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Seppuku

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What's up gentlemen? Long time I didn't post here.

It's June 2018, and after a month of Ramadan in this conservative Muslim country I am really blowing a fuse. To make things worse, in the last few months I've been through a little cleaning in my life, broke up with Nairobi girlfriend and dropped my regular low-end FWBs here, focused on my powerlifting routine as well as getting started with my blog. In short, all work and no play makes Seppuku a dull boy.

Alright, so I decide to book a two weeks holiday in the Philippines, and see if I can renew my pasts exploits there... Here is what happened.

June 15th. Charlene
So I arrive in Manila on June 14th, and start to swipe my way through the usual apps. Very soon I notice Charlene, my LR in Singapore from three years ago. She's online, and apparently lives now a mile away from my hotel. She notices me, and soon opens me. I must have made a good impression on her last time :). We agree on meeting in SM Megamall about an hour later. I arrive to the meeting... And surprise, she's now overly fat. She was so cute before, but now turned into a landwhale - what a pity! We spend a few hours in the mall, have tea, coffee, chat our lives, and she shows me around. She's obviously excited and as I can tell, most likely anticipating some action... To pull or not to pull, that is the question. Old Seppuku would have pulled her in the hotel "out of mere politeness", but the new Seppuku has higher quality requirements. Sorry darling. I return to the hotel and leave her disappointed.

June 17th to 19th. Liza's mini-drama
After the Charlene short adventure, I get back in touch with Liza. She's a Philippines girl I met online in my Gulf country, but never got to meet in real because her arab employers would not let her take a regular day off. Liza is now on a holiday in the Philippines, and as per our last chat, she had already suggested I meet her there. So here I am. Warm reception on Whatsapp. She lives at a 4 hours drive south of Manila, so I suggest to book a nice room in a resort in Tagaytay, which is half-way, and a touristic attraction. She says she will join me there... Initially. But on the 17th, when I'm on the way there, she now asks "can you come to my city?". LOL. It starts smelling flakey. So, as a rule, when you have a date agreed and she changes the terms of the date at the last minute, you have to politely refuse and stick to the original plan - it would be otherwise be a massive break of frame. So I tell her I'll go to Tagaytay as agreed, the room is booked for two nights until the 19th, she can join me if she wants, and on the 19th I'll be on my way to Cebu. Her excuse for changing the plan is that her mom is sick in hospital, and as a "proof" she sends me a pic of her in a hospital room with an elderly person. A pic which, for all I know, could very well have been taken two weeks ago. The next day in the early morning, she texts that she will maybe come. Enquire about the location. Then about taxi cost - where she probably expects me to jump in and propose to pay for the taxi, which I don't. Alright this is going to be a flake. I spend the day of 18th on the tourist sites, then at the pool. In the evening she confirms that she will not come, no kidding, I don't even answer, and the next morning I'm gone.

June 19th. Cebu city. Doreen
So far it's been 5 days, and still no luck. Doreen jumped on me in Tinder from my arrival in Cebu airport in the early evening. I know fairly well that the first girls to jump on you in the apps, are usually the professionals. I suggest a coffee shop the next day, but she says she can't meet me the next day because of her busy schedule, then she'll be gone for a week in Manila. So... she proposes to come to my hotel directly and spend the night there. She sends me a bunch of very nice pictures of her. She’s definitely a beauty. And indeed she works as a professional model. I don't accept right away and go for dinner on my own.

I have some quick chat with Kalyan my friend (from these Boards). I tell him that she is most likely a hooker, and she will only let me know the price when she is in my bedroom - a situation that I find uncomfortable. He says he disagrees, she could be DTF as well. So I decide to give it a go. It's like poker, if you want to know you have to play. At 11 pm I text her.

Me: Finished dinner. Where are you?
Her: You accept me?
Me: Yeah. So let's meet. If you’re still up
Her: I'll tell you if I'm coming - no darling, you can't give me this crap.
Me: No. I'm playing by your rules. You wanted it this way. So if you're not sure, it's ok. Tomorrow we get a coffee during the day.
Her: I'm almost coming. Are u really OK?
Me: Yes I am, if you are. But you tell me now yes or no because I want to know now.
Her: I'm coming
Me: When?
Her: Now

15 minutes later she shows up in the lobby of my hotel. Very pretty.

