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Hey fellas,
The mods and I had a chat about whether we want to permit guys to start threads on here talking about red pill / manosphere / incel / MGTOW / etc. subjects.
If you're just tuning in to that, that includes things like:
And so on and so forth.
Now, here's the challenge: banning red pill man-stuff is not like banning religion or politics. Nobody is going to come on here and say, "Ha, see! You guys are full of it! If you weren't, you'd have no problem talking about post-natal abortion and systemic racism against Bangladeshis in Pakistan! This seduction stuff is bunk!"
Red pill ideology presents itself as, at times, side-by-side with pickup/seduction, other times as opposed to it. And when something opposes something else, it typically tries to frame itself as "correct" and the other side as "incorrect."
Over the years, we have had guys find Girls Chase, then find the red pill manosphere. Many of them come back here and decide that place is too dark and not accurate enough in its views. Some of them realize they were looking for the red pill manosphere all along. Some of those come back here and try to convert us, or talk about how we are "blue pill" or "purple pill."
If that's you, let me be frank:
To understand the red pill evolution process, you should read this article:
www.girlschase.com
Now.
This forum is not a red pill therapy forum.
It is not really a place to help guys get through the doubts and cynicism they feel when they discover red pill skepticism, and they feel the shatterings of their old blue pill naïveté.
That stings, I know.
But while red pill guys are closer to the truth than blue pill guys are, they are STILL not fully evolved in their way of seeing things or dealing with them.
And just like we do not want to be debating "Here's why you have to wait three dates before you have sex" or "This is why girls really do go for nice guys in the end" on here, we also do not want to be debating "Here's why monogamy can never really work" or "Here's why women are incapable of real love or loyalty."
If you want our answers on any of those questions, they have all been extensively addressed on Girls Chase. Here's a partial list:
www.girlschase.com
www.girlschase.com
www.girlschase.com
www.girlschase.com
www.girlschase.com
www.girlschase.com
www.girlschase.com
www.girlschase.com
www.girlschase.com
www.skilledseducer.com
www.girlschase.com
www.girlschase.com
www.girlschase.com
www.girlschase.com
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Probably let's not forget the two that trigger every manosphere guy for some reason (they can't call these articles "blue pill"; they just get upset instead. Too much cognitive dissonance):
www.girlschase.com
www.girlschase.com
If you're a red pill guy looking for some genuine advice on actual-potential scary situations that are commonly discussed in the red pill / manosphere community, see these articles, where I have both more and broader experience, better citations, and better recommendations I think than any red pill / manosphere article I've seen on the topics:
www.girlschase.com
www.girlschase.com
www.girlschase.com
www.girlschase.com
So that's the master list of all red pill-related stuff I can think of off the top of my head.
And this is the one thread we're going to have on red pill / manosphere stuff on here, from here on out, unless there are some extreme extenuating circumstances or there is some extremely fascinating, relevant topic from that area that guys just need to talk about to digest and we don't have an article up on.
We don't want guys bringing up this red pill, incel, MGTOW, manosphere, etc. stuff on here.
It is really tangential to the mission here.
The mission here is not to debate the merits of women. If you're unsure about that, go reread all those articles. If you're still unsure, then a seduction forum is not the right place for you right now.
The mission here is also not for us to rag on the red pill guys and talk about how we are superior. Those guys are going through a phase, they are still seeing the world in extremes, and they are moving to a more nuanced view. Not everybody comes from a background where he grows up aware of the stuff that these guys are sheltered from and don't find out about until later in life; there are guys who are not exposed to a lot of this, at all, or even are actively led to believe the opposite, and when they find it out their minds explode, their whole worlds are a lie, and they are confused and angry. They gravitate naturally to red pill. Or you may have followed that trajectory yourself -- in which case, you ought to be able to look back and remember when you went through it, and commiserate.
These are not bad guys. They're just guys who were lied to, and their worlds have fallen down around them, and they're hurt.
So, I don't want to beat up on these guys. But neither is this place a therapy forum for guys to work through their red pill issues.
Read the articles above. Or don't, if this isn't the right place for you now.
But we will close red pill / manosphere threads if we see them, unless they are super relevant or something.
We're not going to ban a guy for posting this stuff, unless it's excessive (at the time of this writing, the last time I banned a guy for excessive red pill stuff was half a decade ago. It's really not a huge problem).
