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ChrisXKiss

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My dating app success is not big in general, so when this obviously attractive 25 year old Colombian girl with beach photos, a paid profile, and being 100km away matched with me, I was honestly not expecting much...

Texting on the app

My first message was telling her that I love her playfully sensual energy, then she asked me if I speak spanish. I don't but I used some basic spanish and google translate to ask her where she is. She told me she is for vacation in this other city more than 1 hour train ride from mine, and I told her where I am and asked when she is coming here.

She said next week, and she asked if I am an actor ( I have a picture of me on stage and do it as an amateur ). I told her I am an actor too, and told her next week I am free to meet Monday or Thursday. She very excitedly said yes Monday works, and then said: but for sex, no.

I told her I don't plan when I have sex, and we only do it when we feel it. She said that's good, I asked her when on Monday she can be here, she said 12pm, so we agreed and I told her to come to a specific train station, that is close to my place.

All this conversation happened on Friday and I wasn't even thinking much of it, because I wasn't feeling there is a big probability that this girl that doesn't even speak a language we can communicate in will come in the middle of the day riding the train for over an hour and be ready to have sex. But I was still thinking well whatever let's see how it goes.

Meeting and connecting

Today I woke up at 10 am, sent her a text for where exactly to meet me, she said she got a bit busy and she will be able to come around 1pm and asked to exchange numbers. We went on whatsapp and at some point she texted me exactly her train connection and where she was, so I thought ok at least it is happening, let's see.

I tidied up the house a bit and prepared myself. I went and met her at the train station, texting her to come down from the platform to find me. She did and felt very excited when we met. Quite cute up close too, pretty short skirt, I just wasn't sure if she was some kind of extra flirty latina type that likes being physical but is very difficult to bed.

We went together to a nearby open bar I take all girls lately, it had just opened for the afternoon, we took a coffee and a tea and took a seat at a couch. She got seated right away with her legs up the couch turned so she could face me, and I was feeling it was on. She was quite receptive to my touch too.

In the beginning our discussions were extra basic about how Colombians are crazy about coffee and dancing, I told her I dance too and we will try later, and we were using whatever combination of spanish and english we could muster. At some point I took the phone out and started writing something to translate it, and she helped me even more by bringing out a voice translator in her phone.

From that point on, we were basically discussing by saying something to the phone in our language, me in english, her in spanish, and then having the other person listen to the translated version and answer back.

We started talking about dancing, she mentioned how for Colombians it is mostly about the emotion and the connection, I had her explain and told her how I love that over the technique, and it is important to feel the person you are with and have chemistry.

Then she mentioned how Colombians are way more open in general than the people around here and they will talk to you and connect with a smile, and the girls are way more feminine. I mentioned how I love what she expresses and I enjoy natural feminine energy, and we got into a talk about how men either get scared to express their sexual interest or they only care about sex and nothing else.

I asked her how she got in that app, because it is a pretty sexually oriented app, she said she was with her young sister and got in and that she enjoys connecting with people, but doesn't want just sex right away, that's why she gave me that text in the beginning. I explained how it is important to meet the person, feel the energy and that for me I don't care just about having sex but i want it to be an experience where we are letting go and enjoying the moment, because we both truly feel that is what we want.

All these discussions by the way may have happened in some sort of different order, and how exactly we went from one topic to another is a bit blurry to me, but let's say that I was gradually trying to go into more sexual topics and having her feel that I love sex and I feel it's important to feel connected first and that you can trust the person to let go, while she was generally agreeing and giving me signals to move forward.

I was also touching her from time to time, even a bit more sensually by caressing her fingers for a bit, and I could feel there is a vibe for sure, so I was thinking whether it makes more sense to take her to another place first to go for a kiss, or straight to my place.

Pull and escalation

Gladly she helped me with that. At some point two other people came to sit close to us, and she started being shy about translating all this sex talk out loud. We exchanged two-three more translations by writing them down, which obviously took more time and had a lot of silence in between, and at some point she wrote me how unlucky we are that these people came to sit next to us and we cannot talk freely. So I thought, ok here is the cue, and I responded yes, I see we are done with the drinks, let's go somewhere more comfortable, my place is nearby and I have some sweets from my home country. She agreed very easily and we started walking.

