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Adam101 said:
and did you buy one or some of the GirlsChase products, read them, listened to them or did you gain and implement their knowledge into action just from reading the articles on the site?
and did you buy one or some of the GirlsChase products, read them, listened to them or did you gain and implement their knowledge into action just from reading the articles on the site?
This site (ted talks) is awesome and this short presentation about body language could help you on the road of sexiness and much more.
Body language shapes who you are
Body language shapes who you are
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Man-O said:
oh ok, so you didn't buy any of the products then, but seriously, when you say you have been picked up before, as in, a hot woman has approached you first before?
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The products I've bought are the conversation series, the monthly subscription and the Tinder system. I highly recommend all of these products plus the e-book "How to make girls chase". Reading this e-book really should be your first step IFIWMY. Whilst the same info is available in slightly more up-to-date form in the articles in the site, learning by reading articles is just not focused enough. The e-book presents the core concepts in a logical order and gives you a kind of overview, or framework/skeleton to hang your learning on, as the concepts become more fleshed out by reading the detailes articles on the site, watching the conversarion series, etc.
Although I normally save my Internet shopping budget for physical articles such as cologne, jewellery etc... the importance of having a solid foundarion of knowledge before you set out cannot be overemphasised. Accept that you will spend thousands, even tens of thousands, of dollars to become a master seducer... personal trainer fees... voice classes... boots, fashion, accessories... logistics... buying waters in clubs... even things like a good boot polish are expensive. So buying the e-book and the conversation series is not a big outlay in relative terms.
I would also say that your single most important fundamental is conversation. You can be fat, slobbishly dressed, not groomed, have sweaty body odour, broken, stained teeth, have terrible posture, be old and unattractive in every respect... and still get girls, attractive ones... by drawing them into your conversational web. Cos the trick is to create the right emotions in girls... cos once she is sharing she feels connected to you. And she feels important to you whwn you take a genuine interest in her and draw her out on the things she is passionate about.
TBH, IFIWMY, I notice that here on the boards you often seem to return the conversation to the things you are passionate (or can I say hung up) about, without really noticing or rewarding the contributions of others on the topics they are passionate about, and if you do this with girls it will sink your ship!
For instance I am passionate about the need for solid conversational skills as I've explained above, and have outlined some solid strategies (get the e-book, it will help you nail the nonverbals such as not leaning in while conversing, get the conversation series, and I think I recommended earlier to converse with register chicks, barista chicks etc whereever you go).
Because I'm only human I'd like to be thanked and asked further detailed questions about this thing I'm passionate about (regardless of how interested you truly are -- the point is the emotions you create in others by showing an interest and rewarding instead of dismissing / ignoring their value offering) yet I am fairly much certain it will fall on deaf ears... oh well I don't mean to criticize, except in a constructive sense...
Anyway, go meet some girls and practice your conversation
-Ray
Although I normally save my Internet shopping budget for physical articles such as cologne, jewellery etc... the importance of having a solid foundarion of knowledge before you set out cannot be overemphasised. Accept that you will spend thousands, even tens of thousands, of dollars to become a master seducer... personal trainer fees... voice classes... boots, fashion, accessories... logistics... buying waters in clubs... even things like a good boot polish are expensive. So buying the e-book and the conversation series is not a big outlay in relative terms.
I would also say that your single most important fundamental is conversation. You can be fat, slobbishly dressed, not groomed, have sweaty body odour, broken, stained teeth, have terrible posture, be old and unattractive in every respect... and still get girls, attractive ones... by drawing them into your conversational web. Cos the trick is to create the right emotions in girls... cos once she is sharing she feels connected to you. And she feels important to you whwn you take a genuine interest in her and draw her out on the things she is passionate about.
TBH, IFIWMY, I notice that here on the boards you often seem to return the conversation to the things you are passionate (or can I say hung up) about, without really noticing or rewarding the contributions of others on the topics they are passionate about, and if you do this with girls it will sink your ship!
For instance I am passionate about the need for solid conversational skills as I've explained above, and have outlined some solid strategies (get the e-book, it will help you nail the nonverbals such as not leaning in while conversing, get the conversation series, and I think I recommended earlier to converse with register chicks, barista chicks etc whereever you go).
