Tom Torero Street Hustle

[Warped Mindless]

my advice:

take all advice given from any daygame guy from London and throw it in the trash.

Seriously.

If you want a simple daygame method start with Gunwitch SMMA stuff. That’s a good starting point

 

[Teevster]

Interestingly, I met my first real girlfriend on the buss.

People actually do not know this about "nightgame" Teevster.

Edit: I met Tom. He was a great guy. I attented his seminar, and it was actually decent - the whole "assumption" thing I use, I got from him. Using assumptions to build rapport. Still to this day, it is one of my most go-to tech. Do I like his overall approach? not really. Did I field test his stuff? Most of it yeah. Did I find something I liked and that has helped me? Yes.

And this is all that matters.

-Teevster

 

[Kingkong]

my advice:

take all advice given from any daygame guy from London and throw it in the trash.

Seriously.

If you want a simple daygame method start with Gunwitch SMMA stuff. That’s a good starting point

Awesome: where can I find his material?

 

[Kingkong]

Interestingly, I met my first real girlfriend on the buss.

People actually do not know this about "nightgame" Teevster.

Edit: I met Tom. He was a great guy. I attented his seminar, and it was actually decent - the whole "assumption" thing I use, I got from him. Using assumptions to build rapport. Still to this day, it is one of my most go-to tech. Do I like his overall approach? not really. Did I field test his stuff? Most of it yeah. Did I find something I liked and that has helped me? Yes.

And this is all that matters.

-Teevster

What are some of the things you liked about London Day Game Model?

 

[Teevster]

What are some of the things you liked about London Day Game Model?

Nothing.

I never connected with the LSS (London Seuction Society) - which was the name of the London community which is the school that created the London Daygame Model.

This does not mean I do not like some of the people there on a personal level, or that they do not have interesting analysis or even material.

-Teevster

 

[Kingkong]

Nothing.

I never connected with the LSS (London Seuction Society) - which was the name of the London community which is the school that created the London Daygame Model.

This does not mean I do not like some of the people there on a personal level, or that they do not have interesting analysis or even material.

-Teevster

What exactly do you find ineffective about it? Was it the structure, the vibe, or the results?
Also, do you follow any type of structure now when you run game, or is it more freeform? Curious what you use as your primary approach these days.

 

[Teevster]

What exactly do you find ineffective about it? Was it the structure, the vibe, or the results?
Also, do you follow any type of structure now when you run game, or is it more freeform? Curious what you use as your primary approach these days.

I generally do not like direct game. I have already discussed why I am not fan of such approach.

-Teevster

 

[Kingkong]

I generally do not like direct game. I have already discussed why I am not fan of such approach.

I’m from the hood we’ve always gone direct. That’s just how we move. Not sure where this indirect game came from, but I’m open to learning.

You got any infields or recordings of you running your style? Would be dope to see how you approach it.

 

[Teevster]

I’m from the hood we’ve always gone direct. That’s just how we move. Not sure where this indirect game came from, but I’m open to learning.

Yes, people from the hood tend to be more ballsy. I used to hang in a venue with lots of hood guys. There is a lot of bad and good. The girls are indeed into strong badboyish guys who command respect, and know what they want. The "strong man" frame. Yet I realized that indirect game works even better on them - think of that badass rapper who has girls around him, but slightly ignores them.

You can be straightforward without revealing all your cards. Direct here does not mean "being truthful" and "shameless" but simply not simp basically - if that make sense.

You got any infields or recordings of you running your style? Would be dope to see how you approach it.

I used to have recordings, but that was in 2010 or so lol.

But yeah I am against in field vids - there is something artificial about it - like if you plan to record an interaction from A to Z on cam, the vibe vill be off - especially in nightgame.

It is also a lot of work, work I am not willing to put into it - like what do I get from it?

-Teevster

 

[Kingkong]

Yes, people from the hood tend to be more ballsy. I used to hang in a venue with lots of hood guys. There is a lot of bad and good. The girls are indeed into strong badboyish guys who command respect, and know what they want. The "strong man" frame. Yet I realized that indirect game works even better on them - think of that badass rapper who has girls around him, but slightly ignores them.

You can be straightforward without revealing all your cards. Direct here does not mean "being truthful" and "shameless" but simply not simp basically - if that make sense.