And then the rest is exactly as I predicted. When she's in underwear in the room, she asks for money. Alright darling, you win, I'm not going to kick you out now. I end up paying 80$. She stays for the night. As pretty as she was, the sex is really medium, she's not very much into it, and to tell the truth, me neither. The conclusion is, next time I will listen to my intuition when it tells me it must be a hooker.

In the morning I give her the amount, she leaves, and I never hear from her again. And that was my first experience with a professional, and not willing to reiterate.

June 20th to 23rd. Rowena again
I met her in Tinder when I was last here, almost two years ago, and went on a single date with her. That time, she was displaying mixed signs of excitement (spontaneously toyuching me, excited chatting), but also of weak compliance (not withholding hands for long). Plus, I had a cold and didn't feel well. So I didn't push for hotel that time. And the next day, I met Jackie the self pulling beauty, who made me forget all other female prospects at once (if there is any interest, both interactions described in my journal post here). So, no LR with Rowena back then. But we somehow managed to keep contact in Instagram all these two years. And on Saturday 16th, she notices my IG post in Manila. She initiates, and ask when we can meet. She's currently on a vacation in another part of the Philippines. But on the 19th, when I arrive in Cebu, she informs me that she's back to Cebu as well. On the 20th in the morning, after Doreen left, she engages me. She's basically free from work obligations fo the next 3 days, and we agree to meet later in the morning in a coffee shop.

We catch up on our stories after all this time - she sits opposite to me but becomes very touchy over the conversation. After an hour, we take a few pictures together, then get out of the coffee shop. I take her hand... and it is well received (no weak compliance like last time). We walk around in the mall looking for a place to eat. After lunch we walk around the shops. She has been mentioning the pool at Quest hotel, so I tell her it would be a good idea to purchase her a swimming suit. In the shop, she tries various swimming suits, and I inspect the results. She briefly (and intentionally) touches my dick through the trousers. And I’m half size. LOL. She buys a suit and we then head for my hotel, direction my bedroom, where I put on my swimwear. We have a good time in the pool, then head back to my bedroom for a shower. It is around 4pm. She goes first to the shower but leaves the door open. I see her inside... she asks me to join her in the shower. I remove my clothes and join. After the shower, I take her to the bed.

About four hours meet to bed, very smooth! We both knew we would be fucking later on, from the beginning in the coffee shop, but it was confirmed when she touched my dick in the shop.

I then book two nights in a beach resort in Mactan island, where we spend the remaining time together. Excellent time, very enjoyable. On the Saturday 23rd she has to fly to Manila for her job, and we part. With Doreen and Rowena immediately jumping on me since I arrived, my swiping activity didn't have time to yield much. So after Rowena left, I return to Cebu and resume swiping. God, so many ladyboys in these apps nowadays! The results start to come on Sunday 24th morning. Two girls seem to arise, Jen and Arlyn. But Jen responds quicker. So I get a date with Jen the same day at 3pm. Arlyn is pushed for the next day.

June 24th. Jen and the ladyboy scare
So I meet her in my usual coffee shop. She is petite and cute, very well dressed, long, black, healthy hair. Mini dress and heels showing perfect legs. But when I see her from closer.. Gosh, is that an Adam apple?

In the Philippines, just because a girl looks like a girl, doesn't necessarily mean she's a girl. On their online profiles, most ladyboys have the decency to actually state it: "Proud ladyboy of Cebu", or "#TG", or "proud LGBT", or "Transgender here". Some state it a little more subtle way: "a lady with a plus" etc... But some don't state it at all, so you'd better develop a keen eye. But in her case, I didn't see anything, and I was even so sure that I didn't ask if she's a genuine girl, before we meet.