Because I'm only human I'd like to be thanked and asked further detailed questions about this thing I'm passionate about (regardless of how interested you truly are -- the point is the emotions you create in others by showing an interest and rewarding instead of dismissing / ignoring their value offering) yet I am fairly much certain it will fall on deaf ears... oh well I don't mean to criticize, except in a constructive sense...
Anyway, go meet some girls and practice your conversation
-Ray
Ray has given a lot of excellent advice that you would be wise to take to heart.
The only thing I would add is that all of the products and reading in the world won't do you any good if you don't actually go out and practice. Having knowledge is one thing, applying is a whole other ball game. Experience is far and away the best teacher.
To answer your question though, the simple answer is yes, I have had several hot girls approach me. And just so we're clear "hot" does not mean a chick fresh off a porn set. Actually maybe someone reading this can give me some insight into what happened to me this weekend.
While I was out practicing my general bar / club game, I got approached a lot. I'd say close to 10 girls did over the course of 2 nights. All of them I found to be very good looking and they had strong initial responses to me. Thing is right as we'd start to get into it the boyfriend would rear their head and literally pull their girl away from me. Maybe they were free to flirt and I never had a shot to begin with, but I definitely appeared to be a serious girlfriend stealer over the weekend. Anyway, to keep it simple I seemed to keep attracting girls who were already with someone, and I'm not sure why that is.
It's certainly nice to be approached by a pretty girl, but ironically it's keeping me from working on doing actual approaching myself. I ignore my impulses too much and am too used to "magnetizing" people to me. So this coming week that's what I'm gonna try to work on. Guess the point here is we all have sticking points that we're trying to work through.
The only thing I would add is that all of the products and reading in the world won't do you any good if you don't actually go out and practice. Having knowledge is one thing, applying is a whole other ball game. Experience is far and away the best teacher.
To answer your question though, the simple answer is yes, I have had several hot girls approach me. And just so we're clear "hot" does not mean a chick fresh off a porn set. Actually maybe someone reading this can give me some insight into what happened to me this weekend.
While I was out practicing my general bar / club game, I got approached a lot. I'd say close to 10 girls did over the course of 2 nights. All of them I found to be very good looking and they had strong initial responses to me. Thing is right as we'd start to get into it the boyfriend would rear their head and literally pull their girl away from me. Maybe they were free to flirt and I never had a shot to begin with, but I definitely appeared to be a serious girlfriend stealer over the weekend. Anyway, to keep it simple I seemed to keep attracting girls who were already with someone, and I'm not sure why that is.
It's certainly nice to be approached by a pretty girl, but ironically it's keeping me from working on doing actual approaching myself. I ignore my impulses too much and am too used to "magnetizing" people to me. So this coming week that's what I'm gonna try to work on. Guess the point here is we all have sticking points that we're trying to work through.
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Adam,
For the life of me I can't remember the post that it was discussed in, but Chase mentioned how women who are in relationships are much more attracted and aggressive with single men that seem very high value, while single women tend to fawn over men who are already in relationships with high value women. In a sense, it's a form of pre-selection on both ends -- if a woman that is in a relationship sees a very sexy man getting attention from single women (and her man is starting to appear weak in one form or another, usually), then she's going to want to quickly assess her value compared to yours by throwing you aggressive indicators of interest. On the other hand, if a woman that is single sees a man in a relationship with a relatively attractive woman, she's going to assume that the guy must obviously be high value, and she wants to see if she can draw his interest.
You'll often find that the majority of women that have the balls to approach you are already in a relationship with another man -- which means they have nothing to lose if you completely toss them under the bus; they just run right back to their boyfriend and blow you off. However, if they asses your value as high, then they want to see if they can get you to chase them. Generally if the boyfriend is actually in the vicinity (meaning he actually came with her), then the girl is just looking for validation that she's still desired by other men. On the flip side, if the girl is in a relationship, but her boyfriend is out of town or not around, then she might approach you hoping that she can find a man that is truly better.
This is the general explanation for this. Feel free to search the articles on the main website to see if you can find Chase's post for more details, although I attempted to search myself and found it difficult to locate.