I’m all about direct + challenge because it sets the strongest frame from the jump. When you’re upfront and clear, you show you know what you want and aren’t afraid to take it. That confidence alone pulls women in.

Indirect can feel like you’re hiding your intentions or beating around the bush. It slows the game down and sometimes comes off as weak or fake, especially if you drag it out too long. You risk losing momentum or confusing the girl about where you stand.

For me, time is valuable I want to cut through the noise and get real connection quickly. Direct + challenge makes you stand out because most guys don’t have the guts to be that clear and still keep the vibe playful and high-value.
Plus, being direct and challenging shows you’re not needy you make it obvious you’re a prize she has to earn, not just some guy fishing for attention. That energy is hard to beat.

 

[Skills]

I’m from the hood we’ve always gone direct. That’s just how we move. Not sure where this indirect game came from, but I’m open to learning.

You got any infields or recordings of you running your style? Would be dope to see how you approach it.

For day game direct is ok, actually preferable, the thing you don't want to do is blow me in blow me out style of direct, and for your demo is fine....

Basically here is the structure,

- try not to go from the back, mainly from the front and if from the back make sure you pass her and talk a bit from the side you being a tiny ahead of her, some guys "london model" get in front and stop her (work for some dudes never worked for me )

- say hi, or was sup (if hood urban), or hey, or hi you doing just to get the attention and buy time with reaction

- can i meet you real quick

- since we don't know each other we don't have any friends in common i had to take the initiative come talk to you and introduce my self i am king kong (you have the same forum name as my dick nickname, what a coincidence)

- i are you on your way to buy groceries to make dinner for your bf? are you waiting (if on bus stop) for your boyfriend... Anything situational to know if she has a boyfriend... or straight up "you got a boyfriend"? or "are your single"

- if she says no.... you are in... now you will bs about high value activity you are doing or about to do.... or you banter and tell her that you are about to get coffee or ___ to come join you..

- ^ if not get her digits, and (if your social media high value social media)... done...

Night game direct meh inside the club........ Day game is ok to go direct, you just don't want blow me in blow me out half attempts....

situational openers (atomic bomb) and preferable....

 

[Kingkong]

I used to have recordings, but that was in 2010 or so lol.

But yeah I am against in field vids - there is something artificial about it - like if you plan to record an interaction from A to Z on cam, the vibe vill be off - especially in nightgame.

It is also a lot of work, work I am not willing to put into it - like what do I get from it?

I get that infield vids can feel artificial, but it’s all mindset. If you stay locked in and treat the camera like background noise, the vibe stays real.
It’s not the camera that kills the energy it’s how you handle it.

 

[Teevster]

I get that infield vids can feel artificial, but it’s all mindset. If you stay locked in and treat the camera like background noise, the vibe stays real.
It’s not the camera that kills the energy it’s how you handle it.

But why should I go through the hassle. What does it bring me? That's the main question.

-Teevster

 

[Kingkong]

For day game direct is ok, actually preferable, the thing you don't want to do is blow me in blow me out style of direct, and for your demo is fine....

Basically here is the structure,

- try not to go from the back, mainly from the front and if from the back make sure you pass her and talk a bit from the side you being a tiny ahead of her, some guys "london model" get in front and stop her (work for some dudes never worked for me )

- say hi, or was sup (if hood urban), or hey, or hi you doing just to get the attention and buy time with reaction

- can i meet you real quick

- since we don't know each other we don't have any friends in common i had to take the initiative come talk to you and introduce my self i am king kong (you have the same forum name as my dick nickname, what a coincidence)

- i are you on your way to buy groceries to make dinner for your bf? are you waiting (if on bus stop) for your boyfriend... Anything situational to know if she has a boyfriend... or straight up "you got a boyfriend"? or "are your single"

- if she says no.... you are in... now you will bs about high value activity you are doing or about to do.... or you banter and tell her that you are about to get coffee or ___ to come join you..

- ^ if not get her digits, and (if your social media high value social media)... done...

Night game direct meh inside the club........ Day game is ok to go direct, you just don't want blow me in blow me out half attempts....

situational openers (atomic bomb) and preferable....

I don’t get what the difference between what you wrote and London Daygame model? Sounds like the same shit to me. And no sir there’s only one King Kong and I already claimed it but nice try. appreciate your insights.