So... I start the date with a big doubt in my mind. I keep some reserve the whole time but at the same time I want to avoid being asshole, because if she's really a man, she's still good and nice. So I'm not my usual charming, I keep a distance and (initially) avoid to touch. But at the same time doing my best to remain nice people. We finish our coffee... Time to go out. I take her/his hand and we walk. Hand well accepted. We walk around in the mall. I have to raise the subject... Is she a ladyboy? She senses my inner debate and asks me "do you have a question to ask? Or something to tell me?"

Yet I still don't ask. We are now seated side by side outside on the terraces. I start to talk about my divorce and kids... And ask her "how about you? Do you have a big past to tell me?"... and this is when she mentions being a single mom. Phew! The picture of her daughter looks like her. For more confidence, I start to mention how dating here is ambiguous: the hookers, the foreigner specialists, the ladyboys... She agrees without any particular reaction at the mention of ladyboys. I'm more in confidence now... And I start to relax at last!

She starts talking about her story, her being pregnant at 16 and the guy who ran away, and the hard life of a single mom at age 16, the parents, etc... She had to interrupt school to get a job and support daughter. We have a quick drink, then start to walk again, hand in hand. There's no more anxiety from me. I led her close to the exit of the mall. She tells me "here we are going out". I say "I suggest we go to my hotel to take a rest" "Are you crazy"” with an excited, half smile. "I could use a rest" and she follows my lead anyway. It’s a five minutes walk.

We’re now in my hotel room, she comes close and kisses me. It takes a little while, because she's fighting against her "I’m a good girl" ASD. I give her complete freedom to leave if she's not comfortable. But finally she gives in. The sex is very good. Didn't notice any dick :) Even so petite (normally not my body type), it is still sexy and nice.

June 25th to 30th. Arlyn
I was thinking of canceling the planned date with Arlyn and focus solely on Jen. But overnight, she has become distant. Not initiating texting (which is a bad sign) and taking ages to reply to my texts. In hindsight, she texted last night that she was afraid of falling in love with me. Well, I've got to respect that. So... I'm going to give a shot to Arlyn after all. Since I'm still not sure if I'm going to meet Jen, I tell Arlyn that I have things to do with my real estate agent later at 3:30pm, so our date is going to be from 1 to 3 pm.

We meet at 1:15 in the same coffee shop. She’s undoubtedly a girl, pretty in person, very lively, happy and smiling. We sit at 90 degrees. The contact is immediately very good, within 15 minutes she's very touchy (she initiates the incidental touching) and I tease her, and create tension and comfort in my usual fashion, and she's all excited and giggling. At 1:50 she comes in my arm for the selfie. I tease her that there's a 5% chance she's a ladyboy. We finish our coffees then go for a walk around in the mall, she accepts my hand right away. At 3pm we part.

By 6pm there is still no sign that I'm going to meet Jen. I text her "Well, if you still want to talk to me you can reach me here". Then I text Arlyn that I'm done with the real estate agent and going out for a dinner. She wants to join. So we meet at around 7:30pm for an italian restaurant. Mood is good. I joke her that she would do a very good lechon meat (local pork-based specialty dish. Delicious). Dinner finished, we walk around in the mall again, hand in hand. She's rubbing her boobs against my arm as we walk - so I joke her about "playing bowling". First floor, second floor, then first again... I mention that I want to drink some wine. She brings me to a restaurant on the third floor that sells wine. The place sucks, and so I tell her. Alright. Time to move. I know I'm in very safe territory here, I have all the signs:

* she touched me first
* accepts my hand very well
* follows my lead
* giggles excitedly
* talks all the time
* and rubs her boobs against my arm as we walk

So. I just say nothing and simply lead her towards my hotel. She doesn't ask any question, until in the lobby, when I take the direction of the elevators. "I thought you wanted have wine in the lobby?" Don’t take this at face value, it's just ASD rationalization. "Yes. We will order wine in my room. Plus, I want to take a shower". I order the wine, go for a quick shower, then come on the bed next to her. She has switched the TV on. Wine arrives. It's me vs the TV show, but I easily I win her over doing a little push pull.

She is extremely good in bed, and has a very sexy body. We end up staying 5 nights together before I leave.

Aftermath
* Charlene re-initiated texting, trying to see if I would be back to Manila. So bad that a cute, pretty girl let herself grow into such a fatty. Sorry darling.

