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Tony D

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Why is it that some men are able to over come their approach anxiety, while others cannot? If it’s just a matter of experience, and we all know it… then why aren’t they taking the action?

Over ten years as a coach, having taught at least one hundred bootcamps, I’ve seen many men transform themselves, while others remain the same. Until recently I hadn’t put much thought into why. I just taught my class, and moved onto the next.

Many of my coach friends who teach “masculinity” just throw out the “You gotta grow balls and man up!” mantra, and that’s it. Either you have the drive, or you don’t.

Pickup advice mostly teaches mindset (positivity, growth focused, action taking), and tactics (verbal game, fashion and grooming, physical game, etc), but very rarely does it explore the deeper questions of “why?”

Why do you still suck at pickup?

Why do you still have approach anxiety?

Why are you still not taking action?

Why do you want to learn this?

Where one student goes on to sleeping with many beautiful women, and developing healthy relationships… others take a bootcamp, have a short term boost and then slip back into old habits.

The answer I’m working on, is a question of motivation. Namely, intrinsic, vs extrinsic.

The guys who do good, have a very powerful intrinsic motivator. They can vividly see their path, and goal… while the dabblers only have a vague idea, an abstract concept: “I’d like to be more social/meet more girls/find a wife material/have some sex.”

I’ve had other men when I ask why, they say “My family wants me to get married” (extrinsic) but mostly, they don’t have a clue. They’re just lonely. “Why are you lonely?” (Deeper)

“Because I don’t have a girl.”

“Why do you need a girl?” (Deeper)

For these hard case men, it doesn’t matter how many bootcamps they take (technique and mindset), how many articles they read, or courses they study… they won’t change because they don’t know the why.

Not only do they not know their motivations… they don’t know themselves. I can ask a simple question like “What words you you use to describe yourself?” The character they develop, has no congruency with the character they’re aiming to portray (a lover of women). They don’t even have a vision for their own identity now, never mind the version coming after the transformation. They don’t know who they are, or how their mind works. Yet they want to master the art of influencing others, of charm.

If you’re one of these guys, I’d suggest that rather than looking for a new technique, or role model, you explore the nature of your core, motivational systems.

Answer this question:

When have you chosen a goal, felt passion, and taken massive action to achieve that goal? Was it in career? In sports? Was it academic, or spiritual in nature? Picture this, remember it, and ask yourself, what did you want?

Was it money? Why? To buy what?
Muscles? For who? Yourself, or to look good for someone else?
For respect? Why do you feel you need respect? Did someone disrespect you?
For sex? Have you felt a lack of sexual experience in your life?

When you moved towards that goal, what did the vision look like? What movie did you play in your head, that was so bright, so powerful, that you were unable to remain still. You had to move towards it.

Are you driven to physical activity, or intellectual? Are you someone who loves the smell of food, and eating it… or researching, shopping, preparing and cooking? Do you like to serve, or lead? Create or consume?

A hypnotherapist or NLP expert might try visualization techniques to give you the feeling of ambition, but will nearly always fail to motivate to long term, continuous action if the client’s goals aren’t in clear alignment with their true motivations.

So for those of you who are into pickup, but you aren’t approaching nearly enough to gain experience needed for core change… you may need to do some serious deep, inner game work. You may need to discover what actually motivates you, and why you want to learn pickup in the first place.

I make a case, that most men don’t really want to be excellent at game… they want love, power, intimacy, self-respect, external validation, a sense of purpose, a skill.

When your core values don’t align with your goals, motivation fails. This is why so many of us fall into ideologies, religions, and cults. We don’t need to develop our own vision, or rely on intrinsic motivation… we have the Supreme Leader for that. He can tell us what to do… and we don’t need to know why. March!

Many of these men are well conditioned followers. They’ve always been, because somewhere in their core motivation is a deep need for companionship, or recognition.

The men I know who excel at pickup, many of them are motivated more by writing lay reports than getting laid. Many of them just want a score sheet, like travelling to 30 countries in 30 days. Not judging these motivations, but at least they know themselves well enough to utilize them.

What were my core motivations? What drove me to approach thousands of women, without a second thought? That’s easy… I wanted the experience of making love to beautiful young women. I dreamt about it since I was six years old. Not just sex, but intimacy. When I learned about social dynamics, pickup, seduction… I saw it as a form of magic that would grant me access to truth. One of my core values is “truth.” That’s why I’m a writer. I want to know the truth about things that will bring me closer to my goals.

