This Lady Says "$400USD For A First Date In 2022 Is Good"

[dingdong]

@topcat You get the most pussy when you have more time to game (more volume), so i agree. I fucked 6 girls since start january and I only started working like 2 weeks ago. Took a long break where I was unemployed and figuring out my life. You will have alot of free time to do day game as an example. What i noticed is that daygame volume as early as 10 or 11 is quite good on weekdays actually. You'd think they would all be at work or in school, but some girls work late/night jobs or their studies give them flexibility.

I would say the downside of being unemployed and approaching is that you feel like a loser, whereas when you are actively working you feel like you have a purpose and you are more fulfilled. Which helps with your energy when approaching. However if you can crank alot of volume in doing daygame, you can get some real momentum going and really oil your machinery, but i find that it isn't sustainable over a long period (like approaching 10 girls a day for weeks).

A good balance is working maximum of 30 hours a week I would say.

 

[topcat]

I would say the downside of being unemployed and approaching is that you feel like a loser, whereas when you are actively working you feel like you have a purpose and you are more fulfilled.

It’s funny you say this, as i’m the complete opposite..

I feel better unemployed or at least when I’m making money unconventionally. Working a 9-5 desk job puts a dent in my game as i feel unfulfilled and like a worker drone/slave.

Am far more charismatic an energetic when i’m unchained..

Different strokes I guess.

 

[Troy]

I can see you're a positive person and you want to have a constructive debate. That's great. However I think that your need to have a logical, debate-proof answer for things makes it difficult for you to explore possibilities, and gets you across other people who speak in terms of stories rather than facts.

The reality of seduction is that it's all about a story. The story you tell about yourself, the story you tell about her, the story you tell (often implicitly) about you and her together. Telling a story about reality is the basis frame control. Frame control is not only the most important thing overall, but it's absolutely, unquestionably, the foundation of seduction for poor guys.

Often you will hear seducers (myself included) talking in extremes. Because that's how we lay down a frame so thick that women start questioning whether up is still up and down is still down. Especially when a woman is in a relationship with me, I say the most outrageous things about myself and my capabilities (calibrated with humor of course, but with seriousness underneath). And when she hears me say that, and she's getting railed hard all the time, she starts to wonder if it's true, and starts to depend on hearing those things from me because it has become her new reality, the reality that satisfies and validates her every day.

Maybe you don't like to hear that, because you have a very conscientious, logical personality. But sometimes it's necessary to accept the truth so that you can understand the world a bit better. For many guys this type of thing seems very improbable - how could the woman not see X and realize the 'truth', or why would she just accept something at face value and not get proof? Because women (and to a large extent men too) are emotionally driven, not logical. They don't want to know reality - reality is painful. They want to know what makes them satisfied.

Now I'm not saying that manipulating women with complete nonsense is a good thing. The best thing (and what I strive for) is to become everything that I say I am and will be. Otherwise you end up in a frame battle with your environment that is very difficult to win long term. I found out after my last two year relationship (with a girl who still texts me and wants me) that people I knew had been asking her "why are you with that guy? He's a nobody, he's almost 30 and broke. You can do better." Etc. She didn't leave, but we started fighting a lot, she tried to start withholding sex, and that was the end of it for me.

But the reality is that she still misses the dream, when we were lying there together the two of us against the world, getting her pussy wrecked while being told that everything was possible for us. It's sad in some ways that we didn't get to create some of those possibilities together, but it is what it is. Now she has to deal with guys who have money and status, but lack charisma, lack drive, lack libido, who are afraid to take control of her reality like I did, basically sheep who have gotten to the top of the herd, when she already was with a wolf. Too bad.

I say this because I think it's important for logical guys like yourself to understand that what women experience with the guys they like is not necessarily the same thing you see when you look at them. And when these guys try to explain things, don't just listen to their words and filter them for logical truth, but observe the way they bend and shape reality, for themselves and the women they are with, to get what they want. And maybe try it out for yourself in small ways to see how it works.

And again, you don't have to lie, but you do have to not be afraid to pressure her to buy into your reality based on a sort of faith, rather than logic and reason.

I got my Google Docs open where I save info like this for future learning experiences. At the moment, I dont understand everything you are saying fully, I will be processing this info. However I think you explained it well. What I gather is you share stories, rather than facts. And that stories and charisma is the bread and butter for seducers who are poor.

Because thats the simpliest form of value that a man can bring to the table when he has nothing else going on. Got it. I will come back to this over the next couple weeks and attempt to relate this to my interactions with women.

