Venue and shield levels

[Marty]

I feel like a dunce asking this question, but in the "New? Start Here" post, Chase says there are no stupid questions in the Beginners section, so here goes:

There are various references in the site to a woman's "shield" which suggest that in venues like bars and clubs, or the gym if they are dressed provocatively, women are sonewhat expecting to be hit on BUT their shield is up, while in the street, bookstores or grocery stores their shield is generally lower BUT they are not particularly expecting to be hit on. Fair observation.

My question is this: is there any location where women are expecting to be hit on AND their shield is down? Or are the two inversely correlated, perhaps with a view to prevent a bad mating decision?

 

[PrettyDecent]

Hey Marty,

Interesting spin on locations and women's reception! Though, any place where women know they will be hit on, they know they will have multiple choices, and it's exactly that sort of abundance mentality that raises "shields". A filtering mechanism, if I understand it correctly.

But I ask you to look meta-analytically for a second. Women view spontaneity as an attractive trait, and the preface to the direct opener is that you "just happened" to see her, and you had the manhood to approach her despite a non-social environment...spontaneously! There's just so much helping you in a street or grocery store that you can't emulate in a nightclub or bar or party.

Jake

 

[Richard]

The way I see it, the shields are the same as walls which contemporary thought has stated to be "a defense to keep it's builder in, and the builder's adversaries out." Shields, walls, whatever you want to call them,I along with a bunch of PUA see shields as opportunity.

A shield is nothing more than an obstacle, its designed to gauge how far someone is willing to go for that person.

Also, as you stated, the shield is used against the average Joe who hits on her, I don't know about you, but a compliment doesn't ever seem like hitting on anyone. Compliments, and light banter destroy shields, or allow you to prove yourself by scaling that wall, and bypassing those shields.

So basically, it shouldn't matter whether women are expecting to be hit on or not, either way it goes, you should be able to either; prove yourself, or bypass altogether.

-Hope this helped,
Richard

 

[Marty]

Thanks Jake for an imaginative response to a rather clumsy question. Thanks also Richard, this inspires me to "go around" rather than "climb over".

Jake, I totally agree with you. I haven't been at this long in any systematic way, but I've already more or less concluded that the "golden" arrangement seems to be: daytime cold approach (whether street or store); a direct opener; and selecting a lovely girl that you truly desire. Apart from anything else, even if you make no headway you come away from each encounter with a psychological "high"... a thrill, if you like. I read someone here describe it as "approach anticipation" (to replace approach anxiety).

As it happens I am not generally free in the evenings to go to bars or clubs as I have other responsibilities, but I'm not sure I'd want to even if I could. Precisely because the environment is a social one, there is pressure on both parties. The beauty of day game is the lack of social context and therefore lack of expectations on either side... expectations such as:

"Does he want to sleep with me?"
"Will she want a relationship?"
"Do I need to try to impress this person?" etc.

Daytime approach eliminates most or all of these.

Do you have any view on seated approach? I am struggling with that one a little bit. Example: girl sitting outdoors at a bench or table eating her lunch. Do you sit nearby and wait for an AI, or to hell with it and approach immediately?