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Met this girl at a latin dance event a couple of days ago, had a few dances and lots of fun. She asked for my name after the first dance. We don't talk much but in the brief exchanges on the floor I learn that she's local but moved overseas a couple of years ago and is just back for a month for family and friends. As the event ends it turns out she was an acquaintence of a friend and she catches a ride back from this friend. I considered asking for her contact but held back out of respect for the friend (didn't want to jump the gun without first figuring out the situation with the friend).

Bump into her a couple of days later at another event and of course had more fun again. She left early this time but before she left she asked to exchange contacts with the excuse of "me and friend wanted to check out an event at another place some other time and it's more fun to go together". Anyway she suggested IG (I presume for stalking purposes) but only gave me a "burner" dance account and not the private personal one (trying not to read too much into it as it could just be a form of contact).

Anyway that night I message her with some suggestions on where to go and she said she'd be up for one of the suggestions a couple of days later. We chat a bit before saying goodnight. I fight the urge not to message her again until the event. She messages on the day itself and says that she's going to be there. She does indeed show up and she smells super good. I move her to another event and she obliges. After that ends we get food where I finally got my chance to isolate her.

Over food I learn a lot about her background, her motivation for moving overseas and her thoughts on life in general. She mentioned she has a partner back overseas and he's a lot older than her and started off as her dance instructor (of course). I considered making a move but she seems to have strong feelings about her partner. Anyway the night ends and we part ways. She tries to flag a cab but none shows for awhile (not sure if she was trying to create an opportunity for me to send her home). I ask for her address with the intention of dropping her home. She gives it but seems to be on the fence on whether she wants a ride home (trying not to read too much into this as she's staying with parents while visiting so probably nothing would come out of it) so I don't push for it. She ends up getting an uber and we hug goodbye.

Maybe she was a little disappointed with how the night ended because she hasn't messaged since. Just putting this out there wondering if I have read too much into this situation? Obviously nothing long term would come out of this but wouldn't mind a couple of weeks of fun.
 
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Yes probably she was thinking of doing something with you.

You can't really know what a girl wants until you make moves, that goes for whether she's got someone else going on or not. You have to approach, you have to set up the date, you have to sexualize and escalate and pull. She will either accept, object, or reject each step. But you have to make those moves first, if you don't then nobody will ever know what she was thinking (maybe not even herself).

Seduction is not about about having perfect knowledge, it's trial and error driven by self expression.
 

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Is it a lost cause now? Or can I still squeeze something out of it?

Hard to say, at this point she knows that you know she's got another dude. Also, if she realized that she was thinking of doing something with you she may well have closed and locked that door to absolve herself.

But again, you are looking for knowledge where there is none. Is she refusing to respond to your messages? If so, it's pretty much cooked. If not, then you just stay chill, build up a bit more on text or at the dances, and proceed toward another date. You'll find out pretty soon where her head is at.

Any desperation or chasing though is going to finish off any chances real quick.
 

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Hard to say, at this point she knows that you know she's got another dude. Also, if she realized that she was thinking of doing something with you she may well have closed and locked that door to absolve herself.

But again, you are looking for knowledge where there is none. Is she refusing to respond to your messages? If so, it's pretty much cooked. If not, then you just stay chill, build up a bit more on text or at the dances, and proceed toward another date. You'll find out pretty soon where her head is at.

Any desperation or chasing though is going to finish off any chances real quick.
I haven't messaged and she hasn't either since we parted ways a couple of nights ago. There was another event that she expressed interest in that I could "accidentally bump into her" but I have other plans for that night. I do want to suggest something else but not sure if bumping the convo from my end would come across as desperate.
 

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I haven't messaged and she hasn't either since we parted ways a couple of nights ago. There was another event that she expressed interest in that I could "accidentally bump into her" but I have other plans for that night. I do want to suggest something else but not sure if bumping the convo from my end would come across as desperate.

Not at all, you should have messaged her anyway after the date to make sure she got home safe, or just to tease/banter. She's not going to be the one hitting you up for another date even if she wants one.
 