- Franco
For the life of me I can't remember the post that it was discussed in, but Chase mentioned how women who are in relationships are much more attracted and aggressive with single men that seem very high value, while single women tend to fawn over men who are already in relationships with high value women. In a sense, it's a form of pre-selection on both ends -- if a woman that is in a relationship sees a very sexy man getting attention from single women (and her man is starting to appear weak in one form or another, usually), then she's going to want to quickly assess her value compared to yours by throwing you aggressive indicators of interest. On the other hand, if a woman that is single sees a man in a relationship with a relatively attractive woman, she's going to assume that the guy must obviously be high value, and she wants to see if she can draw his interest.
You'll often find that the majority of women that have the balls to approach you are already in a relationship with another man -- which means they have nothing to lose if you completely toss them under the bus; they just run right back to their boyfriend and blow you off. However, if they asses your value as high, then they want to see if they can get you to chase them. Generally if the boyfriend is actually in the vicinity (meaning he actually came with her), then the girl is just looking for validation that she's still desired by other men. On the flip side, if the girl is in a relationship, but her boyfriend is out of town or not around, then she might approach you hoping that she can find a man that is truly better.
This is the general explanation for this. Feel free to search the articles on the main website to see if you can find Chase's post for more details, although I attempted to search myself and found it difficult to locate.
- Franco
Thank you Franco, your explanation makes a lot of sense. Too bad it means I never had a real shot with any of those girls and they wanted to use me to boost themselves up. But on the flip side it also sounds like it means that my fundamentals are pretty tight which is something I'll have to take to heart. Knowing that will help in being more willing to approach more often. Awesome insight as always.
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Adam101 said:
when you were going out and taking action OP to improve upon your approaches to women, did you take a note-book with you, or just write down in your notes at home to help you keep track of progress?
FIWMY, I am happy to answer your questions however since they are not related to any of the advice or subjects that have been posted here I ask that you PM me. If you are going to continue to post in this thread I kindly ask that it be in response to the content of the contributions myself and others have made so that we may further the discussion.
To answer your question though (the last one unless it is directly related to a post here), I have a notebook where I write about my encounters the day after when I've had some time to think and reflect on the events so I can analyze what went right VS wrong. However, I hired a sex therapist / life coach who has been nothing short of amazing for me. I break down my experiences with her and as a woman who "gets it" she doesn't feed me the conventional BS advice of society while also providing a first-hand female perspective of how I come across in different situations which has been invaluable. I will say that not all therapists are good at their job or the right fit for every client, but having an unorthodox professional female to go to has had a major hand in accelerating my progress and so if any beginners have the money to hire a good one I highly recommend it.
To answer your question though (the last one unless it is directly related to a post here), I have a notebook where I write about my encounters the day after when I've had some time to think and reflect on the events so I can analyze what went right VS wrong. However, I hired a sex therapist / life coach who has been nothing short of amazing for me. I break down my experiences with her and as a woman who "gets it" she doesn't feed me the conventional BS advice of society while also providing a first-hand female perspective of how I come across in different situations which has been invaluable. I will say that not all therapists are good at their job or the right fit for every client, but having an unorthodox professional female to go to has had a major hand in accelerating my progress and so if any beginners have the money to hire a good one I highly recommend it.
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Adam101 said:
i sent you a PM now
As i readed in the post
Stop Saying (and Doing) Things That Lose You Girls
https://www.girlschase.com/content/stop- ... -you-girls
And i thing this make sense.
So my question here even if you could have worked on all aspect of your pick up n what is the ones that made the real difference a took you to the next level with real results.The mechanical aspect of pick up, like process, simple dates, moving fast, path of least resistance, sex talk. OR the identity level , solid fundaments convying sexuality indrectly, vibing,etc..
Stop Saying (and Doing) Things That Lose You Girls
https://www.girlschase.com/content/stop- ... -you-girls
And i thing this make sense.
So my question here even if you could have worked on all aspect of your pick up n what is the ones that made the real difference a took you to the next level with real results.The mechanical aspect of pick up, like process, simple dates, moving fast, path of least resistance, sex talk. OR the identity level , solid fundaments convying sexuality indrectly, vibing,etc..
That's a difficult question to answer because there was no single aspect or even a handful of aspects that seemed to be a missing link in my game that suddenly shot me up once I figured it out. Everything is interrelated and it all works together. For example you need fundamentals to attract a girl, but if you can't talk to them you'll lose out anyway. And even when talking to a girl there's a way to go about it so that you end up with a potential date or lay instead of a friend or worse a number that never responds. My success is a culmination of lessons learned from many failures.
