What Constitutes a 'Green' 🟢 Girl? 🚦

[Spike]

no all the girls at the club will be green, actually there are barely any greens out there now a days, you will deal mainly with yellowish, even if you look max and style max...

What you’re describing here as “greens” are actually just girls that like you (green) AND are down to fuck. Which is how it’s always been.

The color most girls of the club will be to you, will be determined by your fundamentals. If most girls at the club are yellow (unsure about you), then your fundamentals are severely lacking. Or you’re not doing fashion right, as I just talked about in my post above.

Your wing for example. Example of not doing fashion right, most girls were yellow/red to him. While girls were green to you.

Is funny to see my former wing saw how I got better results and his results went to shit, i begged him i offered to pay from my own money for a makeover cause we were not congruent hanging together he with his milleneal outdated style... He just quit clubbing completely since he couldn't take the reality distortion...

There is a difference between a girl being green. And a girl being green and down to fuck.

Just because a girl likes you, but isn’t down to fuck, does not make her a yellow.

A lot of the time these girls will think you look good but still not go home with you. They were green.

Yellows wouldn’t give you anything to work with or tell you they have a boyfriend right away. This is actually the minority

you described the hostess I slept with
As yellow after my drunken mishap. The thing is there was nothing I was going to say to her to change her mind. I waited for her to get green again. And then I resumed talking to her to make things happen.

This past Saturday, there was a girl I was banging that stopped answering my phone calls or texts because she hated the way I treated her. She saw me standing in line at the bar I was about to enter and she approached me. Green and down to fuck right away and we slept together. Even tho both these girls hated me at some point (yellow), I slept with them without saying anything to flip them from yellow to green. They were just green and down to fuck.

same as sometimes you’ll sleep with girls who didn’t shave their legs/pussy or cleaned their room before they went out. While their intentions were that they were going out to dance,(Which is very legitimate. Not as mystery once claimed that girls will say they want to go dance but in the back of their hindbrain, actually are down to fuck. You only have to see that 90% of them go home with their friends after a night out to confirm this), they didn’t expect to meet a guy that tapped all her triggers and then immediately goes green and down to fuck without you saying anything. You take her back to her place, and you sooth it over about it being fine that her room is a mess and you don’t care about her hairy pussy and you bang. Green and down to fuck.

The bottomline is: if most of the girls you want to sleep with (not just any girl. The ones you want) are yellows or your not getting those blatant IOIs from them, then you should take that as a sign that either your fundamentals are lacking or your doing fashion wrong. After fixing this, you should notice a lot of green in your future. From there it’s a matter of determining which one of them are down to fuck. Because the reality is most of them won’t be.

 

[Skills]

I said in before spike repeats himself anyway most guys that are not:

Traveling'
Doing online dating
College town in the middle of nowhere
Good environment

Will be dealing with yellows in what i experience and seen so far...if your experience is only with greens is awesome and advisable....

Most of the advice will not be practica... Re read my explanation...

Now let's way for kj to repeat himself...

 

[Spike]

I said in before spike repeats himself anyway most guys that are not:

Traveling'
Doing online dating
College town in the middle of nowhere
Good environment

Will be dealing with yellows in what i experience and seen so far

Yellow is girls that your not their type. And don’t really care about what you have to say.

Is that the reaction you get from most girls?

Maybe your wing because his outdated fashion sense determined the color (yellow) girls were to him.

while you got better reactions from girls (green) because you fit their type through fixing your fashion.

Same with me. When I first moved to my location. I did not get the reaction I’m getting today. After lots and lots experimenting.

Green just means that a girl likes you. Has nothing to do with dtf. A girl could be green and not dtf. That will be most girls after you’ve maxed out your fashion.

 

[Skills]

Yellow is girls that your not their type. And don’t really care about what you have to say.

Is that the reaction you get from most girls?

Maybe your wing because his outdated fashion sense determined the color (yellow) girls were to him.

while you got better reactions from girls (green) because you fit their type through fixing your fashion.

Same with me. When I first moved to my location. I did not get the reaction I’m getting today. After lots and lots experimenting.

Green just means that a girl likes you. Has nothing to do with dtf. A girl could be green and not dtf. That will be most girls after you’ve maxed out your fashion.

