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I need to know what are harms or possible damages one can have when learning seduction.give as detailed answer as possible and truth.
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Absolutely none. There are only positives. And a fucking ton at that. Getting good at seduction also automatically transfers to other parts of your life. Firstly, getting good with women also makes you a better social person, which helps you when making new friends. Last night was walking home and there were a group of italian guys sitting outside a restaurant and i just hit them up with a conversation and made new friends. Just like that. This would never have happened to me 2 years ago. Doing street approaches makes you a cool, sociable guy, and a cool, sociable guy is a cool, sociable guy. Period. Cool sociable guys dont give a shit whether a girl, or a group of guys is in a bar or on the street, they talk to them anyway.
Secondly, getting good at seduction means not getting butthurt when a girl rejects you, is rude etc. This makes you develop a thicker skin and give a fuck less. Ever since I started learning seduction when I do something embarassing like dropping a full tray of glasses on the floor in front of 100 people and everything smashes, I don't even feel embarassed, as I know it's not a big deal. Before in the past the experience would just be awkward but now i dont give a shit. Not giving a fuck when a girl rejects makes you not give a fuck with other things, gives you a carefree attitude which makes you cool.
I can't think of any negatives with learning seduction. At the end of the day seduction is making you a cool, sociable guy who gets a ton of pussy, what could possibly be wrong with that?
Secondly, getting good at seduction means not getting butthurt when a girl rejects you, is rude etc. This makes you develop a thicker skin and give a fuck less. Ever since I started learning seduction when I do something embarassing like dropping a full tray of glasses on the floor in front of 100 people and everything smashes, I don't even feel embarassed, as I know it's not a big deal. Before in the past the experience would just be awkward but now i dont give a shit. Not giving a fuck when a girl rejects makes you not give a fuck with other things, gives you a carefree attitude which makes you cool.
I can't think of any negatives with learning seduction. At the end of the day seduction is making you a cool, sociable guy who gets a ton of pussy, what could possibly be wrong with that?
Perhaps not harms but there are several things to consider if you are not careful enough. It's all relative, it all depends on your frame, on what you really want, on how much you care about others, on how skillful you are...
* STD's. If you sleep around with many girls and are not careful, you may get STD. Chlamydia? Ok, no big deal. How about herpes? That may be quite unpleasant. What about Hepatitis? HIV? Compare to conservative guy who doesn't sleep with many girls. Some girls may want you to show proof that you don't have any STD's first before she sleeps with you. Those are usually girls who care about who they sleep with, meaning quality girls. Imagine, you get to date this hot girl, everything is great, yet she rejects you just because you have herpes...
* Sexual harassment, especially if you make good $$$ and have high social status. You will become sexy and confident, you will be going after women and people will notice. However, some women may want to use it to their benefit. Women are smart, women are not stupid. They can set you up, you have no idea, they are way smarter than you. She will make it seem that she is into you, she will make it seem that she wants you, but then the reality hits. She will deny everything, she will create different story that what she made you believe... She will lead you on, she will let you touch her and kiss her, and then she will make a stalker and pervert out of you... The silly/cute/sexy girl you knew will turn on you like a cold beast with no mercy. I sh*t you not. Look at classical examples like Clinton or Trump. All these 'poor' and 'innocent' women that everybody feels sorry for... Right... Sexual harassment laws and rape culture is very real today as everybody feels sorry for those poor innocent girls... You may believe that you are this cool and great sexy guy who every girl loves and chases, but beware of what you wish for...
* Some good quality girls that you could otherwise date (and possibly marry, if that's what you want) will avoid you. Good quality girls who are more conservative and perhaps religious usually don't want to be associated with a guy who sleeps around. Don't make me wrong, they may be very attracted to you, they may want to sleep with you, but at the same time they will reject you because you sleep around and she simply can't trust you as a long term potential partner. The girl doesn't see only relationship between you and her, she also considers all her family and friends, and if you don't fit because you are too cool and everybody knows that you like girls, well, you just don't fit... Think about it, that is huge, because many guys want conservative girl who doesn't sleep around, and these girls are not so easy to find these days... You could be missing a lot...
* For the same reason, you may be perceived as attractive guy by many girls, yet they won't want to date you because of slut shaming. Which girl wants to be seen with guy who slept with lots of other girls? Only sluts don't care. Many girls in that particular envirnoment may flirt with you, talk sex left and right, but none of them will want to go out with you because everybody knows what you are doing... Girls talk, the word spreads very fast...
* Your personality will change. You will have different mind set. You may lose some good friends you knew for years, they will not want to be around a guy who is now much more successful... At this time you are so to speak 'calibrated' to society, you are part of the main stream. Once you develop your own mind and style, you may become even quite awkward. But again, that's based more on personality - some guys may not be affected at all, others just become somehow unusual (if lucky). Yet another ones can be perceived as very weird... Let me tell you, once I noticed a guy who tried some NLP trick on me to develop good rapport, I recognized it right away because I was familiar with it... That is a CREEPY feeling man, you know right away that there is just something very wrong with that person...
* For the same reason (and depending on your personality), you may become lonely. There is lots of seduction enthusiastic here online, but it may not be so in area where you live... Most people may not understand where are you coming from...