* Liza continued (to this day) liking my IG pics and watching my WhatsApp statuses. Sorry darling, you chose to throw me some BS (say, 70% sure). The chance is gone now.

* Rowena turned crazy jealous the following week. She texted me things like "Enjoying cebuana pussy?" "the Doctor is busy with his patient" "woman's bag LOL" (comment on my Instagram), etc... I deflected all her insinuations the whole week but, at her insistence, I finally gave in and told her three girls. She exploded at my face on Whatsapp. What the fuck? When I was with her, she carefully avoided kissing me on the lips the whole time. Aaaah crazy girls!

* Jen kept a low key contact with me the whole week. But we never got to meet again. It's better like this I suppose.

* Arlyn... She was one of the most sexy girl I had in these past four years. Making love with her was an experience. We're still in touch, however with her vast sexual needs I don't think I can keep her around me until my next stop to Cebu. Let's see.

As for me, I'm pleased to see that the vibe and the skill are still there, even after several months of no practice. Great vacation!

Cheers,
Seppuku
PS. What exactly do I do on date? To be fair I find it harder and harder to describe. It's a combination of sexy vibe, holding frame, and building tension. Within 30 to 60 minutes she's giggling excitedly. The rest is being smooth, and pulling home.
 

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What's up Seppuku!

The Doctor strikes again huh? Four "invasive medical procedures"? You're making us all look like chumps, posting 4 LRs at once;)

Poor Charlene... fatties need love too you know. Especially from us few versed in adapted missionary. Not that I'm volunteering or anything lmao!

In the evening she confirms that she will not come, no kidding, I don't even answer, and the next morning I'm gone.

More like she confirms she won't cum. You would think this would be such an easy decision for a girl...

Very cool how you have instagram paying dividends... a lot of my guy peers, who are a lot more inclined to be on insta due to their age, can't get girls out no matter how many hours they invest in their accounts. Social media is also great at long gaming a girl, which you've got down.

Rowena sounds like a lot of fun. Always cool when girls take initiative in a seduction, makes you feel like they are worthy of your own skill.

Arlyn sounds even more fun. Just her name alone is sexy. Would be very curious to see what looks like.

I made a rule to never tell girls my body counts, no matter how much they beg. The most I'll do is give her a vague idea relative to her own (and that's for girls I dont care about, with girls I do I orchestrate the conversation so she doesn't ask or tell her what she wants to hear). Would you ever consider a rule like that, in light of what happened with Rowena?

Very happy that your vacation was fulfilling. Always a pleasure reading your reports. Maybe you can get Arlyn to fly out and see you... sounds like you guys have mad chemistry.

Ambiance
 

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Hey Ambiance young man!

Ambiance said:
The Doctor strikes again huh? Four "invasive medical procedures"?
The patients were exhibiting symptoms of intense heat. Required injection of seminal fluids during surgery. Procedure went well. Undergoing recovery now.

Poor Charlene... fatties need love too you know. Especially from us few versed in adapted missionary. Not that I'm volunteering or anything lmao!
Hahaha, no don't volunteer! No luck for her, in the past, I would have sacrificed a few drops of cum for the sake of politeness... But now I try to retain only better quality. Too bad! But at the same time why did she let herself inflate like this? She was a cute girl, say HB7.5. There has to be some sort of negative feedback. If they keep getting the dick, how are they going to know that it's not OK to grow fat?

More like she confirms she won't cum. You would think this would be such an easy decision for a girl...
Liza... To be fair, my proposition to meet for the first time ever, was to come straight to my hotel room. No matter how nice the venue, not all girl will accept. I knew it, I decided to give it a shot, didn't work, that's perfectly OK.

Very cool how you have instagram paying dividends... a lot of my guy peers, who are a lot more inclined to be on insta due to their age, can't get girls out no matter how many hours they invest in their accounts. Social media is also great at long gaming a girl, which you've got down.
For avoidance of doubt, all these girls are from dating apps, mostly Tinder, then later connected in Instagram. But yes, Instagram acts as a huge boost. So much more you can communicate, compared to the dating apps: status, sexiness, pre-selection, "conspicuous consumption", and lifestyle. I have gotten Instagram to work for me, and got dates and lays from it, and I keep getting prospects. It works well. Only problem: the prospects can be in any part of the world. But as a man approaching my fifties, I have the income and budget to allow me a few plane tickets a year...