 

[POB]

So when they meet a man that is sexy but broke, and has a grand vision that he is working towards... They get wetter than the Niagara Falls

Because they are betting on his "potential" to become successful in the future.

 

[Lobo]

@Troy
I recommend you read vision's thread on frames.

Frame control opens up the possibilities to do things with women that many would consider outside the scope of their reality. I am broke, however, I never made being broke= no pussy a part of my reality(my frame).

For my purposes, that belief was irrelevant, I never thought about it. Instead, I was more focused on creating a reality between me and my girls that would allow me to transcend any of these frivolous limitations.

The fact of the matter is, your beliefs(internal frames) dictate how you define the world and your place in it, as well as what you allow yourself to do in it.

This also applies to women. So, while some girls out there might hold the belief(frame) that men should pay $400 dollars for a date, that is only their interpretation of what reality should be like. That doesn't mean it's the truth, and to be honest, what is true and what is not is irrelevant when you are dealing with beliefs as your frame(and by extension frame control) will dictate reality.

If a girl really believes this date nonsense, then that will only be relevant so long as she paints her reality with that frame in mind. It should then go without saying, but if you can overcome that frame with influence, then her silly rules matters no more. This is why frame control is the end all be all. With it, you can define the boundaries of your reality as well as your shared reality with a girl. Your sandbox, your rules.

 

[Rain]

From my personal experience I got laid and kept women in relationships longer with more ease when I was dirt broke.

Women will always say they want a High Value Guy but if you watch what they do in real life, you'll see almost the exact opposite.

For me, while I was broke, I was still handsome, fit, seductive and intelligent. And the women I dated would always give me money, buy me clothes, help me with job opportunities and try to get me to move in with them.

But when I started doing better financially, women started being more guarded and always questioned why I would even be interested in them.

Perhaps the two paragraphs above can be misinterpreted, eg miscommunication on accident. ie you said with more ease, but didn't clarify that you're doing better now overall *with* more money and status. You also said 'I was still handsome etc" but when got better status and finance, women were more guarded. Which means less ease, but it also could imply not doing so well with women in general. You didn't say that but it could be implied or misinterpreted. I know you've since clarified, just thats maybe why the miscommunication with @Troy .

No.. I said with ease

I have way more success now but I had to change a lot behaviors, and tone down parts of my personality to do so

Why are you so angry @Troy? This is just a discussion not a war. It ain't that serious

Definition from Google

"make (something unpleasant or intense) less serious or severe."

So in other words, when you were broke it was easier to get success with women. But as you said, now you have more money, it has become a bit harder. Whether that is a tiny bit harder. Or a lot harder. The point you are making is more money makes getting women more difficult.

There might have been a miscommunication. So what I think Tominho was possibly communicating:

He was having success with women when 'broke', that success came with ease when 'broke'.
When he had more money and more status, he had *more success overall*, but that success was harder to get to when he was broke, because he had to change stuff, eg he talked about having to change his level of empathy and social awareness, meaning 'less ease'/harder.
Is that what you meant, @TomInHo ?

 

[TomInHo]

He was having success with women when 'broke', that success came with ease when 'broke'.
When he had more money and more status, he had *more success overall*, but that success was harder to get to when he was broke, because he had to change stuff, eg he talked about having to change his level of empathy and social awareness, meaning 'less ease'/harder.
Is that what you meant, @TomInHo ?

Yup! That's right

When I was broke, I was more relatable without even trying. So the topics I talked about and my view points were in alignment with the girls more often. Hence making it easier to build comfort with them

But when I gained more success, I initially noticed a drop in relatability. Because my lifestyle and thought process had changed so much, it made it harder to relate with others. This did not only happen with women, because I also noticed this effect on my male relationships too

I couldn't understand what was going on at the time. How could my life be getting better, yet I'm feeling more alone

But then I made an effort to improve my social skills and found resources like this site and other books like 48 Laws of Power. Which opened my eyes into how I had changed and how my new image/persona was making people react differently to me

For example...

CONVERSATION STYLE
In the past, I had a more talkative style and did well with it, but now if I do that I tend to say things that rub people the wrong way by accident. Which is why I switched to talking less and focusing the conversation on the other person more

DATES
When I went on dates while broke, it was always super cheap stuff like coffee and walks in parks, but when I got more money, I had a period were I would take girls on lavish long expensive dates because it wasn't a big deal to me and seemed like more fun....

That is of course until I noticed girls starting to slow game me more when I acted like that. So I went back to super cheap dates because I got laid more with that setup.

