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I see auto rejection,
but the auto rejection i see, is not like what you describe here. I get the message of this auto rejection experience, but it's different context compared to here, when she is not interested. And maybe we all need to be careful about this.
Zac
but the auto rejection i see, is not like what you describe here. I get the message of this auto rejection experience, but it's different context compared to here, when she is not interested. And maybe we all need to be careful about this.
Zac
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While I don't think the girl was good looking, this guy had very little game haha.
Asking her if she thinks he'd make a good boyfriend? (Early, large investment request, with the reigns given to her in conversation)
Trying to convince her that he is good boyfriend material? (Needy, telling not showing)
Initially digging in his heels with "I'm surprised, I never get that response"?
(Total fuckboy move, pretentious)
Then, breaking frame by saying he could change for her and what she wants?
(Incongruent, weak move).
Ya.. not good methods lol
I liked his glasses though.
Hue
Asking her if she thinks he'd make a good boyfriend? (Early, large investment request, with the reigns given to her in conversation)
Trying to convince her that he is good boyfriend material? (Needy, telling not showing)
Initially digging in his heels with "I'm surprised, I never get that response"?
(Total fuckboy move, pretentious)
Then, breaking frame by saying he could change for her and what she wants?
(Incongruent, weak move).
Ya.. not good methods lol
I liked his glasses though.
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Wasn't this rejection rather than auto rejection?
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Ree said:
this is rejection aka no challenge
ree, the guy is higher value than the girl in YOUR eyes. but in the girl's eyes, he is lower value.
here are some of the signs of this:
1. she is using pretentious vocal tones
2. she is saying things like, "none of your business"
3. he is qualifying himself to her
like zac was mentioning, there could be a little bit of auto rejection in there too. from a wider viewpoint, this is a dating show. she came on the show looking for something... and she cant access his value that the concept of a dating show typically promises
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i copypasted the acer test from chase,here it goes
How do you know where your attainability falls with any given girl? Use ACER. If a girl is:
Aloof +
Compliant -
Enthusiastic -
Rude +
... she's in auto-rejection or close to it, and you seem unattainable.
If she's:
Aloof -
Compliant -
Enthusiastic -
Rude -
... you're in "no challenge" land and in real danger of entering the friend zone.
If she's:
Aloof -
Compliant +
Enthusiastic +
Rude -
... you're exactly where you need to be with her, where she's neither aloof nor rude, but IS both compliant and enthusiastic about being with you and talking with you.
How do you know where your attainability falls with any given girl? Use ACER. If a girl is:
Aloof +
Compliant -
Enthusiastic -
Rude +
... she's in auto-rejection or close to it, and you seem unattainable.
If she's:
Aloof -
Compliant -
Enthusiastic -
Rude -
... you're in "no challenge" land and in real danger of entering the friend zone.
If she's:
Aloof -
Compliant +
Enthusiastic +
Rude -
... you're exactly where you need to be with her, where she's neither aloof nor rude, but IS both compliant and enthusiastic about being with you and talking with you.
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Ree,
While I like this test as a general rule of thumb in a lot of situations, don't you think scenarios can be more nuanced than that?
What if a girl at a club shuts down a guy harsh as fuck because he stuttered on his opener? That would almost certainly be a value issue, or too high attainability.
I think that it's important to consider how attainability can be closely intertwined with how much a girl feels like you understand and appreciate her. I would call that sort of thing (in isolation) a connection issue though.
It's a hard case to make that she sees this guy as high value. It's also a hard case to make she doesn't see him as attainable considering how he's literally saying he'll change himself, takes of his glasses, and is open to changing his speech in order to simply get a second date with her, while they're still on the first date lol.
However, I watched the video just below that and she pulls the exact same shit "that's none of your business, oh myself, look at your shoes blah blah blah" on another guy.
This bitch is annoying and pretentious. At the very least she puts on a facade to see how guys react. I wonder what would happen if some guy in this series autorejected her (but this is a dating show with her has the "prize", yeah fuckin right).
While I like this test as a general rule of thumb in a lot of situations, don't you think scenarios can be more nuanced than that?
What if a girl at a club shuts down a guy harsh as fuck because he stuttered on his opener? That would almost certainly be a value issue, or too high attainability.
I think that it's important to consider how attainability can be closely intertwined with how much a girl feels like you understand and appreciate her. I would call that sort of thing (in isolation) a connection issue though.
It's a hard case to make that she sees this guy as high value. It's also a hard case to make she doesn't see him as attainable considering how he's literally saying he'll change himself, takes of his glasses, and is open to changing his speech in order to simply get a second date with her, while they're still on the first date lol.
However, I watched the video just below that and she pulls the exact same shit "that's none of your business, oh myself, look at your shoes blah blah blah" on another guy.
This bitch is annoying and pretentious. At the very least she puts on a facade to see how guys react. I wonder what would happen if some guy in this series autorejected her (but this is a dating show with her has the "prize", yeah fuckin right).
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I have no idea what the show is about, but I came here basically to say what Hue and Fog already said.
Adding to that,
1. He is wearing glasses, instead of letting his eyes show until she brings it up
2. The girl resists all attempts, she even declines food
3. He is hung up on a single topic throughout the whole video, which is she is not impressed by him
4. His body language is getting more and more defensive as time passes, especially his facial expressions
5. Notice how his hands come up in between, he is creating a barrier
Now I do a lot of these myself, but easy to spot when others do it. Don't think it matters how attractive the girl is, the point is she is giving the guy shit and he is falling for it and basically crumbling before her.
Adding to that,
1. He is wearing glasses, instead of letting his eyes show until she brings it up
2. The girl resists all attempts, she even declines food
3. He is hung up on a single topic throughout the whole video, which is she is not impressed by him
4. His body language is getting more and more defensive as time passes, especially his facial expressions
5. Notice how his hands come up in between, he is creating a barrier
Now I do a lot of these myself, but easy to spot when others do it. Don't think it matters how attractive the girl is, the point is she is giving the guy shit and he is falling for it and basically crumbling before her.
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I wouldn't use "dating shows" as a clear example of anything happening in a video.
The added social/reputation pressure of being filmed and judged by potentially thousands of other people will affect a woman much more than it will affect a man. For all we know, she's acting high and mighty to potentially open herself up to thousands of other suitors who saw her pretend to be higher value than she actually was.
And yes, the guy was also attempting to qualify himself to her rather than having her qualify herself to him. That's straight out of the GC Tactics 101 Handbook.
I think there was nothing wrong with his look, in my opinion. He looked like a lover and acted like a needy beta -- it doesn't matter if you have the look of a sexy man if you don't act like one.
- Franco
The added social/reputation pressure of being filmed and judged by potentially thousands of other people will affect a woman much more than it will affect a man. For all we know, she's acting high and mighty to potentially open herself up to thousands of other suitors who saw her pretend to be higher value than she actually was.
And yes, the guy was also attempting to qualify himself to her rather than having her qualify herself to him. That's straight out of the GC Tactics 101 Handbook.
I think there was nothing wrong with his look, in my opinion. He looked like a lover and acted like a needy beta -- it doesn't matter if you have the look of a sexy man if you don't act like one.
- Franco