But to give some direction since I think that's what's you're looking for I'd say it's all about knowing what to focus on and when. Can't go out that night? Time to work on fundamentals. Girl is leaving as soon as you start a convo? Next time try moving her. Or analyze that convo to see where and how you can beef up those skills. It all comes down to troubleshooting what goes right VS what goes wrong and using the wrong to guide you into areas that need extra attention. After all we're all different and all have our own strengths and weaknesses.
But none of that matters if you don't get out there and do it. Having the courage to go out and just chat up girls and try new things is really the most important because that's how you will progress and really figure out where you're at. I mentioned this story in a post before, but I'll always remember the first blonde girl who I opened up with a compliment. I had never done it before and this chick was an absolute knock out. As intimidated as I was I still went up to her and said that I just had to tell her how stunning she was. The reaction I got was a mix of friendliness, warmth, and flattery. It made me feel amazing simply because it was proof that A. pretty girls are actually nice and not that scary and B. That I could actually pull all this pick up stuff off. Once you have that watershed moment where a little event proves to you that all of this stuff works but more importantly that you can do it, you'll soar as long as you keep at it and don't throw the towel in.
But to give some direction since I think that's what's you're looking for I'd say it's all about knowing what to focus on and when. Can't go out that night? Time to work on fundamentals. Girl is leaving as soon as you start a convo? Next time try moving her. Or analyze that convo to see where and how you can beef up those skills. It all comes down to troubleshooting what goes right VS what goes wrong and using the wrong to guide you into areas that need extra attention. After all we're all different and all have our own strengths and weaknesses.
But none of that matters if you don't get out there and do it. Having the courage to go out and just chat up girls and try new things is really the most important because that's how you will progress and really figure out where you're at. I mentioned this story in a post before, but I'll always remember the first blonde girl who I opened up with a compliment. I had never done it before and this chick was an absolute knock out. As intimidated as I was I still went up to her and said that I just had to tell her how stunning she was. The reaction I got was a mix of friendliness, warmth, and flattery. It made me feel amazing simply because it was proof that A. pretty girls are actually nice and not that scary and B. That I could actually pull all this pick up stuff off. Once you have that watershed moment where a little event proves to you that all of this stuff works but more importantly that you can do it, you'll soar as long as you keep at it and don't throw the towel in.
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ya it's just I want to have and plan a great strategy, game-plan out for me to be able to take action consistently the way you did OP, finally fixed your issues with attracting women, getting laid, etc.
Adam101 said:
With all these question, i think you are feeling like a celebrity!!
So to more accuarte question from me are:
1)What are the most important post your worked on.
2)The fundamentas you started with
3)How did you conveyed sexuality, diectly like alek and ricardus or in chase way?
4)Did you told the girls thta you are a virgin ou you just got wiht the flow and no need for explication ?
5)How did you get physical the firts time?
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well the slightly good news, although I feel it's still too early to say, I got a girls phone number in class(we take Biology 101) last week on Tuesday, she actually offered me her phone number first, as in I didn't even have to ask, even though I was the one who made the first move on her in terms of approaching her first, introducing myself to her first and talking to her for the first time, the semester started on January 20th so that is when I started talking to her, I do know that she is single because on class that day, she asked me first how was my weekend, so I told her how mine was, then I said to her "so what did your boyfriend do for you on Valentines Day?" and then looked back at me and smiled saying "I don't have one", that was my way of subtly asking her if she is single, so after class, she said to me "you want to study together sometime?", of course I accept, I said sure, I meant it. I didn't text her for the first time until the following day, so it's not like we both exchanged numbers on the same day, I chose to wait a full day to text her so I don't come across as needy or desperate. On Thursday, since the class meets twice a week Tues-Thurs, after class that's when I asked her what she was doing tomorrow, Friday, this one I don't really count as a flake because she did say she had to babysit her nephew, go with her parents about getting her car fixed, so she said about us texting in the morning to plan something out in a wishy-washy sort of tone, so I texted her that morning saying if she was down to meet at 3pm, I texted her like around 9am, saying Hey (her name) does meeting at Starbucks like around 3pm work for you?, she didn't respond until 1pm by saying "Hey sorry been babysitting all morning. Don't think I can today, forgot I have history homework due today. So then I text her to reschedule for Sunday at 2pm, she responds by saying "yea should be fine", I then text back by saying "Awesome see you then!" with a smiley face.