I made a rule to never tell girls my body counts, no matter how much they beg. The most I'll do is give her a vague idea relative to her own (and that's for girls I dont care about, with girls I do I orchestrate the conversation so she doesn't ask or tell her what she wants to hear). Would you ever consider a rule like that, in light of what happened with Rowena?
My policy is to deflect and dodge questions, and it works well most of the time (the girls get the message). But as part of my "no lies, no bullshit" approach, in the face of insistence I would normally tell. And even after I tell, I am often surprised to see the girls stay. There was this Chinese girl Lily, in 2016, (LR somewhere here...) who once asked me how many girls I had dated. Same, I tried deflecting the question, but she insisted, so I told her about 80 (that was 2016). She was like What???? but then kept coming in my bed for six months after that.

With Rowena I just didn't anticipate the visceral jealousy reaction. She called me fuckboy, even admitted to have her own fuck buddies. I thought I was safe. But even if I knew, I would have told in the face of insistence. Better that she knows the truth. If she can't live with it, better that she self eject now. However, things are not necessarily over.

Arlyn sounds even more fun. Just her name alone is sexy. Would be very curious to see what looks like.
We all have different tastes. To me she was pretty, sexy feminine, round shapes, long sexy hair, nice ass and legs, say HB8. But in bed she was the really hot one. The hot action at night. The appetite.

As for the name, I (slightly) change all names in my reports, so that they can't be Googled.

And yes, to your other question, there was chemistry and I would certainly see her again. However it's summer time and I soon switch to full daddy mode, until end of august. Then, there are a couple of girls in Nairobi that I'd like to see from closer. So, not sure when is my next time window to see Arlyn. Let's see if we're still in touch three months from now.

Very happy that your vacation was fulfilling. Always a pleasure reading your reports.
Thank you! I've been away from the Boards a few months, but as I can see you've been a regular contributor to the Field Reports, of the LR kind. Keep up with the good job!

Alright, thanks for the feedback!

Seppuku
PS. Let me see if I can post a blurred pic.
[EDIT]. Couldn't figure out how to post a pic. That's alright.
 

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Hey Seppuku,

Thank you for sharing! Inspiring reads as always.

Too bad about the cutie turned landwhale. lol! At least she got replaced! :)

The Doreen situation makes me wonder.. is there anything you can write a girl that will (i) tell a "working girl" that you don't pay so she has been fairly warned, while also (ii) not scaring off a genuine DTF girl? Maybe some kind of off-hand remark about there being so many working girls on Tinder?

I would really hate to be put in that situation, of having her only state her intentions in the bedroom, where it is kind of inconsiderate to refuse even though it'd be really bad for my frame (well, in your case you have enough success with women it doesn't really matter)... I guess it's kinda her fault though for not being up front sooner.

"You accept me?" -> This comes across as a pretty bizarre thing for a girl to ask! At least directly... Is there some cultural difference here?

"I'll tell you if I'm coming" -> Actually, I find this a little strange coming from a prostitute .. you'd think they wouldn't play games when it's business...

Seppuku said:
There was this Chinese girl Lily, in 2016, (LR somewhere here...) who once asked me how many girls I had dated. Same, I tried deflecting the question, but she insisted, so I told her about 80 (that was 2016). She was like What???? but then kept coming in my bed for six months after that.
LOL! Actually that doesn't really surprise me... I mean, they're programmed to want promiscuous males. Mind you I expect most don't accept that consciously, so I guess deflecting is the best default approach.

I have to think maybe Rowena's going ballistic was just a way for her to rationalize/deny her own behaviours.

Anyway, good stuff!

Phoenix
 

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Hey Phoenix,

Thanks for the feedback!