 

[Teevster]

I’m all about direct + challenge because it sets the strongest frame from the jump. When you’re upfront and clear, you show you know what you want and aren’t afraid to take it. That confidence alone pulls women in.

Yeah that's good old school direct. Not my style, but it is very viable, especially in daygame. What I tend to dislike this new "neo-direct" game where guys just run up to girls to tell them how much they like them, and just follow-up with rapport based question. A lot of the london styled daygame has aspect of this, which I dislike.

When you’re upfront and clear, you show you know what you want and aren’t afraid to take it. That confidence alone pulls women in.

It is ok as long as it is balanced with challenges. Showing interest is not a display of confidence necessarily.

Indirect can feel like you’re hiding your intentions or beating around the bush. It slows the game down and sometimes comes off as weak or fake, especially if you drag it out too long. You risk losing momentum or confusing the girl about where you stand.

No, indirect is defined by showing interest as a response to her showing interest (which you of course have elicited). That's what indirect means. Direct means showing interest before she gets to show interest of lack thereof.

Indirect game is generally more time-efficient than direct game, that is well-known. Dragging things out too long is called overgaming and is a sign of lack of calibration.

For me, time is valuable I want to cut through the noise and get real connection quickly.

Go indirect then. Avoid the unecessary tests, resistance, flakes, etc.

Direct + challenge makes you stand out because most guys don’t have the guts to be that clear and still keep the vibe playful and high-value.

Most guys tend to be direct, which does not really make you stand out.

But direct done properly + challenging can work wonders. Not my thing though.

Plus, being direct and challenging shows you’re not needy you make it obvious you’re a prize she has to earn, not just some guy fishing for attention. That energy is hard to beat.

It is the "challenge" part that accomplishes this. Reference to Swinggcats RWS.

-Teevster

 

[Kingkong]

But why should I go through the hassle. What does it bring me? That's the main question.

-Teevster

Haha, yeah, I know some guys need to see it to believe it reading can only do so much!
I’m about to drop some raw infield soon myself, so get ready for some real, no-BS action. Hopefully, it helps some dudes stop guessing and start winning.

 

[Teevster]

Haha, yeah, I know some guys need to see it to believe it reading can only do so much!
I’m about to drop some raw infield soon myself, so get ready for some real, no-BS action. Hopefully, it helps some dudes stop guessing and start winning.

Cool, make sure you share them here. On my end, I am a semi-retired pua who only goes out to enjoy life at this point. I joined my first seduction forum in September 2007. Not as excited as many others are.

I guess thats understandable.

-Teevster

 

[Kingkong]

No, indirect is defined by showing interest as a response to her showing interest (which you of course have elicited). That's what indirect means. Direct means showing interest before she gets to show interest of lack thereof.

Indirect game is generally more time-efficient than direct game, that is well-known. Dragging things out too long is called overgaming and is a sign of lack of calibration.

You’re spot on with the distinction indirect as a response to her interest, direct as leading with intent. That’s a key part of calibration.

I agree that overgaming kills momentum, and knowing when to shift gears is where the real skill lies.

For me, it’s about feeling the vibe and adjusting in real time sometimes direct with strong intent, other times pulling back and letting her show more.

Labels don’t matter as much as timing and connection. Appreciate the clarity.

 

[Skills]

I don’t get what the difference between what you wrote and London Daygame model? Sounds like the same shit to me. And no sir there’s only one King Kong and I already claimed it but nice try. appreciate your insights.

I don't do london model (i barely remember what it is other than the get in front and stop)before you were born, my dick name was kingkong brother.... so i claimed it first...

infield i like Gerald Hudson, he does a lot of day game (hood) (he is not community) he just have fun picking up... Some guys here posted recently a dude in insta called kin...

 

[Kingkong]

I don't do london model (i barely remember what it is other than the get in front and stop)before you were born, my dick name was kingkong brother.... so i claimed it first...

infield i like Gerald Hudson, he does a lot of day game (hood) (he is not community) he just have fun picking up... Some guys here posted recently a dude in insta called kin...

Claiming it first means nothing if you ain’t holding the crown now.

Gerald’s out there playing for fun, I’m here owning the results. Hood vibes don’t replace real skill and presence.

As for ‘Kin’ and the rest, let them chase clout I’m too busy being the king in the moment.