Green is girls that like you
Yellow is girls that are neutral
Red are not interested

I have post and videos with samples

Game is used to no fuck it up with greens
And to convert yellows and in
some cases red to greens..

Brah remember the red light post lol...oh boy

 

[Tryst]

Green is girls that like you
Yellow is girls that are neutral
Red are not interested

 

[Spike]

Green is girls that like you
Yellow is girls that are neutral
Red are not interested

I have post and videos with samples

Game is used to no fuck it up with greens

What your telling me is that after putting in all the work towards working on both your style and fashion, this is the type of reaction you should expect from MOST girls?

you will deal mainly with yellowish, even if you look max and style max

Because that’s neutral/I don’t care/whatever etc.

And if that’s the reaction you are getting from MOST girls, then you aren’t as looksmaxxed as you think.

MOST girls should be very happy/excited/shy you approached them.

And I know most girls are receptive to you approaching them. That means they are green.

My problem with the PUA’s black and white definition of greens is that it says you just need to not fuck it up.

if you were to break down every single lay report written in the field reports section. You’ll see a common theme. They kept approaching (if they mention this part. Sometimes they’ll not mention it) until they found a girl that was receptive to them (green). And then they used game to close the girl. Whether it was curiosity gambits, Gunwitch 3 keys method, sex prizing method, 3 bounce method. Whatever technique they thought would help them secure the lay. But all those girls were receptive to the PUA. Making them green. Which according to the PUA’s definition of green meant they just “didn’t fuck it up”.

By that same token, there will also be girls that like you (green), but won’t fuck because they are not down to fuck. Even if you did nothing to fuck it up. I know everyone has experienced this. Myself included. That doesn’t make them yellows you weren’t able to convert to green because they already liked you. Not every girl that likes you is going to fuck. Regardless of how many guys they been with.

 

[Tryst]

MOST girls should be very happy/excited/shy you approached them.

It's more subtle than that. A lot of girls will be very happy/excited vibes when you approach with good fundamentals, but that doesn't make them greens in my definition. Many of those girls will still be "neutral" in terms of receptiveness to being PUed, which begs a bunch of semantic questions and definitions. What does neutral mean? Does it depend on the PUA? Hence black hole, it just comes down to definitions...

 

[TomInHo]

Let the debate that refuses to end begin yet again

 

[Spike]

A lot of girls will be very happy/excited vibes when you approach with good fundamentals, but that doesn't make them greens in my definition. Many of those girls will still be "neutral" in terms of receptiveness to being PUed

Yeah. Green but not dtf

A girl could be green and not dtf.

 

[Skills]

What your telling me is that after putting in all the work towards working on both your style and fashion, this is the type of reaction you should expect from MOST girls?

Because that’s neutral/I don’t care/whatever etc.

And if that’s the reaction you are getting from MOST girls, then you aren’t as looksmaxxed as you think.

MOST girls should be very happy/excited/shy you approached them.

And I know most girls are receptive to you approaching them. That means they are green.

My problem with the PUA’s black and white definition of greens is that it says you just need to not fuck it up.

if you were to break down every single lay report written in the field reports section. You’ll see a common theme. They kept approaching (if they mention this part. Sometimes they’ll not mention it) until they found a girl that was receptive to them (green). And then they used game to close the girl. Whether it was curiosity gambits, Gunwitch 3 keys method, sex prizing method, 3 bounce method. Whatever technique they thought would help them secure the lay. But all those girls were receptive to the PUA. Making them green. Which according to the PUA’s definition of green meant they just “didn’t fuck it up”.

By that same token, there will also be girls that like you (green), but won’t fuck because they are not down to fuck. Even if you did nothing to fuck it up. I know everyone has experienced this. Myself included. That doesn’t make them yellows you weren’t able to convert to green because they already liked you. Not every girl that likes you is going to fuck. Regardless of how many guys they been with.

A girl receptive to an approach is not green... There are women that are red that are receptive to your approach and flirt to then tell me when i ask who sre you here with? My husband is right there... A girl receptive, attracted and going nowhere... Spike i am not kj... You and kj can go on circles repeating yourself... I am not doing that shit... You are not going to drive me crazy like you and your crew did in the chat...

