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Look alright, I'm going to try to be helpful. Just to give you the benefit of doubt. Women have a lot of shields I agree with that. Sometimes it is because they do not like you, sometimes it is because they want to hide something, low self esteem, shyness, frustration, you name it. But a lot of members here can vouch that when you work on your fundamentals quite hard... the reactions you get become a lot better and I guess that is your key to "even the playing field". Doesn't mean your problems will end overnight, but I guess it is the best way to solve your problem. Because right now you come with mathetical assumptions... which are not as hard facts as you are presenting them to be. There is a mental ceiling there which you need to pry through.
So while working on your game get a good look at your diet, your clothing, your posture. You will see that a lot of your "value" problems will be solved. I think this is the best basic advice I can give, without going too deep into each and every metric there is. No need to make it more confusing than it has to be, at least for now.
So while working on your game get a good look at your diet, your clothing, your posture. You will see that a lot of your "value" problems will be solved. I think this is the best basic advice I can give, without going too deep into each and every metric there is. No need to make it more confusing than it has to be, at least for now.
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im not gonna even watch some random youtuber. If thats where you get your insight from i can understand your troubles. Dont listen to random unqualified angles on things - look for field proven technique and people who know. The skilled people in this community is a good starting point to validate things from. forget youtube at large unless angled or highlighted from one of us. which will rarely happen.
Read into the material and youll find several heavy level seducers uses this tactic and that its a KEY to somes opening styles. people that pull massively. Recently kvothe posted a report using a related tech called body rocking for example. Another mystery tech that is great. See the field rapport section.
Choose a style and techs and deepen into them. read eg loftys journal to get a good sense of how to engage with the learnings. He is doing many things well for example in his research of things and how he has tried things out to get to know them in field.
Check eg. how bacchus and i use active hovers and materialisations which is a form of active disinterest in the period where we actively position to get on her radar, then turn to create striking eye contact, shift to casual openings etc how ijjjji and i mingle in w partial attention also leaving hbs on purpose to create loss and snowball effect.
What im trying to outline here is how you BEST learn the right things. You need to figure out what things you wanna learn. then find the good intel on it from good sources. then apply.
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Where, in all of this information and categorization of the girl, is anything that describes something unique and interesting about her as a person that a seducer could play around with?
For that matter, where in your description of 'You' is there any value placed on something unique and interesting that is not simply a categorization of 'naturally attractive' or not?
The way this information comes across it's as if she's Madonna and you're nobody. That's not a healthy way to look at any woman.
Seduction (at least the way I do it) operates by playing with the unexpected, the mysterious, the spontaneous, the curious, the intangible forces that push and pull our attention. A bubble, that isn't generated by factual information but by evocative words and movements, inside of which things she's never done before come naturally.
Does a woman dancing with a man in the dark know if he is 'above her' in status? No, she simply feels whether his rhythm is right or wrong. Seduction is about getting her to close her eyes for a moment in the middle of the chaos and leading her on that dance in the dark.
All I like to say is that you have to complete the newbie assignment and document in detail each interaction.
You can even post those interactions here and I am sure many members here will be happy to point out things that could have turned the tide in your favor.
Doing this will help you identify sticking points and improve upon them.
Good luck
You can even post those interactions here and I am sure many members here will be happy to point out things that could have turned the tide in your favor.
Doing this will help you identify sticking points and improve upon them.
Good luck
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I think it will help forum members help you if you just list out your beliefs or sticking points on dating in a concise bullet list. So that way, we clearly know where you are coming from and can better help.
Something like
I think it will help forum members help you if you just list out your beliefs or sticking points on dating in a concise bullet list. So that way, we clearly know where you are coming from and can better help.
Something like
- Women are X.
- Women think Y so I must Z.
- To lay women, I must...
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Where, in all of this information and categorization of the girl, is anything that describes something unique and interesting about her as a person that a seducer could play around with?
That sounds like you needed to circumvent the fact that you find her attractive because you are male. How would you approach a woman on a nudist beach or sauna in europe? Or a woman who has no courage and wears whatever does not make her stand out?
That sounds like you needed to circumvent the fact that you find her attractive because you are male. How would you approach a woman on a nudist beach or sauna in europe? Or a woman who has no courage and wears whatever does not make her stand out?
That's not the point. The point is that she sees herself as better. I am not nobody in my world, but I am nobody in her world. And only my approach can change that.
Useless barrage of buzzwords.
Don't waste our time with your intentional misunderstanding of my phrases.
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If your approach is on the basis that she is 'stunning' and you are 'nobody in her world' then it won't get very far.
You are pedestalizing her. She's just a girl. Sometimes she wakes up and wonders whether anyone really likes her or actually thinks she's beautiful. Sometimes she walks around and gets turned on by weird things. Sometimes she wonders if she should walk out of her job and go and work in an orphanage in some godforsaken corner of the planet, and marry the doctor she finds there, out where nobody can judge her. Her pussy smells, she farts a lot, she's got rings under her eyes when she's got no makeup on, and she's a brat when she hasn't eaten in two hours.
But for you, she's out of this world.
Either find a way to love and connect with women for who they really are, or be forever dismissed as another spectator she rejects daily as cannon fodder for her validation.
I understand you have been through a lot, and we are here to help. In order to guide you further, I would recommend we take it one step at a time. I can see you are in a rush to get a solution, I get it. Here are the first steps I would recommend:
1. Buy the book "The One Thing" by Gary Keller https://the1thing.com/ It cost $15.97
We need to get you focused on learning one thing at a time. The guys above have given you some great advice, however, I see you moving the topic further on to other things.
