been 15 just from a quick glance.

Exactly!

 

[Skills]

Holy shit brothers, busted out 9 approaches in my small daygame city yesterday (NOT London).

Probably missed out on a further 3 due to age approach anxiety. This was not unfounded, however. I stopped one girl, used the Direct compliment and then said "you are over 18, right?" to which she replied "no" and walked off! And she looked uni aged to me.

If I didn't back out of 3 approaches, I could have achieved a theoretical maximum of 12 approaches in a small city with a population of 150k.

Suddenly, the sun god has delivered volume of girls as they always come out when it is sunny!

I am using a direct opener like "hey, you just passed me and you looked GREAT".

I am terrible at improvising unfortunately as I suffer from Asperger's. So any pre canned openers would be appreciated.

The one thing I dislike about daygame is how little time you have to make a judgement a out if the girl is old enough to approach or not. The reason this is important is because this is a number's game and the more you open, the more you close.

So a non daygamer might see you approach in town and think "hey, that girl looked a little young, why did he run over and stop her if he wasn't sure".

But it's not that, once you get into a flow, if you see someone who looks like they have an adult height/build, you've got to go in without hesitating too much otherwise you will never get anything done and potentially waste an opportunity to talk to a pretty 20 year old that you were worried might have been 15 just from a quick glance.

Anyway, I am happy that there was so much volume of girls to approach yesterday, so even with wasting a few approaches, I still achieved good volume.

But I do see threads where guys say stuff like "hey, I did 10 approaches and got 3 phone numbers" which I do find unlikely.

I probably get a phone number once in every 30 approaches, if I had to put a number on it.

Don't worry about the age, you are just cold approaching, if then you find out she is a minor, they don't fuck her... That is a nothing burger.....

I would not compliment physically personally, i like to complement more style......... If i have to go direct i just do a simple hi! or hand gesture! to read a bit of micro expressions (i call it buying time), and then i open, a simple opener i have used a lot can't believe is from jmlv (i don't like his game) but he has a version of style time constraint, "can i meet you real quick" that has work for me a lot tbh... i also like to find out if they taking right away and what are they up to???

Summer is great women naked in little shorts and mini skirtls all over the place...

 

[Atlas IV]

I would not compliment physically personally, i like to complement more style......... If i have to go direct i just do a simple hi! or hand gesture! to read a bit of micro expressions (i call it buying time), and then i open, a simple opener i have used a lot can't believe is from jmlv (i don't like his game) but he has a version of style time constraint, "can i meet you real quick" that has work for me a lot tbh... i also like to find out if they taking right away and what are they up to???

Great advice. This is basically what I do nowadays too. Non-physical compliment opener (fashion is easiest go-to or vibe/energy), then if she's with a friend or in a hurry, "can we get to know each other real quick" or something similar, then a little banter, soft close, exchange numbers, or find out what she's doing now/later if you want to go for instadate/SDL. Nice and simple structure.

 

[Chase]

@average_daygamer,

Nicely done getting some approach volume in.

One bit of feedback:

I stopped one girl, used the Direct compliment and then said "you are over 18, right?"

Questions like this are obvious (if implicit) signs of interest.

They function equivalent to a slightly more subtle variety of, "I think you're beautiful and would like to take you on a date."

If the woman is thinking similarly, she'll be excited you asked.

If she isn't at that point yet, however, you'll trigger resistance in her.

Asking immediately after the opener (as you did here) pulls you into "fully direct" territory, where you basically open a woman then immediately ask her to decide on you without any chitchat, courtship, seduction, etc. "Real life Tinder" IOW.

You can check on age but you want to save it for after a little chitchat is built up. Just work it in naturally.

e.g., on a high point, when she is laughing or telling her about herself, you cock your had, put a quizzical, somewhat amused look on your face, and ask her, in a curious voice, "How old are you?" as if you are evaluating her.

That way, rather than feel like it is an unearned display of overt interest on your part, she will get the feeling that you are screening her in response to her implicit signs of interest in YOU.

Very different dynamic, and you are much more likely to get a positive response.

(in your case, the girl may well have been over 18, but simply autopilot rejecting a man who showed too much interest too soon just into having met her)

Chase

 

[Proper]

But I do see threads where guys say stuff like "hey, I did 10 approaches and got 3 phone numbers" which I do find unlikely.

I probably get a phone number once in every 30 approaches, if I had to put a number on it.

My number ratio was also about 1 in 30 FOR YEARS--up until recently.

Coaching with Hector gave me some really simple tips that were seriously holding me back. In my case it was not smiling and emoting enough. That one dumb trick ~10xed my number rate. I'm now averaging 1 in 4 I'd say.

I don't know what's holding you back from a better number rate, but it could be something really simple.

 

[average_daygamer]

@average_daygamer,

Nicely done getting some approach volume in.

One bit of feedback:



Questions like this are obvious (if implicit) signs of interest.

They function equivalent to a slightly more subtle variety of, "I think you're beautiful and would like to take you on a date."

If the woman is thinking similarly, she'll be excited you asked.

