Thread watched On the Ethics of Seduction: How Far Does Leadership Go? Part 3

[metalbird]

Okay, this one is very simple. It applies directly to two "Red Pill" principles. I'm not really a red pill guy myself, but I have seen these exact sentiments echoed here before.

1. Men (including you) want, and should go after, women with lower body counts
2. Men should go after as many women as possible, especially when starting out, in order to gain experience, have abundance mentality, and improve their overall options.

Surely you guys have seen both of these ideas touted before. Well, if a man is seeking to maximize his lay counts, how exactly can he fully subscribe to the idea that he is "leaving her better than he found her" when to accept #1, you must fundamentally accept that by sleeping with a woman, you are diminishing her value to some degree?

NOTE: I don't agree with either of these points. I'm not a red piller, I don't think that sleeping with a woman damages her, but by the same token, I can't subscribe to the idea that women are better off with lower body counts. That's important for considering other ethical questions...

 

[ulrich]

Women lower their SMV with higher lay counts because the typical male doesn’t offer emotional or personal growth.
If you are a typical non particularly special male, perhaps it would be a good idea to limit yourself from fucking women up to certain point.

If you have reasons to believe you are better than the average and that you can actually improve the life of a woman you lay with, then you are morally obliged to do so.

Also, women emotional development usually follows the same path which is somewhat a curve:
A) 0-2 lays - Naïve and cheerful
B) 2-8 lays - Skeptical
C) 8-20 lays - Bitter and resentful
D) 20+ lays - Mature and happy

*Disclaimer: Numbers pulled from my ass

Who am I to negate a woman the chance to face life and gain emotional maturity?

Red pillers prefer low count girls because they are more malleable, have lower probability of cheating and are less secure of themselves.

That is out of the red pillers convenience, not out of love for women.

 

[Skills]

Are you going to cont. Spamming the forum with your half autism half troll job none sense...kind of boring! Yawn...

 

[metalbird]

Are you going to cont. Spamming the forum with your half autism half troll job none sense...kind of boring! Yawn...

I'm sorry you see it that way. To me, these are meaningful questions that actively impact my interactions with women. But of course, as you are a senior member here, I will drop the subject.

 

[POB]

Best advice you going to get:
Forget for one second the red pill shenanigans, go out and start to talk to beautiful women.
Fuck a couple of them really good, give them your sexy caveman's best version.
Come back after you busted your nut all over them, and re-read your posts
Probably gonna be eye-opening.

 

[Chase]

It's hilarious how many red pill guys talk about the importance of young, low count women, then wife up e-thot single mothers in their 30s.

You might want to read my article on girl game. It'll change your perspective:

Don't Get Strung Along! What Good "Girl Game" Looks Like

Many girls are great at hooking guys in with ‘girl game’. If it always feels like you’re ‘almost there’ with her, but you NEVER get there… that’s girl game. Some girls have really good game. They’re able to keep guys hooked, with those guys orbiting around them, providing tons of value to their...

www.girlschase.com

Especially the section on "Girl Game Grand Masters."

Most of these guys saying this stuff seem to just be low awareness dudes who live in their heads a lot. Ask them how to find consistent streams of low count girls and you will get something that sounds like it was spit out by ChatGPT.

Very few seducers specialize in shagging lots of low count girls. I've known a few... but even they have a bunch of moderate to higher count girls mixed in.

Anyway, this whole thing from you sounds like you want a MySQL formula:

"WHERE men value low count woman, THEREFORE woman lay count = lower is better, AND men seek women WHERE quantity higher = better, THEN man seeking higher quantity women = women lay count higher = man seeking quantity lays LEADS TO woman devaluation"

Here's how to understand red pill:

• Feminists/FDS: "Confident, successful, attractive, Chad-like men are unattractive oppressors no woman should ever date!" Reality: these are women's FAVORITE kinds of men, and they chomp at the bit to sleep with, date, and marry them, even while they complain about them online.
  
  
• Manosphere/red pill: "Sexy, lusty, high count women are unmotherly sluts no man should ever wed!" Reality: these are men's FAVORITE kinds of women, and they chomp at the bit to sleep with, date, and marry them, even while they complain about them online.

Why do you think these feminists/red pill writers have to write screed after screed telling women/men to STAY AWAY from these people they say they should not want... unfeeling Chads and super slutty Vixens... then keep getting pissed at themselves for falling yet again for the wiles of such a sexy partner, all while lecturing others to "Don't be like me!"?

I say that as a guy who personally prefers low-ish count women (too low and they're too naïve / too much of a 'project' for busy, inattentive me -- either that or they are low count for a reason... e.g., low ambition/sex drive, and I am going to be annoyed all the time with them and incompatible personality-wise)... I have seen guy after guy after guy declaring how it is SO IMPORTANT FOR men to find low count women, then the guy saying it goes and falls in love with some stripper or ex-prostitute or something else, talking about how "she's grown." I'm like, fucking come on, man... it's ridiculous.

It's like those guys who act like hardcore family values guys on TV, then you find out they're taking drugs and going to gay gangbangs behind their wives' and kids' backs.

You won't see me lecturing guys to date low count girls because I know there's no point. Guys are going to date whoever they're going to date. The guys marrying virgins are not frustrated guys reading red pill sites. They are young guys marrying their high school girlfriends in a Christian wedding their sophomore year of college. The frustrated red pill readers end up marrying frustrated female dating strategy readers (then everybody is... happy? I don't know. I guess?). Like attracts like.

More required reading for you to help you deprogram:

Do Bad Evil Seducer Men Corrupt Innocent Women?

Was your pure princess corrupted by a dirty playboy? Does it really even work that way? We explore whether women are innocent doves, ruined by filthy, devilish men. I've been meaning to write this article for a bit, and we just got another one of these comments. The comment was on my article...

www.girlschase.com

Is Seduction Wrong?

Just received a comment from an anonymous poster in response to a recent blog entry entitled "Baiting vs. Trading Information." I'll repost his/her comment in its entirety here: "Women will be interested in you when you stop treating them as though they are subhuman, or aliens you must develop...

www.girlschase.com

Chase

 

[POB]

@Chase

It's the same red-pill's mindset about women past a certain age, or career-driven women.
"women over 28 are not worth it because they are past their prime"
"career driven women are not worth it because they won't make good housewives or moms"

Then they find a 42 year-old hot as fuck bombshell, who is super independent and set in her ways, and fall hard for them.

My advice has always been the same: just go with your fucking cock.
As long as your cock does not take over, and puts you in deep trouble, for fucks sake, please have sex with all of them.
In the end, 80% of this red-pill's strict bullshit doesn't matter, because relationships are fluid things.