Fast forward to today, like 1 hour before 2pm which is what we were scheduled to do, i send her a quick text saying "I'll be taking off in 20 minutes to head over there", she responds back 2 minutes later saying "Hey I have an essay due by midnight for political science and i work tonight at 5:10. I don't think i'll have time to study for Bio today, i'm sorry. Are you free Tuesday? before the exam we can test each other."
Should I ditch her, "next" her? is it common for girls to lose interest fast, one day they are into you and another day they change their mind about you?
", I then text back by saying "Awesome see you then!" with a smiley face.Fast forward to today, like 1 hour before 2pm which is what we were scheduled to do, i send her a quick text saying "I'll be taking off in 20 minutes to head over there", she responds back 2 minutes later saying "Hey I have an essay due by midnight for political science and i work tonight at 5:10. I don't think i'll have time to study for Bio today, i'm sorry. Are you free Tuesday? before the exam we can test each other."
Should I ditch her, "next" her? is it common for girls to lose interest fast, one day they are into you and another day they change their mind about you?
Sorry Witcher, I know this isn't a very timely post but it's been a while since I've been able to read through the forums. Anyway here are my answers to your questions.
1. I think you are asking about articles here. The light bulb for me was Chase's article on male bitterness and depression. Described me to a T, reasoning and all and Chase was the first guy who could identify the causes. I chalked up my issues to women being shitty creatures and somehow not warranting their attention despite doing everything I could to be attractive (by society's standards) and listening to women tell me what they wanted in a man...big mistake IE "I want a nice guy." Also any articles on approaching which when pooled together really showed me how to assert my personal power as a man. Seduction was a whole new world and when reading things about day game and how approaching works my reactions were along the lines of "Holy crap! You can do that?! That works?!" But truthfully I was so in the dark about women that all of GirlsChase essential reads were beneficial. I probably spent at least a month just reading articles in my spare time before I started taking action.
2. The two fundamentals I started with were better shape and fashion. Main reason being those two were the most immediate fixes I could make. If I want a woman who takes care of herself physically then I should do the same, and women value fashionable men. From there the main things I've had to and still work on are open, masculine body language and posture. From everything I've absorbed, game will always trounce fundamentals, however the better the fundamentals are the more likely a woman will hang in there a bit and give you a bigger window for screwing up. And considering what little tolerance women have for any mistakes made in gaming, every bit helps.
3. It depended on the situation. Problem is I'm a very polarizing person. People either really like me or really don't. So it would either be direct nos or my hands are already getting free access to a girl's curves on the dance floor. But usually extended eye contact and letting hands wander without going quite where they want to (IE back to waist and no further). Then there's that bit from the movie Hitch about going 90% of the way for a kiss and letting a girl come the other 10. I would do that by employing a little nose nuzzle. Once again though this is all dance floor game. With that in mind it's all pretty direct. Although the night I first got laid I used a little dirty talk which went a long way. Since effective dirty talk is about creating an image that women can interpret, I guess you could argue that this is indirect.
4. I just went with the flow...until I couldn't unfasten her bra. Like I said above I believe, perhaps mistakenly, that women have little to no tolerance for men who can't execute damn near flawlessly. So when I was having trouble I got nervous for a moment and rather than continue to fumble I just came out with it and was honest. Luckily for me she couldn't tell (after all I just picked her up) and she didn't care.
5. I don't have a lot of experience with escalation because like I said, girls either really like me or really don't. So when a girl likes me it becomes kind of open season for me to touch them and get physical. But as far as I can tell it's something that just happens, 0 - 100 in a second, so I have no process I can share. In this case I'm guessing the how just comes down to vibe and fundamentals.