So ask yourself this. What do you think truly motivates you? Start digging.
 

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My main motivation is my pride , it took a while though to tame the beast so I will not end up on the dark side of the force . It also put me in a lot of trouble till i managed to tame it .

When I am playing against the odds this motivates me terribly to succeed , as when things are easy I tend to get bored and loose focus or just start doing other things .

I would lie if I would say that I do not also enjoy telling the story after haha

like Pacino says “ vanity is definitely my favorite sin “ :)
 

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This may end up being the most powerful post on the site for quite some time. I notice it a lot in the pickup community with the rise in MGTOWs and people treating pickup forums as places to discuss politics than actual pickup. The most obvious ones that I know will never achieve greatness are the guys who try to target other posters for "putting pussy on the pedestal" and say vague things like "it's just pussy brah", the same ones saying how there is so much more important things in life than sex. While I don't necessarily oppose what they say, you are saying this on a forum dedicated to making men get good at meeting women, how do you not notice the disconnect here?

All this being said, I think men who join the pickup community are coddled by other men who find it way too easy to go off the beaten path.

Talk about how terrible women are with other men, bitch and moan about them, so that way you do not approach.

Talk about politics and how it is ruining men, so you do not have to approach.

Talk talk talk but never do.

I feel like most men end up finding a community to cope with in pickup than one to actually get the job done. The reason for this is because pickup is fucking hard. I do not care what the pros say, it is hard to walk up to women who do not know you and get them to give you the time of the day. Anyone saying it is easy is lying to you and likely a fraud.

Even despite the success I have had, I found it hard to do it consistently, especially as online dating became kind to me.

To want this, you really really have to want it despite what the outside world will say.

When they shame you for chasing women, you have to do it.

When they tell you to "grow up" and get married like normal people, you have to tell them to screw themselves.

When they throw shit test after shit test at you, you have to be that much more committed to game.

Overtime you will find plenty of "red pill" guys who will talk about the value of marriage and LTR life, they're inherently weak men on the inside who could not stay to a long term goal. You have to be the one to tell them all no and still go after that.

Even then, it is hard.

Women have options.

Hot women have a lot of options.

You start off at a disadvantage with cold approach.
 

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Hey @Tony D thanks for this post. I really needed to read this.

I'm one of those guys who hasn't been able to consistently approach due to AA.

When I look at my motivations for learning seduction, they're all intrinsic -I really want to have this skill handled- but I'm not taking the action required to make that happen.

Worse yet when I look at other areas of my life where I have high aspirations, I'm noticing the same trend. I'm not going 100% to bring my goals into reality due to fear. Fear of looking stupid, fear, fear of not being good enough, fear of whatever.

But man if I don't get a grip, I will die never getting the things I truly wanted in life.

I'm only 21 so I still have time. But I found GC when I was 16.
Five years and nothing to show for it.
If I don't start pushing I'll be in the same position at 26.

So yeah, I'm fucking pissed at myself. Deep down I want this. I want it bad. But I'm such a coward. I have to get over this fear. I have to beat this so I can finally go 100% in creating the life I want for myself. I can't die knowing that I was too weak to get over my fears and get what I want.

Sorry for ranting.
 

Tony D

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Hey @Tony D thanks for this post. I really needed to read this.

I'm one of those guys who hasn't been able to consistently approach due to AA.

When I look at my motivations for learning seduction, they're all intrinsic -I really want to have this skill handled- but I'm not taking the action required to make that happen.

Worse yet when I look at other areas of my life where I have high aspirations, I'm noticing the same trend. I'm not going 100% to bring my goals into reality due to fear. Fear of looking stupid, fear, fear of not being good enough, fear of whatever.

But man if I don't get a grip, I will die never getting the things I truly wanted in life.

I'm only 21 so I still have time. But I found GC when I was 16.
Five years and nothing to show for it.
If I don't start pushing I'll be in the same position at 26.

So yeah, I'm fucking pissed at myself. Deep down I want this. I want it bad. But I'm such a coward. I have to get over this fear. I have to beat this so I can finally go 100% in creating the life I want for myself. I can't die knowing that I was too weak to get over my fears and get what I want.

Sorry for ranting.
Hey @Tony D thanks for this post. I really needed to read this.

I'm one of those guys who hasn't been able to consistently approach due to AA.

