Tips on Voice Training

[Mystique]

Hey guys. I have an issue I've been trying to deal with on my own for a while now, to no avail. So I thought it wise to ask my fellow seduction students.
When I speak, I sometimes get complaints from people that they can't hear what I'm saying. I have to deliberately speak very loud each time I know I need to communicate. But sometimes I forget and my voice, at worst comes out like a murmur, at best people think I'm saying something else. I have to repeat myself. Unlike other people, speaking clearly feels forced to me. I know there are certain exercises to carry out to correct my speech, that's why I'm typing this. Any ideas would be much appreciated.

 

[Inbocca]

There was that "ding ding king kong bing bong" exercise, but IIRC you already saw that thread. One thing I've noticed about my own voice is that it's already pretty low after conscious effort, but still quiet. Sounds like you're in the same boat. What I'm doing now is deliberately speaking louder when I talk, almost to the point of yelling. Quiet enough to where people don't ask me to quiet down, but loud enough to know I'm being heard. It's like all the other fundamentals - conscious effort until it's subconscious. If you're worried about being too loud, at least then you'd have a different, less seduction-affecting problem.

Cheers.

 

[Mystique]

There was that "ding ding king kong
bing bong" exercise, but IIRC you
already saw that thread.

Nope, I haven't seen it. What's it about? Could you share the thread.

What I'm doing now is deliberately
speaking louder when I talk, almost
to the point of yelling. Quiet enough
to where people don't ask me to
quiet down, but loud enough to know
I'm being heard. It's like all the other
fundamentals - conscious effort until
it's subconscious. If you're worried
about being too loud, at least then
you'd have a different, less
seduction-affecting problem.

Yea, that makes sense - talking louder. But the thing is there's supposed to be a way you position your tongue and how you let out your words that will make your speech very clear. Chase wrote something in his book How To Make Girls Chase but I didn't quite grasp the concept. Also, some people do not talk very loud, but their words are very clear. I'll do some research on it and post what I find.

 

[Inbocca]

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Someone posted a video with a description of the exercise, it has helped me in tandem with the conscious effort.

But the thing is there's supposed to be a way you position your tongue and how you let out your words that will make your speech very clear. Chase wrote something in his book How To Make Girls Chase but I didn't quite grasp the concept. Also, some people do not talk very loud, but their words are very clear. I'll do some research on it and post what I find.

I'll have to re-read it, must have missed that part. I remember him mentioning the hyoid bone. I've tried toying around with pausing a few seconds when people ask me to repeat myself, it turns out most of the time they genuinely don't hear me. Definitely let us know what you find, anything that helps with clarity or volume would help.

 

[Mystique]

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=14689
Someone posted a video with a
description of the exercise, it has
helped me in tandem with the
conscious effort.

Now I remember

I'll have to re-read it, must have
missed that part.

You should. Maybe you'd understand it better than I do.

Definitely let us know what you
find, anything that helps with clarity
or volume would help.

Alright

 

[RJONES2016]

Hi,

Saw this post and felt my response would be valued.

Many websites or videos on youtube etc that talk about adding resonance, sounding deep or sounding loud are essentially done by people that don't know what they are talking about.

The main component to having a sexy voice, or sounding more 'manly' comes down to your breathing ultimately. I don't mean simply breathing into your chest, we're talking about getting your breathe 'down' to your belly and groin. Which is were you start to feel the vibrations and resonance in how you talk.

Often, the main problems are tight face muscles, tight or unused diaphramatic muscles, not opening your mouth wide enough, or not having your tongue in the right place.
Having a great voice is incredibly powerful, in many arenas in life, and the best way to train it is by practise and repitition.

Sources I'd recommend to get a better understanding and get your voice off the hook would be to get a decent book on voice training - I'd recommend 'The right to speak' by Patsy Rodenburg, really helpful sitiations in this, and will give you a full understanding on getting the most out of your voice.

Secondly, or firstly, since you'll notice the differences in this quicker that reading.
Look into drama classes, or acting classes, many of them have a whole hour or so on just warming up and making the best of your voice, by humming, making buzzing noises etc.

Video wise, I strongly recommend

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tc-_hoG4nec

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rBoOyCLlCcU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_MvlGKwLh0

Try these out when you get a chance, and if you can on a daily basis, and within 30days you'll notice the difference.


Hope this helps.

 

[Smurf]

For me it depends on the situation.

Ever notice when you're with friends you have no problem being heard? Part of it is possibly a frame issue. When I'm with friends, no one usually has to ask me to repeat myself, because I'm comfortable. It's a lot different for me in certain situations.

For example, I struggle with 1 on 1's with certain people because of beliefs I have about the dynamic between us (I might think I feel "lower" than them and in essence less free to speak as I want). Another is clubs but that's a different animal.

There is a really good site I've recommended before for sexy voices that's a good place to start - I'll hop on my computer and find it since I'm sick today anyway.

Two things help me specifically with volume: using people as momentum and knowing people want to hear me.

I use momentum by going to a restaurant/fast food place or whatever I do in the day, and adjusting my voice when I talk to them. This lets me know if I'm too quiet or to loud - of course being too loud is rarely a problem. I do this to find my sweet spot in my voice.

Knowing people want to hear me is more of a mindset things that's kinda weird. It's more of a positive thought that's "yes, people want to hear me and I will be heard". I know sometimes I don't talk from that frame and people will ask me to repeat myself.

As for clubs and loud venues, I throw everything out the window and reframe it as: be the loudest thing speaking. I toss pitch, resonance, all that stuff out and try and cut through the environment as much as possible instead of focusing on sounding cool. For me, people just can't hear me if I talk normally. I can always switch it up if I move them to a quieter part of the spot.

Kinda jumbled but that's what helps me. I'll try and find that site if I can.

Jake.

 

[Smurf]

http://www.seductionscience.com/2011/12-great-voice-exercises-for-developing-a-sexy-seductive-voice/ has helped me quite a bit.

 

[Inbocca]

Two things help me specifically with volume: using people as momentum and knowing people want to hear me.

I use momentum by going to a restaurant/fast food place or whatever I do in the day, and adjusting my voice when I talk to them. This lets me know if I'm too quiet or to loud - of course being too loud is rarely a problem. I do this to find my sweet spot in my voice.

Knowing people want to hear me is more of a mindset things that's kinda weird. It's more of a positive thought that's "yes, people want to hear me and I will be heard". I know sometimes I don't talk from that frame and people will ask me to repeat myself.

Solid advice, man. I really like this part. The idea of gauging your volume before hitting the field is a good idea once you've established where you want your volume to be.

Expanding on the second part: I find it easier to get into that frame when I watch what I say, speaking deliberately (planning out every word and idea) and saying only what needs to be said. When I ramble or just talk for the sake of talking, the confidence goes down and people stop listening - which is sometimes the reason they ask you to repeat yourself.