We will close those threads though.
The point of this forum is to GET girls.
That is what it's about.
Chase
The mods and I had a chat about whether we want to permit guys to start threads on here talking about red pill / manosphere / incel / MGTOW / etc. subjects.
If you're just tuning in to that, that includes things like:
- AWALT/NAWALT
- Hypergamy
- The alpha/beta dichotomy
- Blue/red/purple/white/black/azure/whatever pill
- "Are all women bitter?"
- "Are all women evil?"
- "Are all women manipulators?"
- "Are all women totally heartless/soulless?"
And so on and so forth.
Now, here's the challenge: banning red pill man-stuff is not like banning religion or politics. Nobody is going to come on here and say, "Ha, see! You guys are full of it! If you weren't, you'd have no problem talking about post-natal abortion and systemic racism against Bangladeshis in Pakistan! This seduction stuff is bunk!"
Red pill ideology presents itself as, at times, side-by-side with pickup/seduction, other times as opposed to it. And when something opposes something else, it typically tries to frame itself as "correct" and the other side as "incorrect."
Over the years, we have had guys find Girls Chase, then find the red pill manosphere. Many of them come back here and decide that place is too dark and not accurate enough in its views. Some of them realize they were looking for the red pill manosphere all along. Some of those come back here and try to convert us, or talk about how we are "blue pill" or "purple pill."
If that's you, let me be frank:
- All the manosphere stuff you are just reading and finding out about now I read years ago
- Further, all this stuff you are consuming that is OPENING YOUR EYES I knew about as a kid
- Not every guy is raised as a clueless "blue pill" nice guy chump. Some of us actually had cool dads, player uncles, weren't raised by single mothers, and went to schools that didn't indoctrinate us with de-masculinizing claptrap
- While you think you are discovering ULTIMATE TRUTH in the red pill / manosphere stuff, the actual fact is you have found one stepping stone in the pond. The normal path from "clueless blue pill simp" to "enlightened man who truly, deeply, and uncynically understands" is to go from one extreme (the "blue pill" trusting, naïve optimism), to the opposite extreme (the "red pill" burned, cynical realism), until settling upon a nuanced view of reality (the seeing, understanding, accepting enlightened man). The mission of this site (one of its core missions) is to shunt men past/through the cynical red pill phase directly to the chilled out enlightened man phase as seamlessly and rapidly as possible. Because a LOT of guys get stuck in the red pill phase and think that's all there is. And most of these guys are not often the happiest, not often the most pleasant people, and often not able to be nearly as productive or triumphant in their lives as they could be by harnessing understanding without cynicism
To understand the red pill evolution process, you should read this article:
Don’t Talk About Fight Club and Take the Red Pill
An interesting thread, I noticed, had popped up on our discussion boards the other day, with guys hashing around about the “manosphere” and its various merits or drawbacks. There were some comments about how a guy started out here on GC but went over to the “manosphere” because it suited him...
www.girlschase.com
Now.
This forum is not a red pill therapy forum.
It is not really a place to help guys get through the doubts and cynicism they feel when they discover red pill skepticism, and they feel the shatterings of their old blue pill naïveté.
That stings, I know.
But while red pill guys are closer to the truth than blue pill guys are, they are STILL not fully evolved in their way of seeing things or dealing with them.
And just like we do not want to be debating "Here's why you have to wait three dates before you have sex" or "This is why girls really do go for nice guys in the end" on here, we also do not want to be debating "Here's why monogamy can never really work" or "Here's why women are incapable of real love or loyalty."
If you want our answers on any of those questions, they have all been extensively addressed on Girls Chase. Here's a partial list:
How to Be an Alpha Male -- Without Becoming a Stereotype
If there's one pet peeve I have right now, it's the current way being an "alpha male" is talked about in most pick up and dating circles. I've gotten to the point personally where I cringe every time I hear some guy talking about "being alpha." But I don't want to go on an anti-alpha tirade...
www.girlschase.com
Bitter Women: No, They Are Not “Everywhere”
Lately, the team and I have found ourselves moderating a lot more negative comments on the site than usual. Some of these are from people who believe that seduction is wrong, but a growing number are from people who believe that it's impossible for men to learn how to get women because all women...
