The last time I legitimately went out to day-game was probably 2 or 3 months ago. I decided to stop talking to most of my friends throughout that time. The only people I actually talked to in that time were the ones I went out for runs with at most once or twice a week, never approaching girls in front of them and only leaving the house for food in the intervening period.
After a particularly disastrous day my first time with a wing (met on some local group), I found I'm worst than when I was a beginner.
I figure it's time to get my head (both top and bottom) back into the game, starting from scratch.
This journal is for accountability and tracking.
The Scene
Wearing a light grey T-shirt and faded blue skin-tight jeans, I met my wing for the first time, I didn't actually pay attention to what he was wearing but I noticed shorts.
Walking around the shopping mall talking about game (big mistake apparently, I understand why dreamer recommends never talking about game in-field now, got me in my head) we strolled around until I started getting agitated that the highest number of best looking girls were 1 sets. My state was screwed up and we basically ended up walking for half an hour with our dicks in our hands.
Apparently he was a more direct gamer and didn't seem used to the way I approached, making things really stiff and awkward in addition to my poor game.
After 1 blowout set where I couldn't figure out if the girl I talked too was 40 or just covered in so much make up her face looked older and two 2 sets I didn't approach because I just really wasn't in state, 40 minutes in we went outside and I approached a 2 set.
They were standing next to this low wall thing people sit on next to a river doing something with their bubble tea. I'll call one HBtea and one HBbubble I walked up in a crescent shape next to them and sat down, looked back and saw my wing standing next to them staring at me with his body facing them (???). I gestured at him to sit down before they noticed him next to me and he sat way too far from them. Using style's two part kiss opener, I said to my wing.
Me: Hey btw, have you heard about blah's girlfriend?
Him: No
Me: (turn to face the 2 girls, bumps one with my elbow) Hey I need your opinion on something.
Both girls went ":O" and started laughing.
Me: Come on now wont take long (smile wider, although I'm wearing a mask so I doubt it actually helped much) we have to go meet a friend soon.
HBbubbles: (turns body to face me) Whats the opinion?
Me: I know this guy who's girlfriend went to her friends house, they were screwing around and started kissing, do you think that's cheating?
HBbubbles: Is this friend a girl?
Me: :O wait how did you know?
I figured they heard that line before, surprising the fuck out of me since I figured no ones heard this one in like 10 years, especially where I'm at. From there I basically panicked and my brain shut down, I got stuck on the opener and after trying to salvage the conversation I had too long a lull in conversation and the both of them eventually went back to their own conversation.
Rest of the conversation basically went something like this.
HBbubble: Is she bisexual? If not I don't think so.
Me: So if YOU kiss a girl that's not counted as cheating?
HBtea: (laughs) You can't really say that either actually
And then I made fun of them for saying that while we talked about the topic. I got too stuck on the opener and missed like 3 or 4 chances at least to transition to a better topic, way more chances to just cut the thread and go into something else at that point since I think I hooked them by the previous line before throwing it away in awkwardness.
What I SHOULD have said was
HBbubble: Is she bisexual? If not I don't think so.
Me: You must be the type of girl who give her boyfriends jealousy issues
OR
HBbubbles: Is this friend a girl?
Me: That was fast, got any personal experience in the area?
OR
HBtea: Cant say that either.
Me: Well not to worry, my friend here can't decide either.
and try to bring my wing in to try and take pressure off of myself although I don't think that would've worked anyways nor should I rely on others to fix my mistakes.
OR
Any number of thread cuts to talk about THEIR exes, talk about what they're doing there, etc etc etc
After they went back to their own conversation, I just straight up ejected even though I probably could have just talked to my wing and re-engaged at some point.
Main Mistakes
1. I got stuck on the opener and thrown off guard by her reply, shouldn't have happened in the first place and even if it did I should've just started talking about something else immediately to regain control.
2. My fundamentals weren't the best voice-wise, I was rusty and stuttery on my story and lines and talked too fast.
3. I probably should have brought my wing in when I got IOI's and had him carry part of the conversation with me, although I dont think it would've worked too well.
4. I was too impersonal, I should've gotten their names early on into the interaction. I didn't get it at all in fact before the conversation ended. I also should've went into better topics ASAP.
5. I should've probably not bothered with starting the opinion opener with my wing and just went to the girls immediately.
After this we basically did nothing.
Takeaways
1. I need to work on being more direct, I passed up many opportunities today because I couldn't find a good way to approach and would've benefited from just going in and doing it.
2. Don't talk about game in-field. It just crashes your state. I've never went out with an actual wing and not just some random distant non-pua friends so I have any personal experience on this, but I could've listened to dreamer and I think Lobo who talked about that rule.
3. I need to work on getting to a personal level faster if I go indirect.
4. I need to go direct more often, I should dedicate a day specifically for getting used to it again.
5. Just keep approaching ASAP until I'm fully comfortable with it. No real way around that one sadly.
Next time on The Wheel of Time
I think I'm going solo again at least until I can get consistent hooks. Probably still staying solo after that.
I may be going to one of my favorite spots in a few days time, or maybe I'll check out a new venue I hear is decent. Mystery's newbie mission maybe?
Also how does everyone do the spoiler tag thing? Mine just looks blurred out on my screen and it's making this long as hell.
Everything past this is just my paranoid rant so feel free to ignore it
I actually gave my wing information on one of my venues and I'm sort of paranoid now that he may have just been a spy or something, there was a video recently in my area about puas, granted they used the pua's own videos and I would hardly consider them pua's but still. Didn't get many views either I doubt it would be a problem even if it did come out. And honestly? If anything the video puts the guys going around throwing out pickup lines in front of a camera in a better light than the guy who actually tried to make a video shaming them imo.