2. Buy the book "Failing Forward: Turning Mistakes Into Stepping Stones For Success"
The reason I highly recommend this book is because right now you are seeing everything as a barrier/problem. You are thinking of women as better than you, and you as a nobody. Which is a mindset that will hinder your success.
3. Take a moment to reflect on the advice given. We are here to help. Try not to give hard pushbacks on the advice being given. Take it one step a time. If it helps, take out a pen and paper and write a new line for each piece of advice we give you, then start implementing one at a time.
Again, I empathize with your situation. Right now you are so upset at the situation, it feels like everyone here is talking nonsense? Ok take a moment, write down the steps we shared, and let's tackle the problems ONE at a time.
I hope this helps
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Yep, I wonder how many of these guys have full time jobs.
I just started working and honestly I have less free time but being focused on mission helps to remove bullshit self defeating weakness and just low level nonsense
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It depends on the job.
Personally, I work from home in fact I am working now as I write this haha.
Prior to COVID, I was working in the office and I would have to spend 2-3 hours per day just commuting and then 9 hours on the job. So 12 hours of my day were already gone.
I get it though, guys who have to work out in public, and have long commutes, gaming girls will be tougher. If I wanted to though, I could sign off work and be out picking up girls, going to the gym, working on side incomes... in a matter of minutes after ending my day job.
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I mean, it took me five minutes to reply to this thread. Hardly a full-time job for anyone else who replied too.
Anyway, this thread is derailed and a dumpster fire. Should be locked.
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Sorry, I didn't really phrase my reply properly.
I wasn't really talking about the frequency of posts. You're right it only takes 5 mins or even less to reply to a thread. There are loads of people with full time jobs and very demanding posts that still manage to make posts and field reports.
I was talking more about the tone of the posts. I would assume that someone with a demanding and engaging job, would not have such a defeatist/loser attitude in their posts. Maybe I am wrong though.
No worries, I see where you're coming from now.
I myself noticed that when I'm really preoccupied with work or something demanding that all the little things drop off my radar more often. Like the internet flame wars, outrage media, etc. Suddenly they don't seem so important. It's like my bandwidth for what I care about is maxed out. Which is a plus.
I have seen a defeatist/victim mentality hold people back though. Like when I got a job promotion. There was another, more experienced coworker who could have gotten it but he didn't even try to apply because he psyched himself out.
The coworker took himself out of the running before an honest try for a similar role. And he was rather demanding because he expected things to come to him versus seeking them out. So I do agree there is a correlation between that defeatist attitude and demanding vibe.
Meanwhile I was refining resumes, drilling interview rehearsals, speaking with managers, etc.
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Yh exactly!
It's a shame about your coworker. I have seen very talented friends, literally talk themselves out of applying to good opportunities.
Being proactive is so important in life. Seeing every opportunity as an potential learning opportunity even if it goes negatively or positively. Great to hear about your promotion!!
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My approach is on the basis that she is 'stunning' and she sees me as 'nobody in her world' and I need to make her come down from her high horse and respect me.
She is pedestalizing herself even though she's just a girl. I am well aware that there is no basis for her assumption and I want to make her feel that.
@Troy
My approach is on the basis that she is 'stunning' and she sees me as 'nobody in her world' and I need to make her come down from her high horse and respect me.
She is pedestalizing herself even though she's just a girl. I am well aware that there is no basis for her assumption and I want to make her feel that.
@Troy
See reply to Will_V. Also, stop being full of yourself, you are no better than me.
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Dude, for most of us here girls seem to know that we are very valuable before even talking to them.
Once we step on the street the women start chasing after us and demand us to be their boyfriend, if we deny they start creating a scene and crying their eyes out. They even say they are ready share us with other women.
Also for all of us here somehow getting women had become automatic. We didn't practice socialisation it was dawned upon us as we were going through puberty.
All the stories here by members as to how much effort they had to put to learn is a total lie. We are only doing that to create hope for people who aren't good with women so that it helps to improve business of girlschase.com.
So we can't relate to your situation, I suggest finding help elsewhere.
Dude, for most of us here girls seem to know that we are very valuable before even talking to them.
Once we step on the street the women start chasing after us and demand us to be their boyfriend, if we deny they start creating a scene and crying their eyes out. They even say they are ready share us with other women.
Also for all of us here somehow getting women had become automatic. We didn't practice socialisation it was dawned upon us as we were going through puberty.
All the stories here by members as to how much effort they had to put to learn is a total lie. We are only doing that to create hope for people who aren't good with women so that it helps to improve business of girlschase.com.
So we can't relate to your situation, I suggest finding help elsewhere.
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@Sully,
dude, for most of you girls in your lives seem to only be a fantasy.
Would most of you step out of your door to the street the women wouldn't notice you. They have no incentive to have a threesome with you.
Contrary to you, I don't hide behind made up stories, I report about real life experiences. Also I am down to earth and do what is actually feasible.
Playing videogames has become automatic for most of you.
Let's face it, the only helpful reply in this thread was https://www.skilledseducer.com/threads/even-out-the-playing-field.25849/post-145595.
dude, for most of you girls in your lives seem to only be a fantasy.
Would most of you step out of your door to the street the women wouldn't notice you. They have no incentive to have a threesome with you.
Contrary to you, I don't hide behind made up stories, I report about real life experiences. Also I am down to earth and do what is actually feasible.
Playing videogames has become automatic for most of you.
Let's face it, the only helpful reply in this thread was https://www.skilledseducer.com/threads/even-out-the-playing-field.25849/post-145595.
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