LIVING SITUATION
Then my living situation also had an impact on my sex life. I lived with room-mates in the past and used to be able relate with girls about living with others. Then once my lifestyle improved, I moved to an upscale part of town and decked out my apartment into the ultimate bachelor pad (in my mind at least) I noticed a change

I would be on a date then bring a girl back to my place, and they would always react with shock. Asking me how much is rent? how long I lived here? Is the art expensive?

They would lose focus on our connection and would seem to fall in love with my place more than with me. Then when I would escalate they would try to slow game me so that I would respect them more and see them as girlfriend potential

For example, I had a recent lay tell me immediately after we had sex

"Do you have a girlfriend, and do you want one right now"...... never got that when I was broke.

LOVER VS PROVIDER FRAMES
As a result of these changes and many more, girls started to put me in the provider category when I gained more success. Because I Ironically displayed more lover qualities when I was broke with less effort

Now I have to consciously downplay my provider traits and make myself more relatable in conversation to get laid frequently. I never used to think about any of that stuff because in the past, being sexy was good enough. Now I have to be sexy and strategic

 

[POB]

@TomInHo you just transformed from potential to reality.
Means you went from possible prospect to grand prize.

All those things you said are in perfect alignment with what I experienced in my early 30s.

 

[MuST0BtA1NSkR1Lla]

A popular video is going around now on social media. I could not find the video on Youtube so I will link to a reaction video:

My personal opinion is this woman is bugging. I dont think no who follows GirlsChase is bugging that much to go drop $400 on a date. Pussy should remain free. Thats my belief. However there are always costs to dating. Some of them are "invisible" until we actually count it. Things like: entry fee to bars, nightclubs, parking, cheap food, condoms, e.t.c.

This lady she is BUGGING. Even in New York or Los Angeles where the cost of living is high, ain't no way a dude should be dropping $400 on a date. I dont care if he got Bill Gates or Jeff Bezos money.

Every guy will need to figure out for himself how many dates he wants to go on per week or month. Personally if I were to have a long term girlfriend, I would need at least $400 USD per month to go places with her (beach trips, hiking, restaurants). Im a simple guy so I ain't going to do no Boojie big spending on women.. Thats just me. This number is subjective.

Yeah some women do be all over the place.

I always mention this one as a wtf in dating, but I remember going for coffee in a hipster chic district with a very hot Russian chick and her wanting me to buy her a $4000.00 purse. I’m not super rich FYI. Hard nexted that one.

I think the person in this video is just old/ a boomer. With my parents as an example.

Me I got a tv box from China so I don’t have to pay for cable and got some hipster brand Internet that costs twenty a month.

Parents got subscriptions for Netflix, Amazon etc and paying for tv cable.

Me; Buy a bottle of cheap white wine and drink it from the bag if at a restaurant buy the cheap booze

Parents, Buy wine from the restaurant which is over priced and expensive

Me something breaks I can usually fix it myself

Parents pay big money

See where I’m going with this? I’m thinking it’s a generational thing that this is referencing.

 

[Rakehell]

It’s easy to say what you think you deserve. I think I deserve a million dollar mansion.

I feel as though the more money you have the more she’s gonna wanna angle for a relationship. After all a-lot of girls are taught earlier to “marry a man with a good job”.

I feel like a girl wouldn’t even ask someone expect this from someone she thought was attractive in the way that allows for quick sex. Even if he was loaded.

Butttt….If you aren’t attractive….and she isn’t at that stage in her life where she settles down with a wealthy guy (despite her being super dry for him). She’s gonna atleast try to frame the courtship in a way that gets her the benefits of being around a guy with money (if he allows it).

She can do this many ways and I think this is why guy’s who take the wrong approach feel as though girls hold alot of power. They can easily string along guy’s with sex and never actually give it to them, only giving it to them to reward good behavior. They can be hot and cold with the guy, she can make him feel like he’s close to sex, when the guy leaves she might love bomb him to reel him back in, there’s innumerable ways.

This is pretty extreme and harbors on gold digger behavior but i’m talking girls who claim money is an important factor.

It takes a certain type of man to fall for this behavior, usually the type of man who’d spend hella on a date as a machiavellian way to “impress” and not in a hedonistic way to enjoy himself.

 

[Chase]

@Troy,

As I like to say, if you have to say it, it isn't true.

If this woman is angrily proclaiming she expects $400 spent on her on dates, she most likely usually has $4 spent on her on dates.

Your life and time is limited, and before you know it it will be gone. Don't waste it hypnotized by the peanut gallery, listening to the idle chitchat and showoff-y boasts of nobodies dreaming about being somebodies.

Chase