Back in my place we naturally went in while keeping talking via voice translations again. I had her take her shoes off, brought her some water and the sweets as we sat on my couch. We ate the sweets and she went into some talk about how much she likes them and what they remind her of, so I wrote in the translator: too much talking about food, showed it to her and then pulled her in for a kiss.

She didn't resist at all, and damn she was soft and passionate. Now from the time we had started going home, I had started feeling fairly nervous too. I wasn't expecting it to happen, but I think it was this thought of ok it is happening after a while, I've got to make it and sleep with this one. And it didn't help, because as she started riding me on the couch with all our clothes on, I ejaculated in my pants.

The good thing I guess is that it has happened a few times before, so at this point I am very used to just telling them to give me a minute, going to the bathroom, cleaning myself up a bit, and coming back to continue. In a weird way I feel it creates a push pull dynamic that is not intended, but is welcome.

As I was going to the bathroom, she said something like no sex, I didn't respond really since we couldn't communicate much anyway. I came back started kissing and escalating again, she was feeling it, but she was very strict about not taking her top off and revealing her boobs. For a second I thought, damn if she is so intense about me not seeing her boobs what is the probability of even moving forward, but then I started going around it.

I decided that hell, her skirt is so short, I am literally grabing her ass when she is on top of me and I can easily feel her panties and pussy, so I started rubbing it over them. And she was getting quite excited. I stood up and held her tight, with some more making out, spanking and panties rubbing, and then I pulled her to the bed exactly next to us. Everything is in the same room, my place is small.

She was still saying something about no sex, but I just decided to focus on her pussy. I pulled up her skirt and was rubbing and licking above her panties, until she got more excited and I decided to simply push everything to the side and attack the pussy directly.

Some licking of the clitoris and fingering and she was getting super horny, so I simply took my cock out and heard the blessed words: solo con condom, si? Si. I brought the first condom, somehow I got it stuck on my penis midway, took it out, brought another, had her stroke me and got in.

Sex and afterwards

The rest was quite some time of having sex in different positions and in different speeds, with a lot of spanish words coming out of her mouth excitedly. At least the previous orgasm made me last really long, I eventually came only because I thought it would be nice to finish while inside her. Not exactly sure if and how she came, there was a point that she told me she wanted to finish and told me to go hard for it. I told her to say please, and then started giving it hard to her while she kept saying please. Then at some point she stopped me because I guess it was getting too sensitive, and I think she mentioned she finished, I didn't see any crazy reaction though, so who knows. I decided to finish after that anyway.

Afterwards, we sat together, ate some chips, I asked about her tits because she kept on her full body top the whole time during sex, and she told me she was depressed as a teenager, harmed her breasts and is still self conscious about them. I told her I appreciate letting me know, and she showed me her tits, the scars she mentioned were barely visible, I told her they are really hot, but she said she is still working with this insecurity.

We also danced a bit to colombian music, pretty sensual so it got me hard again, but when I went to escalate again she wasn't reciprocating and was telling me she has to catch a train to go back home to meet a friend and she is already late, so I thought whatever l'll let her go. Felt a bit bad that I didn't take her again there, but didn't want to pressure it much.

We left, I took her to the station, gave her my coat for a bit because it was cold and then sent her to her train with a kiss. Later she texted me thanks for everything, that it was amazing and about something she thought she forgot, but then erased the message and told me to enjoy the shopping I would be doing.

About two hours after that I sent her it was a great time and hope she still has some energy and enjoys the time with her friend. I had also mentioned to her before leaving that I will be probably on vacation from next week and back in August, and she was calculating a bit when she would be back in this country, so I guess she would probably be interested in meeting again.

She told me a lot of times how hot I am and not gonna lie it was interesting, because she is quite cute and young and my body is not that great so having it being looked at as a piece of meat is not something I am particularly used to. I also see now in her profile in the app that she is still in the area of my city by her distance to me and not in the other city she lives in, so I wouldn't be surprised if she had a date with another guy the same evening.