* You may break some girl's heart. Girls are just humans, if you have a good heart yourself you don't want to really hurt other humans. When you develop a good connection with the girl and then walk away from her, she will hurt... You may get to known girls who are not as sexy or good looking (say 4-5/10, some extra pounds), but they will perceive you as very sexy and cute. You may relate quite well to these girls on emotional level, there could be really great vibes and lots of fun. They too want to sleep with you, but, if you reject their attempts they may feel miserable about themselves... Sometimes it may be tempting because you feel the power as they are after you, but don't flirt with these girls, don't lead them on. They will hurt, you won't...
* You can even mess up some girl's life. She may be taken, married, and by getting to know you she may break up with the other guy. Perhaps not even because of you directly that much, but because of the feeling that she was cheating with you on the other person who she thought she loved, and now when you are around or gone, she has lots of regrets... You can also quite fuck up her mind, because a girl who is in relationship and starts thinking about another guy (you), may simply not feel good about herself... Simple thing to fix this is to avoid any girl who is in LTR from the very beginning...
* If you are an asshole, you are an asshole. Some girls dig it, they will love you for it, but most people won't like you. Not too many people want to be around assholes and pricks, no matter how cool they are. Again, they may respect you, they may perceive you as a high value man - but you will be lonely, unless you find another friend(s) with similar qualities...
* Rejections... Some fucking hurt, and I'm not talking about girl not giving you her phone number. I am talking about girl who you get to known well and may consider as good long term partner, but because of your unusual behavior (too smooth, knowing too much, have too many skills,...) she will put her breaks on. That's also a pain, not because you don't know much, but because you know too much, because you over-game her, everything you do is just right, you are too smooth, you are not making any mistakes she is used to... She will feel that she has no power in the relationship, thus she will exclude herself from it...
* STD's. If you sleep around with many girls and are not careful, you may get STD. Chlamydia? Ok, no big deal. How about herpes? That may be quite unpleasant. What about Hepatitis? HIV? Compare to conservative guy who doesn't sleep with many girls. Some girls may want you to show proof that you don't have any STD's first before she sleeps with you. Those are usually girls who care about who they sleep with, meaning quality girls. Imagine, you get to date this hot girl, everything is great, yet she rejects you just because you have herpes...
* Sexual harassment, especially if you make good $$$ and have high social status. You will become sexy and confident, you will be going after women and people will notice. However, some women may want to use it to their benefit. Women are smart, women are not stupid. They can set you up, you have no idea, they are way smarter than you. She will make it seem that she is into you, she will make it seem that she wants you, but then the reality hits. She will deny everything, she will create different story that what she made you believe... She will lead you on, she will let you touch her and kiss her, and then she will make a stalker and pervert out of you... The silly/cute/sexy girl you knew will turn on you like a cold beast with no mercy. I sh*t you not. Look at classical examples like Clinton or Trump. All these 'poor' and 'innocent' women that everybody feels sorry for... Right... Sexual harassment laws and rape culture is very real today as everybody feels sorry for those poor innocent girls... You may believe that you are this cool and great sexy guy who every girl loves and chases, but beware of what you wish for...
* Some good quality girls that you could otherwise date (and possibly marry, if that's what you want) will avoid you. Good quality girls who are more conservative and perhaps religious usually don't want to be associated with a guy who sleeps around. Don't make me wrong, they may be very attracted to you, they may want to sleep with you, but at the same time they will reject you because you sleep around and she simply can't trust you as a long term potential partner. The girl doesn't see only relationship between you and her, she also considers all her family and friends, and if you don't fit because you are too cool and everybody knows that you like girls, well, you just don't fit... Think about it, that is huge, because many guys want conservative girl who doesn't sleep around, and these girls are not so easy to find these days... You could be missing a lot...
* For the same reason, you may be perceived as attractive guy by many girls, yet they won't want to date you because of slut shaming. Which girl wants to be seen with guy who slept with lots of other girls? Only sluts don't care. Many girls in that particular envirnoment may flirt with you, talk sex left and right, but none of them will want to go out with you because everybody knows what you are doing... Girls talk, the word spreads very fast...
* Your personality will change. You will have different mind set. You may lose some good friends you knew for years, they will not want to be around a guy who is now much more successful... At this time you are so to speak 'calibrated' to society, you are part of the main stream. Once you develop your own mind and style, you may become even quite awkward. But again, that's based more on personality - some guys may not be affected at all, others just become somehow unusual (if lucky). Yet another ones can be perceived as very weird... Let me tell you, once I noticed a guy who tried some NLP trick on me to develop good rapport, I recognized it right away because I was familiar with it... That is a CREEPY feeling man, you know right away that there is just something very wrong with that person...
* For the same reason (and depending on your personality), you may become lonely. There is lots of seduction enthusiastic here online, but it may not be so in area where you live... Most people may not understand where are you coming from...