www.girlschase.com
“I Can’t Get Girls Because Girls Only Want [BLANK]”
Four friends gathered together at a bar for a drink after work. As they sipped down their beers, the conversation drifted to talk of women... and their myriad troubles with them. “I can’t get girls, bros,” sighed the good-looking man forlornly. “And it’s because – of course! – they only want to...
www.girlschase.com
Why You Never Hear from “Alpha Providers” in the Manosphere
Why do you never hear from what the Internet’s dubbed ‘alpha providers’ – men who keep the pants on in their relationships, even over the long-term? The morose tales of men who have become ‘beta providers’, who have gone through the ‘betaization process’... men who’ve lost the drive, strength...
www.girlschase.com
Are All Women Slaves to Hypergamy?
Hypergamy is her tendency to date or marry ‘up’. She wants the best, richest, highest status guy she can get, they say. But science disagrees. One of the memes of the manosphere is that the women of Western society are ardently in pursuit of the wealthiest, highest status man they can get. The...
www.girlschase.com
A Few Thoughts on MGTOW: Men Going Their Own Ways
What is the MGTOW movement all about? Do MGTOWs reject women, love, sex, and society? Or is the phenomenon about something else...? On my article “Quit Letting Girls Off the Hook So Much”, Jimbo asks for my take on the MGTOW movement: “That whole MGTOW movement. It seems to have gained steam...
www.girlschase.com
Are Women Chronic Liars?
Women and lying go together like ice cream and sprinkles. But do women chronically lie? Can they not tell the truth – or do they do so strategically? “I’m going to the bathroom. I’ll be right back.” – Doesn’t come back. “I’ll let you know when I’m free.” – Never texts you. “I will love you...
www.girlschase.com
“Women are Evil”
Tests, complaints, difficulty, and betrayal. It’s easy to see why some men think women are evil. But is what they do the product of villainy? This is a sentiment we’ve seen various commenters, forum members, and passersby express over the years. That “women are evil”. They are bad, devious...
www.girlschase.com
Why Can't You Find a Loyal Woman?
To men, women can seem disloyal… Or at least, not nearly as loyal as men. What’s it take to find a loyal lady anyway? One of the most discombobulating romantic statements I hear from men goes like this: “I just want to find a girl that’s loyal.” It’s not discombobulating because women can’t be...
www.girlschase.com
Yes, Monogamy Works
Hey there, My name's Chase Amante, and I'm 31 years old. I've kind of been in and out of marriage throughout my twenties but that's complicated and I won't go there. Suffice it to say I do pretty well with my dream girls but I have a hard time actually settling down... it's never the girls'...
www.skilledseducer.com
The Beauty, Greatness, and Goodness of Female Moral Nature
Female morality can seem alien to men – and men fear what they do not understand. Yet the moral woman can be man’s greatest lover and supporter… if he is willing to be a moral man. Note: this article is part of a discussion on female morality among experts who view the subject through different...
www.girlschase.com
Harvey Weinstein, Gropocalypse, and the #MeToo Campaign
The roiling Harvey Weinstein Hollywood sex scandal was caused by a unique mix of perversion, sexual power dynamics, and the twilight of feminism. In late 2017, The New York Times broke a story on Harvey Weinstein paying off sexual harassment accusers. A few choice excerpts: Contents 1. How...
www.girlschase.com
"Girls Only Want Good-Looking Guys or Young Guys"
The most attractive thing to women is neither youth nor beauty. So why do so many guys think girls only want good-looking guys or young guys? Okay, I want to talk about the “girls only date good-looking guys” or “girls only date young guys” thing. I have more intellectual articles against these...
www.girlschase.com
Why Men Lose Women: It's Not Hypergamy – It's Something Else
Many men think women leave them for a Bigger, Better Deal: a richer guy, a better-looking guy, a higher status guy. But hypergamy is not why men lose women. Instead, it's something else. The other day, a friend shared a YouTube video with me from a guy on a channel called Entrepreneurs with...
www.girlschase.com
Do Bad Evil Seducer Men Corrupt Innocent Women?