I know it's an irrational fear since it would probably do more damage to him than to me but still, I'm a worrywart. Can never be too careful right?
After a particularly disastrous day my first time with a wing (met on some local group), I found I'm worst than when I was a beginner.
I figure it's time to get my head (both top and bottom) back into the game, starting from scratch.
This journal is for accountability and tracking.
The Scene
Wearing a light grey T-shirt and faded blue skin-tight jeans, I met my wing for the first time, I didn't actually pay attention to what he was wearing but I noticed shorts.
Walking around the shopping mall talking about game (big mistake apparently, I understand why dreamer recommends never talking about game in-field now, got me in my head) we strolled around until I started getting agitated that the highest number of best looking girls were 1 sets. My state was screwed up and we basically ended up walking for half an hour with our dicks in our hands.
Apparently he was a more direct gamer and didn't seem used to the way I approached, making things really stiff and awkward in addition to my poor game.
After 1 blowout set where I couldn't figure out if the girl I talked too was 40 or just covered in so much make up her face looked older and two 2 sets I didn't approach because I just really wasn't in state, 40 minutes in we went outside and I approached a 2 set.
They were standing next to this low wall thing people sit on next to a river doing something with their bubble tea. I'll call one HBtea and one HBbubble I walked up in a crescent shape next to them and sat down, looked back and saw my wing standing next to them staring at me with his body facing them (???). I gestured at him to sit down before they noticed him next to me and he sat way too far from them. Using style's two part kiss opener, I said to my wing.
Me: Hey btw, have you heard about blah's girlfriend?
Him: No
Me: (turn to face the 2 girls, bumps one with my elbow) Hey I need your opinion on something.
Both girls went ":O" and started laughing.
Me: Come on now wont take long (smile wider, although I'm wearing a mask so I doubt it actually helped much) we have to go meet a friend soon.
HBbubbles: (turns body to face me) Whats the opinion?
Me: I know this guy who's girlfriend went to her friends house, they were screwing around and started kissing, do you think that's cheating?
HBbubbles: Is this friend a girl?
Me: :O wait how did you know?
I figured they heard that line before, surprising the fuck out of me since I figured no ones heard this one in like 10 years, especially where I'm at. From there I basically panicked and my brain shut down, I got stuck on the opener and after trying to salvage the conversation I had too long a lull in conversation and the both of them eventually went back to their own conversation.
Rest of the conversation basically went something like this.
HBbubble: Is she bisexual? If not I don't think so.
Me: So if YOU kiss a girl that's not counted as cheating?
HBtea: (laughs) You can't really say that either actually
And then I made fun of them for saying that while we talked about the topic. I got too stuck on the opener and missed like 3 or 4 chances at least to transition to a better topic, way more chances to just cut the thread and go into something else at that point since I think I hooked them by the previous line before throwing it away in awkwardness.
What I SHOULD have said was
HBbubble: Is she bisexual? If not I don't think so.
Me: You must be the type of girl who give her boyfriends jealousy issues
OR
HBbubbles: Is this friend a girl?
Me: That was fast, got any personal experience in the area?
OR
HBtea: Cant say that either.
Me: Well not to worry, my friend here can't decide either.
and try to bring my wing in to try and take pressure off of myself although I don't think that would've worked anyways nor should I rely on others to fix my mistakes.
OR
Any number of thread cuts to talk about THEIR exes, talk about what they're doing there, etc etc etc
After they went back to their own conversation, I just straight up ejected even though I probably could have just talked to my wing and re-engaged at some point.
Main Mistakes
1. I got stuck on the opener and thrown off guard by her reply, shouldn't have happened in the first place and even if it did I should've just started talking about something else immediately to regain control.
2. My fundamentals weren't the best voice-wise, I was rusty and stuttery on my story and lines and talked too fast.
3. I probably should have brought my wing in when I got IOI's and had him carry part of the conversation with me, although I dont think it would've worked too well.
4. I was too impersonal, I should've gotten their names early on into the interaction. I didn't get it at all in fact before the conversation ended. I also should've went into better topics ASAP.
5. I should've probably not bothered with starting the opinion opener with my wing and just went to the girls immediately.
After this we basically did nothing.
Takeaways
1. I need to work on being more direct, I passed up many opportunities today because I couldn't find a good way to approach and would've benefited from just going in and doing it.
2. Don't talk about game in-field. It just crashes your state. I've never went out with an actual wing and not just some random distant non-pua friends so I have any personal experience on this, but I could've listened to dreamer and I think Lobo who talked about that rule.
3. I need to work on getting to a personal level faster if I go indirect.
4. I need to go direct more often, I should dedicate a day specifically for getting used to it again.
5. Just keep approaching ASAP until I'm fully comfortable with it. No real way around that one sadly.
Next time on The Wheel of Time
I think I'm going solo again at least until I can get consistent hooks. Probably still staying solo after that.
I may be going to one of my favorite spots in a few days time, or maybe I'll check out a new venue I hear is decent. Mystery's newbie mission maybe?
Also how does everyone do the spoiler tag thing? Mine just looks blurred out on my screen and it's making this long as hell.
Everything past this is just my paranoid rant so feel free to ignore it
I actually gave my wing information on one of my venues and I'm sort of paranoid now that he may have just been a spy or something, there was a video recently in my area about puas, granted they used the pua's own videos and I would hardly consider them pua's but still. Didn't get many views either I doubt it would be a problem even if it did come out. And honestly? If anything the video puts the guys going around throwing out pickup lines in front of a camera in a better light than the guy who actually tried to make a video shaming them imo.
I know it's an irrational fear since it would probably do more damage to him than to me but still, I'm a worrywart. Can never be too careful right?