When I look at my motivations for learning seduction, they're all intrinsic -I really want to have this skill handled- but I'm not taking the action required to make that happen.

Worse yet when I look at other areas of my life where I have high aspirations, I'm noticing the same trend. I'm not going 100% to bring my goals into reality due to fear. Fear of looking stupid, fear, fear of not being good enough, fear of whatever.

But man if I don't get a grip, I will die never getting the things I truly wanted in life.

I'm only 21 so I still have time. But I found GC when I was 16.
Five years and nothing to show for it.
If I don't start pushing I'll be in the same position at 26.

So yeah, I'm fucking pissed at myself. Deep down I want this. I want it bad. But I'm such a coward. I have to get over this fear. I have to beat this so I can finally go 100% in creating the life I want for myself. I can't die knowing that I was too weak to get over my fears and get what I want.

Sorry for ranting.

Well you know what you want. What are you doing to move forward and create this reality?
 

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Well you know what you want. What are you doing to move forward and create this reality?

By February 29, 2020 I'll have cold approached at least 40 women on my college campus.

I'm shooting for 15 a week or 3 a day on average.

I'll write down FR on each interaction and post them on here for feedback in a journal.
 

Tony D

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By February 29, 2020 I'll have cold approached at least 40 women on my college campus.

I'm shooting for 15 a week or 3 a day on average.

I'll write down FR on each interaction and post them on here for feedback in a journal.

That's how you'll create the skill for sure, if you stick to it. Just don't get in trouble with the campus. You might want to find alternate practice spots and mix it up.
 

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I was def one of the guys motivated by writing lay reports. I remember I wouldn't even care if the girl stopped sex halfway through I was like "well at least I get to post another one on GC boards tomorrow"

Though I think it can be multi factorial as well. I was also very motivated by the art of creating intensely beautiful moments of sharing sexual energy with a girl.

Going out my front door and not just experiencing for myself but giving a girl a special gift of a seduction out of a movie.

Many girls going through the boredom of life are very grateful for a fun well conducted seduction with a sexy guy.

Especially in day game you can make a more romantic experience many girls may very well never experience again their entire life.

Good post.
 

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That's how you'll create the skill for sure, if you stick to it. Just don't get in trouble with the campus. You might want to find alternate practice spots and mix it up.

Fortnuantly my school is pretty big so I should be okay but yeah I'll find another day game spot to balance things out.
 

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Fortnuantly my school is pretty large (50,000+ undergrads) but yeah I'll find another day game spot to balance things out.

college is mostly social game , everyone knows who the rich people are , who the good looking girls are , who is an athlete , who are the party people are ,etc

if you really want to have good results there , try to be one of the cool guys :)

as a side note , since college is super social if you are not careful you can easily get the label of the guy who approaches all women and then even if a girl would have been interested in you after you get this label for sure she will not Go out with you :)

same thing happens in business , if you get rejected by 2-3 investors , the rest will reject you directly , and if you manage to secure an investment from one of the big ones the rest will want to invest in you as well with almost no questions asked ;)
 
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I've always been extremely horny, hornier than anyone I know really, at least anyone who I've talked to regarding level of sexual desire and tastes.

It's a bit challenging to manage with getting things done but I think I've figured out a system of alternating between actively picking up and periods of celibacy to transmute energy.

After about 50-60 lays I was more desiring of hotter girls, but as much as I tried, I couldn't consistently get them. Later I figured out that my SMV was simply not high enough for 8s, or even to have much choice with 7s. This is in large part due to an awkward/stiff/stifled vibe issue, and although I tried everything from dumb shaking exercises to various drugs, nothing really fixed it. But anyway I realized also a problem was relying on types of game (direct day game, tinder, clubs) that essentially requires you to be equal or higher SMV than the girl.

I kinda gave up for a little while, and it put a dark cloud on me. But I've come to terms with the need to do something ambitious but still reasonable

So I plan to,
1) Partly move back to a quantity over quality strategy, and get my sexual needs met through a variety of women, e.g., having a mltr with a pretty face, one with a great ass, one with great legs, and otherwise all three average everything else. Strategically focusing heavily on developing my mid-game (arousal and emotional stimulation) to develop a high close %.
2) Supplement with indirect game, mostly from Gunwitch's systems, and generally also aim more for SDLs, to try to nail the occasional girl of higher SMV, with the full understanding that obviously she won't be around long.