But anyway, the important thing is I slept with her, and the sex was fairly long and good too.

Conclusion

To conclude, I know it is a dating app lay, but I feel there are important lessons to get from this one.

First of all, to always be ready for sex. You never no if this random hot girl that doesn't speak your language will travel 100km just to see you in the middle of the day and have sex with you, but you better be ready for it, and that is what I am mostly happy about. Although throughout the whole exchange I was expecting some sort of flake, or a weird vibe when we would meet without being able to communicate, I just pushed through as well as I could.

Secondly, to pay attention where you are in the date, how she communicates with you, and for any cues that it is time to move. I was ready to propose a movement when she started feeling uncomfortable with the other couple next to us, but when she literally wrote this down to me I simply felt that ok I am taking her home, we are having a good connection here, no need to prolong this.

Lastly, to be able to calibrate the sexual escalation. I have had girls that absolutely loved me going for their breasts, I have had others that would show their breasts but nothing else, so for this one I thought ok she seems to really not want to show breasts, I'll just go for the pussy since that is what matters. So paying attention to the girl and what she really enjoys tells you how to move forward effectively.

In the end, it did feel that this match was too good to be true, but well it was true, or at least I made it become true and I am really happy for that.
 
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My dating app success is not big in general, so when this obviously attractive 25 year old Colombian girl with beach photos, a paid profile, and being 100km away matched with me, I was honestly not expecting much...

Texting on the app

My first message was telling her that I love her playfully sensual energy, then she asked me if I speak spanish. I don't but I used some basic spanish and google translate to ask her where she is. She told me she is for vacation in this other city more than 1 hour train ride from mine, and I told her where I am and asked when she is coming here.

She said next week, and she asked if I am an actor ( I have a picture of me on stage and do it as an amateur ). I told her I am an actor too, and told her next week I am free to meet Monday or Thursday. She very excitedly said yes Monday works, and then said: but for sex, no.

I told her I don't plan when I have sex, and we only do it when we feel it. She said that's good, I asked her when on Monday she can be here, she said 12pm, so we agreed and I told her to come to a specific train station, that is close to my place.

All this conversation happened on Friday and I wasn't even thinking much of it, because I wasn't feeling there is a big probability that this girl that doesn't even speak a language we can communicate in will come in the middle of the day riding the train for over an hour and be ready to have sex. But I was still thinking well whatever let's see how it goes.

Meeting and connecting

Today I woke up at 10 am, sent her a text for where exactly to meet me, she said she got a bit busy and she will be able to come around 1pm and asked to exchange numbers. We went on whatsapp and at some point she texted me exactly her train connection and where she was, so I thought ok at least it is happening, let's see.

I tidied up the house a bit and prepared myself. I went and met her at the train station, texting her to come down from the platform to find me. She did and felt very excited when we met. Quite cute up close too, pretty short skirt, I just wasn't sure if she was some kind of extra flirty latina type that likes being physical but is very difficult to bed.

We went together to a nearby open bar I take all girls lately, it had just opened for the afternoon, we took a coffee and a tea and took a seat at a couch. She got seated right away with her legs up the couch turned so she could face me, and I was feeling it was on. She was quite receptive to my touch too.

In the beginning our discussions were extra basic about how Colombians are crazy about coffee and dancing, I told her I dance too and we will try later, and we were using whatever combination of spanish and english we could muster. At some point I took the phone out and started writing something to translate it, and she helped me even more by bringing out a voice translator in her phone.

From that point on, we were basically discussing by saying something to the phone in our language, me in english, her in spanish, and then having the other person listen to the translated version and answer back.

We started talking about dancing, she mentioned how for Colombians it is mostly about the emotion and the connection, I had her explain and told her how I love that over the technique, and it is important to feel the person you are with and have chemistry.

Then she mentioned how Colombians are way more open in general than the people around here and they will talk to you and connect with a smile, and the girls are way more feminine. I mentioned how I love what she expresses and I enjoy natural feminine energy, and we got into a talk about how men either get scared to express their sexual interest or they only care about sex and nothing else.