 

[Spike]

There are women that are red that are receptive to your approach and flirt to then tell me when i ask who sre you here with? My husband is right there

Your definition of red is:

Red are not interested

while this girl was interested

A girl receptive, attracted

Green is girls that like you

…just not dtf/sexually available. But that shouldn’t be a problem because you can use game to covert from red to green right?

 

[topcat]

 

[504]

This is mostly for the new lurkers and forum members who haven't yet learned about the huge Traffic Light Debate from half a decade ago:

The Traffic Light Method is weak and gay. Respect senior members

Lately there have been a few lame, dumb movements on the Boards. These movements are: Members who think they are hot shots because they follow the Traffic Light Method, who then go and argue with everyone else about it, trying to proselytize this Revolutionary New Method Members who think...

www.skilledseducer.com

Relevant food for thought:

A girl who likes you, TRULY likes you, who doesn't put out for you due to >insert reason here (religion, etc.)<.

A girl who doesn't like you, but who is horny and will put out for a guy who meets her looks threshold. She wouldn't give this guy any AI or IOI's. She wouldn't make a move of any kind. Just be compliant.
After sex the girl would completely ghost the guy digitally as well as IRL. Red girl? Green girl? Who cares?

 

[Spike]

Green just means that a girl that is physically attracted to you. Which is determined by your overall look.

The more you work on your fashion (particularly focusing on appealing to the demographic of girls you targeting), your looks (face and body wise), the more girls will find you physically attracted. Hence more girls being green to you.

Passing her looks threshold for instance, means she finds you physically attractive.

That’s just a prerequisite. A girl also has to be dtf and sexually available. Which is a factor outside the traffic light thing. She can be green or have some hang up that prevents you from being able to sleep with her. That doesn’t make her yellow or red. Because she does find you attractive.

Some girls will be down to fuck and sexually available for a same night lay but only for guys that pass their looks threshold. The hotter the girl, the higher the threshold.

 

[Tryst]

I'll give my own final word on this silly thread.

A guy walks up to a girl, and gets shot down instantly. It was really brutal. "She was just a red, I guess. Nothing I could have done."

Another guy walks up to a girl. He says something charming, he chats to her, she seems dtf, she leaves the club with him after 10 minutes. "She was green! What great luck have I!

It was the same girl.

How do you decide who was red and who wasn't? At any time, in any situation, with any girl, there exists some perfect series of actions which will lay her in a reasonable time frame. Some girls will allow more or less deviation from "perfect action." If you lay a girl, congrats, you stumbled upon, by chance (and aided by your skills), one of the ways to lay her. If you fail to lay her, you didn't find a correct series of actions. How do you know if she was easy at that time or not?

Suppose one girl, and two players. The players have very different styles. She is receptive to one guy, but not the other. Is she red, or is she green?

Suppose the guy that fails with her has a better calibration, and is better able to fine-tune his game to what exactly she needs. Now she's receptive to him. Is she red or is she green?

Suppose the guy that fails realises his normal style isn't gonna fly, and totally changes style. Red or green?

How she responds to you is entirely a function of her personality in that moment, and the personality you present to her. Even if you can come up with some coherent definition of red or green (you can't, even if you define each girl's receptiveness individually for each PUA), you then can't actually do anything useful with this definition, because you have exactly no way of knowing what would have happened if you had done anything slightly different.

One time, I approached a girl, and she shouted "fuck off!" at me. I happened, by random chance, to do something that softened her, and by random chance, I decided to stay and say something else, and I happened to say something that made us start getting along. She was very dtf. Red or green?

I could have shrugged my shoulders and called her red, but she actually turned out to be one of the easier lays I've had. Red or green? It's a question of semantics. Suppose you choose some coherent definition, what then? Had I walked away immediately, I wouldn't have any of the information I need to actually define her as red or green.

Suppose now some girl that you considered super easy. But had you, by chance, deviated from the exact set of actions you took, she would have instantly ran away from you and blocked you on everything. You think she's green, but you don't actually have the information to say how difficult she was. Maybe you just got lucky... with a girl you would define as red if you saw all the other ways it could have gone.

In short, impossible to agree on a definition, and any definition is completely useless anyway, because you'll never have the information you need to actually judge a girl's colour. Complete waste of time system. All you can say is "I got laid", or, "I didn't".