I've thought long and hard about it and ultimately having 3 mltrs of my level while occasionally getting higher will be fairly sexually satisfying (while taking breaks of celibacy periodically to get more shit done). So in that sense I'm quite motivated again.
 

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I've always been extremely horny, hornier than anyone I know really, at least anyone who I've talked to regarding level of sexual desire and tastes.

It's a bit challenging to manage with getting things done but I think I've figured out a system of alternating between actively picking up and periods of celibacy to transmute energy.

After about 50-60 lays I was more desiring of hotter girls, but as much as I tried, I couldn't consistently get them. Later I figured out that my SMV was simply not high enough for 8s, or even to have much choice with 7s. This is in large part due to an awkward/stiff/stifled vibe issue, and although I tried everything from dumb shaking exercises to various drugs, nothing really fixed it. But anyway I realized also a problem was relying on types of game (direct day game, tinder, clubs) that essentially requires you to be equal or higher SMV than the girl.

I kinda gave up for a little while, and it put a dark cloud on me. But I've come to terms with the need to do something ambitious but still reasonable

So I plan to,
1) Partly move back to a quantity over quality strategy, and get my sexual needs met through a variety of women, e.g., having a mltr with a pretty face, one with a great ass, one with great legs, and otherwise all three average everything else. Strategically focusing heavily on developing my mid-game (arousal and emotional stimulation) to develop a high close %.
2) Supplement with indirect game, mostly from Gunwitch's systems, and generally also aim more for SDLs, to try to nail the occasional girl of higher SMV, with the full understanding that obviously she won't be around long.

I've thought long and hard about it and ultimately having 3 mltrs of my level while occasionally getting higher will be fairly sexually satisfying (while taking breaks of celibacy periodically to get more shit done). So in that sense I'm quite motivated again.

Sounds like a plan. Three MLTR's should cut it if you can handle that. Personally I find with all my interests having more than one girl right now takes too much of my free time. Unless that girl wants to watch me work on my laptop, go to the gym, and can travel on a whim.
 
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Thing is one girl at the level that I can get is not sexually satisfying. Hence the need for more. But I agree it's also it's time consuming. And so I plan to cut them off and do a few months of celibacy before going out and getting new ones again, and repeat.
 

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@Tony D :

Excellent post!

I've also noticed that most guys who fail also have the wrong expectations. They don't understand how subtle and how difficult developing good PU game is. They expect the experienced guys (who put in YEARS of hard work and developed good game) to provide all the answers, while they sit back and decide if the advice given is worth trying or not. If they don't like what they hear, they expect different better advice.

When good advice is provided, they are very quick to dismiss it with "nope doesn't work, already tried it" or " is that it? doesn't sound revolutionary, don't see how it could work" or getting into an online male ego pissing contest. I noticed this 20 years ago on mASF, but seems to happen more often now. Basically, they can't tell the difference between good advice and bad advice, have a huge confirmation bias (quick to dismiss good advice because it doesn't fit with their world view), combined with a very short attention span completely unable to take a deeper look into the why as you state.

Switching gears:

What was MY motivation? A bit of a long story behind it.....

It happened about 6 months after I got divorced 20 years. I remember it as clear as if it was yesterday. I was very insecure and unsure about picking up women after being in an exclusive LTR for 10 years. I wasn't that great to before the LTR either, I relied on good looks and status as a rock guitarist, no understanding of any real skill.

I had been going out to nightclubs for several months to meet women trying stuff out from Ross Jeffries, Mystery Method etc. None of it worked, I kept getting blown out, girls would use me to buy them drinks then I wouldn't see them again, I was way too "nice" so they took advantage me and I was becoming quite frustrated. I also didn't have anyone to go out with or learn from where I was living at the time.

So after about a 6 month dry spell, I'm out one night and worked up the courage to go talk to a girl at the bar. I feel like I'm doing pretty well until her friend comes up grabs me by the arm, physically pushes me away from the girl I was talking to and starts screaming at me to leave her friend alone. I was in a state of shock and told her it was ok just calm down. She physically pushes me again and continues screaming at me telling me to leave the nightclub (as if she owned it), I tell her to take it easy. She pushes me again, still screaming and I completely lose it....

I shout back at her "Hey! Take your fucking hands off me!"