I asked her how she got in that app, because it is a pretty sexually oriented app, she said she was with her young sister and got in and that she enjoys connecting with people, but doesn't want just sex right away, that's why she gave me that text in the beginning. I explained how it is important to meet the person, feel the energy and that for me I don't care just about having sex but i want it to be an experience where we are letting go and enjoying the moment, because we both truly feel that is what we want.

All these discussions by the way may have happened in some sort of different order, and how exactly we went from one topic to another is a bit blurry to me, but let's say that I was gradually trying to go into more sexual topics and having her feel that I love sex and I feel it's important to feel connected first and that you can trust the person to let go, while she was generally agreeing and giving me signals to move forward.

I was also touching her from time to time, even a bit more sensually by caressing her fingers for a bit, and I could feel there is a vibe for sure, so I was thinking whether it makes more sense to take her to another place first to go for a kiss, or straight to my place.

Pull and escalation

Gladly she helped me with that. At some point two other people came to sit close to us, and she started being shy about translating all this sex talk out loud. We exchanged two-three more translations by writing them down, which obviously took more time and had a lot of silence in between, and at some point she wrote me how unlucky we are that these people came to sit next to us and we cannot talk freely. So I thought, ok here is the cue, and I responded yes, I see we are done with the drinks, let's go somewhere more comfortable, my place is nearby and I have some sweets from my home country. She agreed very easily and we started walking.

Back in my place we naturally went in while keeping talking via voice translations again. I had her take her shoes off, brought her some water and the sweets as we sat on my couch. We ate the sweets and she went into some talk about how much she likes them and what they remind her of, so I wrote in the translator: too much talking about food, showed it to her and then pulled her in for a kiss.

She didn't resist at all, and damn she was soft and passionate. Now from the time we had started going home, I had started feeling fairly nervous too. I wasn't expecting it to happen, but I think it was this thought of ok it is happening after a while, I've got to make it and sleep with this one. And it didn't help, because as she started riding me on the couch with all our clothes on, I ejaculated in my pants.

The good thing I guess is that it has happened a few times before, so at this point I am very used to just telling them to give me a minute, going to the bathroom, cleaning myself up a bit, and coming back to continue. In a weird way I feel it creates a push pull dynamic that is not intended, but is welcome.

As I was going to the bathroom, she said something like no sex, I didn't respond really since we couldn't communicate much anyway. I came back started kissing and escalating again, she was feeling it, but she was very strict about not taking her top off and revealing her boobs. For a second I thought, damn if she is so intense about me not seeing her boobs what is the probability of even moving forward, but then I started going around it.

I decided that hell, her skirt is so short, I am literally grabing her ass when she is on top of me and I can easily feel her panties and pussy, so I started rubbing it over them. And she was getting quite excited. I stood up and held her tight, with some more making out, spanking and panties rubbing, and then I pulled her to the bed exactly next to us. Everything is in the same room, my place is small.

She was still saying something about no sex, but I just decided to focus on her pussy. I pulled up her skirt and was rubbing and licking above her panties, until she got more excited and I decided to simply push everything to the side and attack the pussy directly.

Some licking of the clitoris and fingering and she was getting super horny, so I simply took my cock out and heard the blessed words: solo con condom, si? Si. I brought the first condom, somehow I got it stuck on my penis midway, took it out, brought another, had her stroke me and got in.

Sex and afterwards

The rest was quite some time of having sex in different positions and in different speeds, with a lot of spanish words coming out of her mouth excitedly. At least the previous orgasm made me last really long, I eventually came only because I thought it would be nice to finish while inside her. Not exactly sure if and how she came, there was a point that she told me she wanted to finish and told me to go hard for it. I told her to say please, and then started giving it hard to her while she kept saying please. Then at some point she stopped me because I guess it was getting too sensitive, and I think she mentioned she finished, I didn't see any crazy reaction though, so who knows. I decided to finish after that anyway.

Afterwards, we sat together, ate some chips, I asked about her tits because she kept on her full body top the whole time during sex, and she told me she was depressed as a teenager, harmed her breasts and is still self conscious about them. I told her I appreciate letting me know, and she showed me her tits, the scars she mentioned were barely visible, I told her they are really hot, but she said she is still working with this insecurity.