- Tryst

I'd like to say that girl was red,
My wingman calls her green.
I wish I'd never read this thread,
Or chose some shade of spleen!

 

[KJ Francis]

Whoa I leave for a few days, what happened... is this cause I posted the @Karea Ricardus D. quote...

^ Steve "Did I Do That?" Urkel in baggy style...

I will catch up on the other thread later, but here are 60 Years of Challenge definitions copyright 2010 courtesy of GPT Francis:

Red Girls
When you open: Gives you a rude response or she ignores you
Initial Vibe: avoids eye contact, not smiling
Remember: Most girls are actually nice
What she expects you to do: Call her a bitch and walk away
Solution:
Laugh along with her. Women are funny. Especially when they are pretending
to reject guys. Be more genuine “I wanted to meet you”. Give her one more chance
to open up. If not, “pleasure meeting you” and turn your back on her.

Yellow Girls
When you open: she gives you the deer in headlights look
Initial Vibe: polite smiling, nervous laughter
Remember: she is probably more scared of you than you are of her
What she wants: for this not to be awkward
Main Worry: Is this guy just messing with me
Solution: Be humble
You guys looked fun. I thought I would come over and introduce myself.
The girls we classify as yellows need a minute to warm up.
Never say the following:
You don’t talk much do you?
Are you guys are in a bad mood tonight?

Green Girls
When you open: enthusiastic, smiling
Initial Vibe: flirty, seductive
What she wants: for you to shut up and make a move
Main Worry: Is he going to kill the seductive vibe by talking too much and acting
like a clown.

Reminder for guys in walkable college towns... traffic lights are for cars to signal whether to proceed or not.

So the light color indicates her level of submission / compliance. It is an indicator of compliance windows.

Green = Proceed
Yellow = Slow
Red = Stop escalating

Just because a girl likes you, but isn’t down to fuck, does not make her a yellow.

Why not? In the VAC model, liking you is value, and down-to-fuckness is compliance.

A girl could think you are hot shit but unattainable. Yellow... don't pull yet.

Increase attainability... Girl shows compliance... Light turns green.

Full speed ahead.

 

[Skills]

I'll give my own final word on this silly thread.

A guy walks up to a girl, and gets shot down instantly. It was really brutal. "She was just a red, I guess. Nothing I could have done."

Another guy walks up to a girl. He says something charming, he chats to her, she seems dtf, she leaves the club with him after 10 minutes. "She was green! What great luck have I!

It was the same girl.

How do you decide who was red and who wasn't? At any time, in any situation, with any girl, there exists some perfect series of actions which will lay her in a reasonable time frame. Some girls will allow more or less deviation from "perfect action." If you lay a girl, congrats, you stumbled upon, by chance (and aided by your skills), one of the ways to lay her. If you fail to lay her, you didn't find a correct series of actions. How do you know if she was easy at that time or not?

Suppose one girl, and two players. The players have very different styles. She is receptive to one guy, but not the other. Is she red, or is she green?

Suppose the guy that fails with her has a better calibration, and is better able to fine-tune his game to what exactly she needs. Now she's receptive to him. Is she red or is she green?

Suppose the guy that fails realises his normal style isn't gonna fly, and totally changes style. Red or green?

How she responds to you is entirely a function of her personality in that moment, and the personality you present to her. Even if you can come up with some coherent definition of red or green (you can't, even if you define each girl's receptiveness individually for each PUA), you then can't actually do anything useful with this definition, because you have exactly no way of knowing what would have happened if you had done anything slightly different.

One time, I approached a girl, and she shouted "fuck off!" at me. I happened, by random chance, to do something that softened her, and by random chance, I decided to stay and say something else, and I happened to say something that made us start getting along. She was very dtf. Red or green?

I could have shrugged my shoulders and called her red, but she actually turned out to be one of the easier lays I've had. Red or green? It's a question of semantics. Suppose you choose some coherent definition, what then? Had I walked away immediately, I wouldn't have any of the information I need to actually define her as red or green.

Suppose now some girl that you considered super easy. But had you, by chance, deviated from the exact set of actions you took, she would have instantly ran away from you and blocked you on everything. You think she's green, but you don't actually have the information to say how difficult she was. Maybe you just got lucky... with a girl you would define as red if you saw all the other ways it could have gone.