ThePhoenix said:
The Doreen situation makes me wonder.. is there anything you can write a girl that will (i) tell a "working girl" that you don't pay so she has been fairly warned, while also (ii) not scaring off a genuine DTF girl? Maybe some kind of off-hand remark about there being so many working girls on Tinder?
Yes, good question. It's delicate because if she is a normal girl, you want to avoid calling her prostitute to her face.

I would really hate to be put in that situation, of having her only state her intentions in the bedroom, where it is kind of inconsiderate to refuse even though it'd be really bad for my frame (well, in your case you have enough success with women it doesn't really matter)... I guess it's kinda her fault though for not being up front sooner.
Frankly now Tinder is more and more becoming a marketplace for prostitution. There are more and more working girls on these dating apps, using exactly the same technique. Some other will try to bait you and wait that you propose a price. It's prostitution that doesn't want to say its name.

I can usually spot them, say, with 90% confidence. Here I was pretty sure too. Her ways to force herself into my bed right away was a big flag. But the discussion I had by text with my friend raised the doubt, what if? So I decided to go ahead, just to see. My initial intuition was confirmed.

The way I usually do is to insist on a face to face meeting "date" in a neutral place first, never directly at my home. The prostitute normally wants to go straight to the heart of the matter, so she will rule it out.

But I am thinking to try another strategy. Text her "OK you can come, but if you need to tell me something, you need to say it now". If she wants money, she needs to say, because later it will be too late. Busting the prostitute out.


"You accept me?" -> This comes across as a pretty bizarre thing for a girl to ask! At least directly... Is there some cultural difference here?

"I'll tell you if I'm coming" -> Actually, I find this a little strange coming from a prostitute .. you'd think they wouldn't play games when it's business...
Well, in hindsight it makes sense. She was internally debating if I had understood the nature of the deal. She needed to see me insist on her coming. Which I did. She was in my hotel 15 minutes later, a record time, I wished all ladies out there would be as timely as her.

LOL! Actually that doesn't really surprise me... I mean, they're programmed to want promiscuous males. Mind you I expect most don't accept that consciously, so I guess deflecting is the best default approach.
Exactly! They like it, but can't accept consciously. If you deflect, most of them will understand the message at the subconscious level, and just avoid asking more painful questions.

I have to think maybe Rowena's going ballistic was just a way for her to rationalize/deny her own behaviours.
Maybe? But she had been very much into me, and kept the contact with me for two years, several time inquiring if I was coming to the Philippines. I start to think that she had bigger plans for me than what she wanted to show.

Thanks again!
Seppuku
PS. I started reading your FR. It's another opus ;-) but I'll make sure I post some comments. Cheers!
 

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Seppuku said:
The way I usually do is to insist on a face to face meeting "date" in a neutral place first, never directly at my home. The prostitute normally wants to go straight to the heart of the matter, so she will rule it out.
I figured on something like this too. Mind you, escorts (vs. hookers) are willing to do dates; but I think in their case they will still want some kind of confirmation on the meeting that they are getting paid before they spend much time... not that I've tried, but that I would assume.

Seppuku said:
Text her "OK you can come, but if you need to tell me something, you need to say it now". If she wants money, she needs to say, because later it will be too late. Busting the prostitute out.
That's a good idea! So far I haven't tried Tinder, but I'll keep these things in mind once I do.

Well, I lie sightly. I did some technology testing, only. (Not with real pics.) Of course, to entertain myself I spoofed the location for my fake testing accounts... one I put in Nigeria, and something funny I found (there only - not in the West). A lot of girls had "not into hookups" in their profile, and we know what that means (nothing). But there were also some here and there that actually stated in the profile that they were into hookups, in some cases even "hookups only". I figured this meant prostitutes, but then again, I read somewhere on here that in Africa it is more common to put intentions up-front like this. I think the Philippines are fairly religious, so probably this wouldn't be so likely there.

Seppuku said:
She was internally debating if I had understood the nature of the deal. She needed to see me insist on her coming. Which I did.
Interesting dilemma. So, insistence = customer. But would not a strong, confident man also show insistence / strong resolve?

Seppuku said:
She was in my hotel 15 minutes later, a record time, I wished all ladies out there would be as timely as her.
LOL!