1. I think you are asking about articles here. The light bulb for me was Chase's article on male bitterness and depression. Described me to a T, reasoning and all and Chase was the first guy who could identify the causes. I chalked up my issues to women being shitty creatures and somehow not warranting their attention despite doing everything I could to be attractive (by society's standards) and listening to women tell me what they wanted in a man...big mistake IE "I want a nice guy." Also any articles on approaching which when pooled together really showed me how to assert my personal power as a man. Seduction was a whole new world and when reading things about day game and how approaching works my reactions were along the lines of "Holy crap! You can do that?! That works?!" But truthfully I was so in the dark about women that all of GirlsChase essential reads were beneficial. I probably spent at least a month just reading articles in my spare time before I started taking action.
2. The two fundamentals I started with were better shape and fashion. Main reason being those two were the most immediate fixes I could make. If I want a woman who takes care of herself physically then I should do the same, and women value fashionable men. From there the main things I've had to and still work on are open, masculine body language and posture. From everything I've absorbed, game will always trounce fundamentals, however the better the fundamentals are the more likely a woman will hang in there a bit and give you a bigger window for screwing up. And considering what little tolerance women have for any mistakes made in gaming, every bit helps.
3. It depended on the situation. Problem is I'm a very polarizing person. People either really like me or really don't. So it would either be direct nos or my hands are already getting free access to a girl's curves on the dance floor. But usually extended eye contact and letting hands wander without going quite where they want to (IE back to waist and no further). Then there's that bit from the movie Hitch about going 90% of the way for a kiss and letting a girl come the other 10. I would do that by employing a little nose nuzzle. Once again though this is all dance floor game. With that in mind it's all pretty direct. Although the night I first got laid I used a little dirty talk which went a long way. Since effective dirty talk is about creating an image that women can interpret, I guess you could argue that this is indirect.
4. I just went with the flow...until I couldn't unfasten her bra. Like I said above I believe, perhaps mistakenly, that women have little to no tolerance for men who can't execute damn near flawlessly. So when I was having trouble I got nervous for a moment and rather than continue to fumble I just came out with it and was honest. Luckily for me she couldn't tell (after all I just picked her up) and she didn't care.
5. I don't have a lot of experience with escalation because like I said, girls either really like me or really don't. So when a girl likes me it becomes kind of open season for me to touch them and get physical. But as far as I can tell it's something that just happens, 0 - 100 in a second, so I have no process I can share. In this case I'm guessing the how just comes down to vibe and fundamentals.
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I need to stop feeling bitter over my past
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FeelIWastedMyYouth,
I want to see you succeed, so I'm going to say something on my mind.
This may sound trivial but your username embraces that bitterness.
NLP is a fascinating subject. The power of words and reframing over the mind is quite profound.
Having an empowering username to identify with, rather than one connected to a hurtful past, may be a step in the right direction and a way to let go.
Imagine having an inspirational name like EndlessPotential.
Or a lame/funny one like TheSperminator or DickOfDivinity
Or something that resonates with you in a strong positive way.
I encourage you to make this small change, but understand the implication and that it applys to much more than just a name.
Franco can help you with a name change. Just shoot him a message. No pressure, you're free to do what you want, but I highly recommend considering the things said here.
FeelIWastedMyYouth said:
I want to see you succeed, so I'm going to say something on my mind.
This may sound trivial but your username embraces that bitterness.
NLP is a fascinating subject. The power of words and reframing over the mind is quite profound.
Having an empowering username to identify with, rather than one connected to a hurtful past, may be a step in the right direction and a way to let go.
Imagine having an inspirational name like EndlessPotential.
Or a lame/funny one like TheSperminator or DickOfDivinity
Or something that resonates with you in a strong positive way.
I encourage you to make this small change, but understand the implication and that it applys to much more than just a name.
Franco can help you with a name change. Just shoot him a message. No pressure, you're free to do what you want, but I highly recommend considering the things said here.
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it's still early in this year, as in, barely gonna be entering the 4th month of 2015, if a guy starts being a committed action-taker, goes out a lot, practices a lot with cold approach, can he get results with girls before the end of the year?
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Sure. I started aggressively reading GirlsChase and going out to meet women in June of 2012. I had my first lay using the material that September. So it's definitely possible.
That being said, I was not a virgin at the time, and I had pretty solid social skills (with both men and women), so my learning curve was probably much shorter than the average person who comes here. But if you put in the effort, you can certainly be getting results with women within a few months. Of course, that also depends on if you're keeping track of where your mistakes are happening and then quickly working to improve upon them so you can continue to make progress.
- Franco