Was your pure princess corrupted by a dirty playboy? Does it really even work that way? We explore whether women are innocent doves, ruined by filthy, devilish men. I've been meaning to write this article for a bit, and we just got another one of these comments. The comment was on my article...
www.girlschase.com
Do Not Compare Yourself to Women
"Women have it easier." Well sure, in many ways they do. But YOU are not in competition with women. There is a thing I have seen online (not so much in real life, but perhaps I'm not socializing with the right guys for it in real life) where guys complain about how easy women have it or how much...
www.girlschase.com
Probably let's not forget the two that trigger every manosphere guy for some reason (they can't call these articles "blue pill"; they just get upset instead. Too much cognitive dissonance):
The Sad Tale of "Shopping Guy"
In this post, I'd like to share with you a cautionary tale. I'd like to tell you the story of a man named Shopping Guy. Shopping Guy isn't really his name. His family and his friends call him something else, no doubt; something closer to an actual name and less of a label. But I know him only as...
www.girlschase.com
Girls: Silly and Cute
Don’t forward this post to any feminists. There’s a lot of animosity among men in the West toward women these days, and a lot of it, I’m quite sure, ties back to the efforts women have made to change their image. Fifty years ago in America, if you watch old television shows, women are quite...
www.girlschase.com
If you're a red pill guy looking for some genuine advice on actual-potential scary situations that are commonly discussed in the red pill / manosphere community, see these articles, where I have both more and broader experience, better citations, and better recommendations I think than any red pill / manosphere article I've seen on the topics:
How to Avoid and Deal with False Rape Accusations
So you met a girl at a party. Both of you had been drinking, but not so much that either of you was stumbling around, slurring your speech, or anything. The attraction between the two of you was palpable; sparks flew through the air like electric currents, and one thing very quickly led to...
www.girlschase.com
10 Steps to Not Get Raped in Your Divorce
When a marriage crumbles, men fast learn the system is stacked against them. But divorce rape is not inevitable; you can beat the system. Tom and Beth loved each other. They married with nothing but the purest intentions of love and commitment. Divorce was the farthest thing from either of their...
www.girlschase.com
What to Do When She Tells You She’s Pregnant
Few things carry as much of that ‘punch in the gut’ feeling as having a girl you’re seeing tell you she’s pregnant. Unless you’re married and trying for children, hearing she has a bun in the oven is one of those shocks you never fully expect, and even if some part of you might’ve liked the idea...
www.girlschase.com
How to Survive in a Time of Moral Panic
In a moral panic, no one is safe. Neighbors turn on neighbors, and opportunists use the panic to advance their careers. To survive the hysteria, you must be smart. Last week I wrote an article titled “When Does ‘No’ Actually Mean ‘No’?” to help you stay smart and safe without having to hole up...
www.girlschase.com
So that's the master list of all red pill-related stuff I can think of off the top of my head.
And this is the one thread we're going to have on red pill / manosphere stuff on here, from here on out, unless there are some extreme extenuating circumstances or there is some extremely fascinating, relevant topic from that area that guys just need to talk about to digest and we don't have an article up on.
We don't want guys bringing up this red pill, incel, MGTOW, manosphere, etc. stuff on here.
It is really tangential to the mission here.
The mission here is not to debate the merits of women. If you're unsure about that, go reread all those articles. If you're still unsure, then a seduction forum is not the right place for you right now.
The mission here is also not for us to rag on the red pill guys and talk about how we are superior. Those guys are going through a phase, they are still seeing the world in extremes, and they are moving to a more nuanced view. Not everybody comes from a background where he grows up aware of the stuff that these guys are sheltered from and don't find out about until later in life; there are guys who are not exposed to a lot of this, at all, or even are actively led to believe the opposite, and when they find it out their minds explode, their whole worlds are a lie, and they are confused and angry. They gravitate naturally to red pill. Or you may have followed that trajectory yourself -- in which case, you ought to be able to look back and remember when you went through it, and commiserate.
These are not bad guys. They're just guys who were lied to, and their worlds have fallen down around them, and they're hurt.
So, I don't want to beat up on these guys. But neither is this place a therapy forum for guys to work through their red pill issues.
Read the articles above. Or don't, if this isn't the right place for you now.
But we will close red pill / manosphere threads if we see them, unless they are super relevant or something.
We're not going to ban a guy for posting this stuff, unless it's excessive (at the time of this writing, the last time I banned a guy for excessive red pill stuff was half a decade ago. It's really not a huge problem).
We will close those threads though.
The point of this forum is to GET girls.
That is what it's about.
Chase