We also danced a bit to colombian music, pretty sensual so it got me hard again, but when I went to escalate again she wasn't reciprocating and was telling me she has to catch a train to go back home to meet a friend and she is already late, so I thought whatever l'll let her go. Felt a bit bad that I didn't take her again there, but didn't want to pressure it much.

We left, I took her to the station, gave her my coat for a bit because it was cold and then sent her to her train with a kiss. Later she texted me thanks for everything, that it was amazing and about something she thought she forgot, but then erased the message and told me to enjoy the shopping I would be doing.

About two hours after that I sent her it was a great time and hope she still has some energy and enjoys the time with her friend. I had also mentioned to her before leaving that I will be probably on vacation from next week and back in August, and she was calculating a bit when she would be back in this country, so I guess she would probably be interested in meeting again.

She told me a lot of times how hot I am and not gonna lie it was interesting, because she is quite cute and young and my body is not that great so having it being looked at as a piece of meat is not something I am particularly used to. I also see now in her profile in the app that she is still in the area of my city by her distance to me and not in the other city she lives in, so I wouldn't be surprised if she had a date with another guy the same evening.

But anyway, the important thing is I slept with her, and the sex was fairly long and good too.

Conclusion

To conclude, I know it is a dating app lay, but I feel there are important lessons to get from this one.

First of all, to always be ready for sex. You never no if this random hot girl that doesn't speak your language will travel 100km just to see you in the middle of the day and have sex with you, but you better be ready for it, and that is what I am mostly happy about. Although throughout the whole exchange I was expecting some sort of flake, or a weird vibe when we would meet without being able to communicate, I just pushed through as well as I could.

Secondly, to pay attention where you are in the date, how she communicates with you, and for any cues that it is time to move. I was ready to propose a movement when she started feeling uncomfortable with the other couple next to us, but when she literally wrote this down to me I simply felt that ok I am taking her home, we are having a good connection here, no need to prolong this.

Lastly, to be able to calibrate the sexual escalation. I have had girls that absolutely loved me going for their breasts, I have had others that would show their breasts but nothing else, so for this one I thought ok she seems to really not want to show breasts, I'll just go for the pussy since that is what matters. So paying attention to the girl and what she really enjoys tells you how to move forward effectively.

In the end, it did feel that this match was too good to be true, but well it was true, or at least I made it become true and I am really happy for that.
when a girl says "no sex" means sex is going to happen, this is common knowledge to most seducers....

this is something for you to do that is high odds when you are in this situations:


p.s. i was going to troll you with "stop reading after apps" but i get why you made the post...
 

Ragnar

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enjoyed reading this. Latina girls are my favorite. and i'm glad you two were still able to communicate despite the language barrier

you mentioned "we got into a talk about how men either get scared to express their sexual interest "

this is probably one of my issues. i've actually gotten several women from dating apps to meet me in person, but I haven't gotten intimate with them because the dates had too much of a platonic vibe. this will probably make me sound like a wimp, but i'm a bit scared to ask a girl on a first date to come back to my place--just because i don't want to creep them out/scare them/frighten them. if i can get them to meet me for a second date, i'm more willing to move things forward physically. but i guess i'll have to work on this because after reading all these same day lay stories on this website, i have a feeling i've probably been moving too slow

sorry, wasn't trying to make this thread about me, but that parted i quoted above really struck me hard
 

ChrisXKiss

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when a girl says "no sex" means sex is going to happen, this is common knowledge to most seducers....

this is something for you to do that is high odds when you are in this situations:
Thanks for this Skills! Yeah, I do know that generally it is going to happen when she mentions she doesn't want it back at my place. My approach has been just to either say an ok, sure, or just not disagree and then keep escalating physically as long as she is going with it.

I love the technique you mentioned though, it is even more powerful for hard cases.

I feel that I was mostly worried by her first no sex during the texting. Because I was thinking that maybe she is girl that is looking for some husband to get a passport and she will try to slow game me too much. Her response to me saying I don't plan sex and we do it when we feel it, told me that she probably just needs some comfort first.
 