* You may break some girl's heart. Girls are just humans, if you have a good heart yourself you don't want to really hurt other humans. When you develop a good connection with the girl and then walk away from her, she will hurt... You may get to known girls who are not as sexy or good looking (say 4-5/10, some extra pounds), but they will perceive you as very sexy and cute. You may relate quite well to these girls on emotional level, there could be really great vibes and lots of fun. They too want to sleep with you, but, if you reject their attempts they may feel miserable about themselves... Sometimes it may be tempting because you feel the power as they are after you, but don't flirt with these girls, don't lead them on. They will hurt, you won't...
* You can even mess up some girl's life. She may be taken, married, and by getting to know you she may break up with the other guy. Perhaps not even because of you directly that much, but because of the feeling that she was cheating with you on the other person who she thought she loved, and now when you are around or gone, she has lots of regrets... You can also quite fuck up her mind, because a girl who is in relationship and starts thinking about another guy (you), may simply not feel good about herself... Simple thing to fix this is to avoid any girl who is in LTR from the very beginning...
* If you are an asshole, you are an asshole. Some girls dig it, they will love you for it, but most people won't like you. Not too many people want to be around assholes and pricks, no matter how cool they are. Again, they may respect you, they may perceive you as a high value man - but you will be lonely, unless you find another friend(s) with similar qualities...
* Rejections... Some fucking hurt, and I'm not talking about girl not giving you her phone number. I am talking about girl who you get to known well and may consider as good long term partner, but because of your unusual behavior (too smooth, knowing too much, have too many skills,...) she will put her breaks on. That's also a pain, not because you don't know much, but because you know too much, because you over-game her, everything you do is just right, you are too smooth, you are not making any mistakes she is used to... She will feel that she has no power in the relationship, thus she will exclude herself from it...
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Hey guys,
@ Drck. I don't mean to argue really, but this is quite a pessimistic picture. If you do things right at managing her expectations, there is no reason to break anybody's heart. There is also no reason to go for a married woman, given the tons of unmarried girls out there. About quality girls... it's like Chase said, seduction is actually harder with experienced women. It works pretty well with "quality" girls.
I otherwise agree that seduction is no something easily accepted by most people around. They will not understand your rotations, FBs, LMTR etc... So it's really something that you need to keep for yourself - you can't share your experience with your buddies unless they're also seducers. You will need to learn discretion about it, and make sure it doesn't "spill" to your social or professional circle.
A potential negative I foresee is, you will really get used to the diversity. If you're used to getting one or two new girls each month, difficult to suddenly stop and settle for one woman only. As a consequence it will be harder to settle down later into a committed relationship. Would be nice to have the opinion of Chase and other advanced guys who's been into seduction for a long period of time on this topic.
This negative has to be put in perspective. The alternative is getting married to a woman who's a champion at frame control, without you even being aware of it. I've been there before ;-)
To me, it is overall a very useful skill to have. I agree with killerman that there are also takeaways from seduction to other areas of your life, awareness of frames, non needy behavior, keeping your cool, etc...
Seppuku
@ Drck. I don't mean to argue really, but this is quite a pessimistic picture. If you do things right at managing her expectations, there is no reason to break anybody's heart. There is also no reason to go for a married woman, given the tons of unmarried girls out there. About quality girls... it's like Chase said, seduction is actually harder with experienced women. It works pretty well with "quality" girls.
I otherwise agree that seduction is no something easily accepted by most people around. They will not understand your rotations, FBs, LMTR etc... So it's really something that you need to keep for yourself - you can't share your experience with your buddies unless they're also seducers. You will need to learn discretion about it, and make sure it doesn't "spill" to your social or professional circle.
A potential negative I foresee is, you will really get used to the diversity. If you're used to getting one or two new girls each month, difficult to suddenly stop and settle for one woman only. As a consequence it will be harder to settle down later into a committed relationship. Would be nice to have the opinion of Chase and other advanced guys who's been into seduction for a long period of time on this topic.
This negative has to be put in perspective. The alternative is getting married to a woman who's a champion at frame control, without you even being aware of it. I've been there before ;-)
To me, it is overall a very useful skill to have. I agree with killerman that there are also takeaways from seduction to other areas of your life, awareness of frames, non needy behavior, keeping your cool, etc...
Seppuku
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What's your context?
You are coming from a mainstream society's narrative. It is normal to hear this question. The importanf is recognize whether you asking the question from that place, mentally.
You need to know where you are standing before you can move.
Zac
You are coming from a mainstream society's narrative. It is normal to hear this question. The importanf is recognize whether you asking the question from that place, mentally.
You need to know where you are standing before you can move.
Zac
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I have developed positive personality but hurting people is true .
is there anyway to get good of seduction but not bad and I want good emotions with girls.
@zac just got in college and entered mainstream I feel guys here girly or either I am too selfish & bad.
is there anyway to get good of seduction but not bad and I want good emotions with girls.
@zac just got in college and entered mainstream I feel guys here girly or either I am too selfish & bad.
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disciple99,
It sucks to be alone eh... We need to learn to get used to it but also recognize how people around us think, and not create too much cognitive brainfire to them, or at least infront of them.
ZAc
disciple99 said:
It sucks to be alone eh... We need to learn to get used to it but also recognize how people around us think, and not create too much cognitive brainfire to them, or at least infront of them.
ZAc