She tries to push me again and I slap her hands away exactly as If she was a guy and got right in her face and shouted "You fucking touch me again and I will knock your ass out right here you fucking bitch!" and I meant it too, something in me just exploded. I was now expecting the bouncer / security guard to wrestle me down or throw me out of the club, but it never happened.

Right then and there I knew that I had passed a point of no return. I needed to get better with women before I end up in jail for killing one out of sheer frustration. :D

After that it became an obsession and I wanted to learn everything I could. If I pulled one for the night, then how could I pull 2 girls the next night? How can I pick up one and have her pick up another girl for the both of us? How can I pull a group of girls without saying a word or if we didn't speak the same language?

Every time I reached a new level I wanted to push it to the next. If I wasn't out doing pick up, I was constantly analyzing previous nights, what I did well, what I didn't do well, what would I do next time, how did I want the next interactions to go etc.

By the way, I never had anyone teach me anything, I went out developed it all by trial & error, reading posts from other guys, trying things out, making adjustments, deep analysis, sheer guts, blood, sweat and tears.

When girls who I got together with would want to spend time with me, I'd dump them because I wanted to go out and pick up new girls or test some new ideas to reach the next level. I thought about nothing but PU 24/7 for 5 straight years. That is what it took for me.
 

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@Razorjack your story is more or less similar to all the guys that have results :)

this seduction topic is more or less like the one with loosing weight , if you tell them that you need to eat less , exercise and healthy things and would take 1-2 years to get in shape everyone will be like , wtf you do not know what you are talking about . If you tell them that there is a magic pill or tea that they have to take once a day before going to sleep people will be like , yeah this guys is an expert , even though in 3 years from now they will be more or less in the same situation .
 

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I feel like most men end up finding a community to cope with in pickup than one to actually get the job done. The reason for this is because pickup is fucking hard. I do not care what the pros say, it is hard to walk up to women who do not know you and get them to give you the time of the day. Anyone saying it is easy is lying to you and likely a fraud.

There it is, says it all.

Just to add to this, cold approaching and getting her to give you the time of day is only the beginning:
  1. Cold approach
  2. Open with something that is interesting enough for her to engage and give you some of her time
  3. Figuring out what state she is in and moving her emotionally to a mental state so she is receptive to be gamed (for example, if she had a stressful day or her dog died or whatever, you need clear that shit from her head and get her to a mental state to be receptive)
  4. start running game while constantly calibrating and raising her buying temperature / she starts to feel what you want her to feel (interest, sexual, lust, intrigue, horny etc) without it shooting through the roof too early
  5. work through distractions, cockblocks, other guys etc
  6. get her to a state where she is ready to go home with you
  7. get the logistics worked out without her cooling down
  8. get her to your/her place and do the business
It becomes even more complicated when you start picking up more thane one girl at a time, because you can easily lose control if you don't train the girls (in a very short time) to keep each other in line, which is an entirely different skill than normal pick up game.

I think many guys get into pick up nowadays with same expectations as getting on a dating app and swiping left or right and it's done.
There are no one liners or magic tactics / techniques that will get you through all of the steps above. The only way is for the seducer / pick up artist to experience these for themselves and experiment to learn what works and what doesn't.

And we're talking years worth of dedication to get really good. However most guys don't know is that the reason why it takes so long isn't because the actual PU game is difficult. But rather the aspiring seducer / pick up artist getting out of his own head and unlearning years of bad habits, old mental programming / brainwashing and seeing past his own confirmation bias / illusions / delusions that takes so long to first understand and then finding a new world view to replace the old stuff with.

In essence, what we are talking about is the time it takes for a person to completely change themselves and their world view, and it doesn't happen by memorizing some pick up lines or canned routines.
 

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What motivates me? I enjoy sex and deep intimacy with attractive females. It is that primal desire that drove us all here.

The problem is that it turns out, the mating game is quite difficult for most men. This is why sites like this exist. Pick up requires years of study and persistent effort to actually get consistent results.

My goal is to maintain sexual relationships with 2-3 very attractive women at a time. Ideally women I am super excited about. Maybe eventually I will get into an LTR with a "special" girl, but my standards for such a relationship are at this point very high and I am looking for something very specific - at 32, this isn't a priority. Maybe in my later 30's or 40's it will be.