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Anyway she suggested IG (I presume for stalking purposes) but only gave me a "burner" dance account and not the private personal one (trying not to read too much into it as it could just be a form of contact).
Strong clue that she wants a quick and discreet fling that won't follow her home
She does indeed show up and she smells super good. I move her to another event and she obliges. After that ends we get food where I finally got my chance to isolate her.

Over food I learn a lot about her background, her motivation for moving overseas and her thoughts on life in general. She mentioned she has a partner back overseas and he's a lot older than her and started off as her dance instructor (of course). I considered making a move but she seems to have strong feelings about her partner. Anyway the night ends and we part ways. She tries to flag a cab but none shows for awhile (not sure if she was trying to create an opportunity for me to send her home). I ask for her address with the intention of dropping her home. She gives it but seems to be on the fence on whether she wants a ride home (trying not to read too much into this as she's staying with parents while visiting so probably nothing would come out of it) so I don't push for it. She ends up getting an uber and we hug goodbye.
Unfortunately, this was a great window you missed :(
When in doubt, be decisive and lead.
"Forget the cab, I'm gonna take you home" and lead her straight to your car.
Ignore any objections, just keep going and leading her to where you want.
Maybe she was a little disappointed with how the night ended because she hasn't messaged since. Just putting this out there wondering if I have read too much into this situation? Obviously nothing long term would come out of this but wouldn't mind a couple of weeks of fun.
Get her to another date with the clear intention of ending the night in bed:
"I like the good vibes we have together!
Let's meet again at Xs
(suggest a nice coffee or deli)
They have the most amazing iced tea!!!"

If she accepts, be very straight forward: start sex talk, kino her and be prepared with counter gambits to her resistance to cheat on her man.
To me this lay is still up in the air.
Just gotta grab it with both hands!
 

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Not at all, you should have messaged her anyway after the date to make sure she got home safe, or just to tease/banter. She's not going to be the one hitting you up for another date even if she wants one.
She's been hitting me up not for dates but just for more dancing. I think I've been put in the dance friendzone. She asked me out to a dance social the other night which I counterpropositioned with another more chill/casual activity and she rejected it. Not quite sure how to play this now.
Get her to another date with the clear intention of ending the night in bed:
"I like the good vibes we have together!
Let's meet again at Xs
(suggest a nice coffee or deli)
They have the most amazing iced tea!!!"

If she accepts, be very straight forward: start sex talk, kino her and be prepared with counter gambits to her resistance to cheat on her man.
To me this lay is still up in the air.
Just gotta grab it with both hands!
She has been turning down casual stuff and only seems to be responsive if we go dancing. I'm thinking of flat out asking her if she's in some sort of open arrangement. as they usually are in Europe. and spinning it as I've felt like she's physically interested in me but I don't want to mess around with people in happy relationships. Not sure if it's a bad idea?
 

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She's been hitting me up not for dates but just for more dancing. I think I've been put in the dance friendzone. She asked me out to a dance social the other night which I counterpropositioned with another more chill/casual activity and she rejected it. Not quite sure how to play this now.

Tease her, flirt with her a little when you see her, work her up a bit, dance with other girls and then smile at her, etc and don't chase.

When the excitement is low, you have to fuel the fire, make her want you more. She has to be thinking about you and wanting you to make another move.

She has been turning down casual stuff and only seems to be responsive if we go dancing. I'm thinking of flat out asking her if she's in some sort of open arrangement. as they usually are in Europe. and spinning it as I've felt like she's physically interested in me but I don't want to mess around with people in happy relationships. Not sure if it's a bad idea?

It's a very bad idea imo. When girls pull back you NEVER get all logical and negotiating like that like a customer, it's the ultimate chase frame that will kill all attraction. She's not feeling it rn, so you have to make her feel it all over again.
 

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She mentioned she has a partner back overseas and he's a lot older than her and started off as her dance instructor
This tells you that you're not in the potenital Boyfriend box. Therefore you are either in the Friend Zone or a potential Lover.
 
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