Seppuku said:
Maybe? But she had been very much into me, and kept the contact with me for two years, several time inquiring if I was coming to the Philippines. I start to think that she had bigger plans for me than what she wanted to show.
That does sound quite possible too. What threw me, though, is how she kind of has a double standard... she too has fuck buddies, but when you do she gets jealous! The jealousy could be an attempt at control... but the irony is that, if she actually got that control, you'd then lose attraction, or at least I would think, like a cat getting bored with something it has already caught whereas it chases what it has not caught.

Cheers,
Phoenix
 

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Hey,

But there were also some here and there that actually stated in the profile that they were into hookups, in some cases even "hookups only". I figured this meant prostitutes, but then again, I read somewhere on here that in Africa it is more common to put intentions up-front like this.
It's definitely prostitutes - in one of the many shades of prostitution. It is widespread in Africa. Rampant. Also be aware that AIDS rate is higher with these kinds of girls. For me it is definitely an immediate NO.

I think the Philippines are fairly religious, so probably this wouldn't be so likely there.
The nuns are not on Tinder. LOL. In general I find the mindset very sexually liberated there. Church or no church. Even the "good girls".

Interesting dilemma. So, insistence = customer. But would not a strong, confident man also show insistence / strong resolve?
No I don't think so. She must be used to guys asking her how much upfront. I didn't. So she was in doubt if I had understood, and wanted to make sure I was clear what it is. These ladies want to be prostitutes, without feeling bad about it. So they will avoid saying it upfront, and wait that the offer comes from the man. They can always rationalize, "it's not me. He proposed money, it was convenient, so no harm accepting." Prostitution that doesn't say its name. The other shade of this is with the "sugar babies" which talk about "mutually agreeable arrangement". LOL. Frankly I'm sick of seeing this all over the place now.

What threw me, though, is how she kind of has a double standard... she too has fuck buddies, but when you do she gets jealous! The jealousy could be an attempt at control... but the irony is that, if she actually got that control, you'd then lose attraction, or at least I would think, like a cat getting bored with something it has already caught whereas it chases what it has not caught.
Women jealousy is just visceral. There's nothing rational here. But I otherwise agree about control and attraction!

Cheers
Seppuku
 

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Seppuku said:
It's definitely prostitutes - in one of the many shades of prostitution.
Here again, my first instinct is better than I give it credit for!

Seppuku said:
These ladies want to be prostitutes, without feeling bad about it. So they will avoid saying it upfront, and wait that the offer comes from the man. They can always rationalize, "it's not me. He proposed money, it was convenient, so no harm accepting." Prostitution that doesn't say its name. The other shade of this is with the "sugar babies" which talk about "mutually agreeable arrangement". LOL. Frankly I'm sick of seeing this all over the place now.
This not saying its name, is something some guys also do!

The guy I mentioned in my 1st journal entry is like that. He'll go to a developing country and find a "poor sweet girl" to give cell phones, phone credit, "gifts" of money that here is small but is worth a lot there, etc. He is very careful to not call it prostitution, to the point his mental model is now distorted - he tried to sell me on "beautiful things" flourishing from these arrangements! He got very white-knightey with me and called my present attitude white-privileged arrogance, accusing me of trying to play cruel mind games on women and cheat them out of the providership or money that they deserve for sex. He tried to use my past idiotic behaviour as evidence that in our country you pay women anyway in dates & gifts, and deflected when I related that more recently they've bought ME food. It is sort of hilarious but also irritating.

Seppuku said:
Women jealousy is just visceral. There's nothing rational here.
I agree that it's probably not a consciously rational thing. Mind you I strongly suspect anything that is that well-conserved by evolution must have or have had some purpose, as hard or impossible as it may be to know what that is/was. :)

I think women are inherently under an instinctive, unconscious conflict, because on one hand, they gain a reproductive advantage from a male who can fuck other females, but a reproductive disadvantage when he actually does. So it seems logical this could lead to an attitude of, "I want what she has, but I don't want her to have it." Maybe that is why ambiguity here is so powerful on them!

Anyway, good stuff!

Phoenix
 

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What a great trip.

Seppukkus the man as per usual here.
 
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