ChrisXKiss

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this is probably one of my issues. i've actually gotten several women from dating apps to meet me in person, but I haven't gotten intimate with them because the dates had too much of a platonic vibe. this will probably make me sound like a wimp, but i'm a bit scared to ask a girl on a first date to come back to my place--just because i don't want to creep them out/scare them/frighten them. if i can get them to meet me for a second date, i'm more willing to move things forward physically. but i guess i'll have to work on this because after reading all these same day lay stories on this website, i have a feeling i've probably been moving too slow
The thing is I don't believe that the expression of the intent happens when you invite her home. There has to be something in the air, some playful communication, some touching, some seductive eye contact.

For example, at some point she mentioned during the date that girls in Colombia learn how to be feminine from very young, and then they put too much emphasis on that and how to present themselves, they dress sexy and get surgeries for plastic boobs. I looked at her boobs with a playfully inquisitive look at that moment pointing it a them, and she jumped laughing saying no natural, and I told her good, I prefer natural.

So there has to be a vibe, and some general expression of interest and sexual tension so that you can feel that ok we are both feeling it, let's invite her home. If you don't have that, it will make you more nervous to invite her home because you will know it has been very platonic and it will feel incongruent.

So although I generally prefer going for the close no matter what, I'd say it's better to focus on how you interact and the energy you build during the date first to then feel more comfortable taking the step forward. But even if you don't feel it that much, you can always just go for the pull in the end, because who knows it may just work.
 

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when a girl says "no sex" means sex is going to happen, this is common knowledge to most seducers....

this is something for you to do that is high odds when you are in this situations:


p.s. i was going to troll you with "stop reading after apps" but i get why you made the post...
Just curious why are u against apps?
 

Skills

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Sorry can't edit if is a field or lr of something that is practical from apps in here the no sex flip is fine cause there's something to be learned... But my point is there are not really insights most of time... Unless they post the texting with an insight..
 

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Sorry can't edit if is a field or lr of something that is practical from apps in here the no sex flip is fine cause there's something to be learned... But my point is there are not really insights most of time... Unless they post the texting with an insight..
Ah posted above comment without reading this

Idk about west man but here there are still things to do.

for example I came from a date just right now, this one is a case of someone with truama from past relationship and making herself sound like looking for marriage.

Now if I want to lay her, without going for douchebag route of saying I will be your boyfriend, I will still need to create an experience for her, reframe her objections, arouse her etc.

not all womens on app are dtf you see.

though I agree cold approach skills are superior but only thing dating apps cuts is opening phase.

rest of the seduction to hooking her in, escalating the vibe etc is there.

P.S. still agree cold approach is superior but don’t agree on reports from online having no value.
 

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Ah posted above comment without reading this

Idk about west man but here there are still things to do.

for example I came from a date just right now, this one is a case of someone with truama from past relationship and making herself sound like looking for marriage.

Now if I want to lay her, without going for douchebag route of saying I will be your boyfriend, I will still need to create an experience for her, reframe her objections, arouse her etc.

not all womens on app are dtf you see.

though I agree cold approach skills are superior but only thing dating apps cuts is opening phase.

rest of the seduction to hooking her in, escalating the vibe etc is there.

P.S. still agree cold approach is superior but don’t agree on reports from online having no value.
Is not about superior or not... There are a lot of shit cold approach lr.. were is like i met her, i flirted i pulled total waste of time...

Like in this case obviously post that fr cause it would be helpful to know how to handle that situation in the future...

Again apps is fine if you have a road block or something unusual or something were there is something to be learned..

But if is i matched, she came over and we fucked.... Total waste of time
 

empath

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Is not about superior or not... There are a lot of shit cold approach lr.. were is like i met her, i flirted i pulled total waste of time...

Like in this case obviously post that fr cause it would be helpful to know how to handle that situation in the future...

Again apps is fine if you have a road block or something unusual or something were there is something to be learned..

But if is i matched, she came over and we fucked.... Total waste of time
Yeah I agree with it.

same goes of cold approach LRs, I opened we vibed and went home.

like unless LRs details what was actually going in the head of the seducer and the decision making they don’t add value.

So yeah you don’t like brag reports basically.
 
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