Since I truly re-entered the world of pickup almost 2 years ago, I am still far from the level I want to be, and I am certainly still learning and experimenting. My attitude is positive. In the process I have developed a thick skin, largely eliminated AA and destroyed any tendency I had for oneitis. This process of approaching and attempting to seduce women is FUN, and I think having fun and enjoying the process, and cultivating a pure abundance mentality, is crucial to any success.
 

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This may end up being the most powerful post on the site for quite some time. I notice it a lot in the pickup community with the rise in MGTOWs and people treating pickup forums as places to discuss politics than actual pickup. The most obvious ones that I know will never achieve greatness are the guys who try to target other posters for "putting pussy on the pedestal" and say vague things like "it's just pussy brah", the same ones saying how there is so much more important things in life than sex. While I don't necessarily oppose what they say, you are saying this on a forum dedicated to making men get good at meeting women, how do you not notice the disconnect here?

All this being said, I think men who join the pickup community are coddled by other men who find it way too easy to go off the beaten path.

Talk about how terrible women are with other men, bitch and moan about them, so that way you do not approach.

Talk about politics and how it is ruining men, so you do not have to approach.

Talk talk talk but never do.

I feel like most men end up finding a community to cope with in pickup than one to actually get the job done. The reason for this is because pickup is fucking hard. I do not care what the pros say, it is hard to walk up to women who do not know you and get them to give you the time of the day. Anyone saying it is easy is lying to you and likely a fraud.

Even despite the success I have had, I found it hard to do it consistently, especially as online dating became kind to me.

To want this, you really really have to want it despite what the outside world will say.

When they shame you for chasing women, you have to do it.

When they tell you to "grow up" and get married like normal people, you have to tell them to screw themselves.

When they throw shit test after shit test at you, you have to be that much more committed to game.

Overtime you will find plenty of "red pill" guys who will talk about the value of marriage and LTR life, they're inherently weak men on the inside who could not stay to a long term goal. You have to be the one to tell them all no and still go after that.

Even then, it is hard.

Women have options.

Hot women have a lot of options.

You start off at a disadvantage with cold approach.
Yo start disadvantaged as a guy period
 

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Thanks, Tony and others. We need the hard truths to be reminded to us!


My motivation when I started out must have been a combination of the following:
* awareness - I am really shit, there is no denying
* desperation - this really really really sucks
* ego - I'm better than what I am (yes, that's a contradiction :D )

So, I kept on looking until I stumbled here somehow. I got a huge motivation boost when I started reading Chase's articles. On the one hand, I love to learn about the workings of the world but on the other hand I have these barriers to protect my ego, beliefs etc. To be challenged in a respectful and no-nonsense way as the writers here do, well, how can you resist ? :) Felt like a kid watching porn secretly :D

The timing coincided with me getting a smartphone and Tinder. After a not so successful start, I finally started getting some results online and I was learning a lot, too. I made spreadsheet to keep count of everyone. Extending that spreadsheet become a bit of an obsession, similar to what Rob writes above.

I kept on using Tinder for waay too long. I was well-aware of the fact but it was hard to give up. I should have been using that time and energy on getting good and fearless in approaching. I just got back from a trip to Colombia and I was doing pretty well over there with day-time approaches. Now this Corona thing, I'm afraid I'll loose the momentum I gained.

- Nipernaadi
 

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I kind of thought back to this thread given my recent situation and realize how so much of what I have done does not line up in terms of game. Most of my lays come from online dating and have slowly become validation based than pleasure based. Back when I had the wild lay reports, I feel like the drive was there and in large part, it played a role in me hitting triple digits. Now, I feel like it is not there anymore and it has been an internal struggle for me to get it back.

Like why risk getting rejected in a harsh way at a nightclub when I can get a girl almost as good looking with ease from Bumble?

I look back and you are right, I did love writing the lay reports back in those days and it was truly a "game" to me which lowered my ego. I was there on the hunt to get pussy. Now as I have killed it on dating apps and found that strategy, it is as if it's a hunt not worth going on. I have it coming to me and so while my lay count goes up slowly, that instinct to act and that ambitious willpower is not there anymore. It was there back in my college days when I would go out to pull a hot girl I saw and approach her, now it's like a blue or an afterthought in my head.

Maybe it is because I think more in terms of effort and costs. I can sit at home on a dating app and get laid left to right eventually, maybe I approach girls at a nightclub, but what else is the point anymore? It's like ego, validation, and pride for me overcame that fear of rejection and that thrill I had.
 
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