If she isn't at that point yet, however, you'll trigger resistance in her.

Asking immediately after the opener (as you did here) pulls you into "fully direct" territory, where you basically open a woman then immediately ask her to decide on you without any chitchat, courtship, seduction, etc. "Real life Tinder" IOW.

You can check on age but you want to save it for after a little chitchat is built up. Just work it in naturally.

e.g., on a high point, when she is laughing or telling her about herself, you cock your had, put a quizzical, somewhat amused look on your face, and ask her, in a curious voice, "How old are you?" as if you are evaluating her.

That way, rather than feel like it is an unearned display of overt interest on your part, she will get the feeling that you are screening her in response to her implicit signs of interest in YOU.

Very different dynamic, and you are much more likely to get a positive response.

(in your case, the girl may well have been over 18, but simply autopilot rejecting a man who showed too much interest too soon just into having met her)

Chase

Thanks for the feedback. I get what you are saying in principle, but I feel too awkward to be chatting with a girl for any period of time before I know she is overaged. I have had that before, if I don't know the girl is overaged, it puts me on edge.

I would normally ask if she was at uni. But I want to practice being more direct on asking for the info I want (her age) because not every 18+ girl even goes to uni.

Hence why I didn't use my "are you at uni" age check method.

 

[Atlas IV]

Thanks for the feedback. I get what you are saying in principle, but I feel too awkward to be chatting with a girl for any period of time before I know she is overaged. I have had that before, if I don't know the girl is overaged, it puts me on edge.

I would normally ask if she was at uni. But I want to practice being more direct on asking for the info I want (her age) because not every 18+ girl even goes to uni.

Hence why I didn't use my "are you at uni" age check method.

I feel like you're worrying about something that really isn't a big deal. You know there's nothing illegal about talking to a girl who's underage, right? There's nothing to be on edge about.

When you go up to a girl and you're unsure whether she's 18 or not, just assume she is until proven otherwise. If you find out she isn't, wish her a nice day and politely excuse yourself. Do this with compassion and goodwill, and even those underage girls will smile to themselves and feel good about the interaction. You gave them a compliment, and they probably walked away feeling better about themselves. I see nothing bad about that.

 

[Tryst]

My number ratio was also about 1 in 30 FOR YEARS--up until recently.

Genuine question - 1/30 for years is crazy. What was your thought process during this time period? What were you trying and testing? Were you conscious that your fundamentals were lacking, or did you attribute it to something else? I have a friend who is struggling with fundamentals right now, and I'm not there to coach him, so I'm curious about these things.

- Tryst

 

[average_daygamer]

Genuine question - 1/30 for years is crazy. What was your thought process during this time period? What were you trying and testing? Were you conscious that your fundamentals were lacking, or did you attribute it to something else? I have a friend who is struggling with fundamentals right now, and I'm not there to coach him, so I'm curious about these things.

- Tryst

I'm not convinced a massive difference is possible from smiling, as described in his example.

I have recently come back from coaching, my coach said my approaching is far from perfect, but generally solid.

I don't see that as being so far out of the ballpark to make a difference from 1/30 to 1/4.

1 number in 30 approaches seems perfectly reasonable to me. If you approach pretty attractive girls then you are going to get rejected more times than not.

 

[average_daygamer]

I feel like you're worrying about something that really isn't a big deal. You know there's nothing illegal about talking to a girl who's underage, right? There's nothing to be on edge about.

When you go up to a girl and you're unsure whether she's 18 or not, just assume she is until proven otherwise. If you find out she isn't, wish her a nice day and politely excuse yourself. Do this with compassion and goodwill, and even those underage girls will smile to themselves and feel good about the interaction. You gave them a compliment, and they probably walked away feeling better about themselves. I see nothing bad about that.

I disagree, here.

If you are out approaching and you approach underaged on a regular enough basis, word is going to go around pretty quickly that you are a pervert of some kind. I know you have a USA perspective, but trust me, England is different.

I don't want to be in an interaction with an underaged person any longer than I need to find they are or not.

I would be really curious to see other daygamers in action and who they approach and their reasoning. For instance, one of my guidelines is if there are a load of college students (16-18) coming through an area, I generally won't approach anyone in that area until I know they are positively overaged, like if they have a tattoo or other indicator. This makes approaching a lot less mentally stressful.

 

[average_daygamer]

Great advice. This is basically what I do nowadays too. Non-physical compliment opener (fashion is easiest go-to or vibe/energy), then if she's with a friend or in a hurry, "can we get to know each other real quick" or something similar, then a little banter, soft close, exchange numbers, or find out what she's doing now/later if you want to go for instadate/SDL. Nice and simple structure.

This is powerful because our are not being as direct. It offers plausible deniability. Let's say you approach a 15 year old girl who looked 21 with this opener.

All she knows is that a man who was into fashion was impressed by her dress sense. And then later in the interaction you find out her age and you can gracefully back out of the interaction without too much awkwardness and cringe.

There is certainly something to be said for this type of approach method, especially if you are unsure on age.