In short, impossible to agree on a definition, and any definition is completely useless anyway, because you'll never have the information you need to actually judge a girl's colour. Complete waste of time system. All you can say is "I got laid", or, "I didn't".

- Tryst

I'd like to say that girl was red,
My wingman calls her green.
I wish I'd never read this thread,
Or chose some shade of spleen!

Again, is not that deep...... I will give you history, once upon a time, there was not tinder, there was not gen z (that got socially under develop due to corona, there was not intagram, there was not online dating.....

^ keep this in mind for context, mm and derivatives of mm light, were like 100 different pu school teaching mm and different variations....

Some guys were doing live tinder (since there was not tinder), and would go to a club, and screen for dtf women sleazy, 60yoc, me, and half of nextasf....

^ it was very easy an effective and a group of those guys including me, develop their own version of screening and the traffic light method, FOR SIMPLICITY, to help the AUTIST..... Example of autism "what constitute green light?" only autistic people sit here and discuss this autism, and the "style or fitness maxing what should i do?" another example of autism.... me answering and participating in this discussion is autism as well....

Some societal, and generational things happens were using the system to explain autist stuff in general vs the past, you will be dealing with mostly yellows, vs the past environment..... I would like you to compare lrs from here with lrs from nextasf or masf no comparison what so ever.... Unless online of course, i am talking cold approach...

in cold approach in a GENERAL environment, not specific advantages (which are recommended) like online apps, or college town in the middle of nowhere with a bunch of normies, out of the country doing game abroad etc.....

I am talking regular USA you will be dealing mainly with yellow based on the system design based to help autistic beginners understand for simplicity... is not this deep brah....

here is my original post on this, this is by a young skills

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if you read modern seduction books for example models, 60yoc, Aaron Sleazy, Mode one, my book etc… You will hear a lot about screening and the 3 types of women, the reason i bring this up is that dudes pm me or ask me questions on what to do with women that are already interested, more on this later, this is basic info. that most seducers know but i will bring it up again cause it seems that is not that obvious to many of you, and i notice guys use the wrong strategy with many of them, so they fuck it up…so here we go:

Interested, receptive, green light, buyer: these girls are attracted to you, and want you. You do not need to be gimmicky or to impress them or any of that crap. All you need to do is in text, facebook, chat(set up a meet asap), in person(escalate). So the strategy here is not to game them they like you already, the strategy is to close them while they are hot and not fuck it up. My analogy, buyer i came here to buy a Mercedes and i want to pay cash for it were do i sign…. Salesman: Listen let me show you the features, and these are the reasons why you need to buy it, lets go and test drive it blah blah blah blah blah blah…. Ends up killing the sale… I sale for living so i have seen this happening multiple times. All he had to do is take out the order and say excellent decision, lets start the paperwork so you can start enjoying your car asap. This will be about 10% of the female population. So out of 100 girls, 10 of them. This women will laugh at your stupid ass jokes, flirt, do sex talk, reciprocate your escalation, ask questions about yourself, give you their number, request you on facebook, give you the look, give you open body language, blush, try to get your attention, cock-block other women, look away right away when they see you, follow you around, find excuses to bump into you, give you proximity, qualify themselves etc….. She is a bit more invested in you than you are in her, good situation to be in, your job is not to fuck it up, simple, and escalate fast and take things sexual. Lately, in my personal game i only deal with these girls, since i am were i want to be when it comes to women, so if you have an abundance of other women, these are the ones you want to look for.(advance level)


Neutral women: These girls may be attracted to you or not, but she is on the fence, she is less tipically invested in you than you are in her, she needs more information. With these women the goal is not to play it safe but to force/push/polarize her to either be no interested, red, unreceptive, or to be receptive, green light, buyer. The best way to do this in my opinion is by escalating, not being needy, displaying attractive qualities, and a bit of physical persistence. This is why i get into fights with dudes that say there is not text game etc… Here you can not really push for a met up right away, since she is not really ready at this point…. What you do not want to do here, is be fake, and gimmicky that shit don’t work. And definitely you do not want to play it safe “to get a girl you must be willing to lose a girl”, signs: She does not chase, she gives you neutral body language, you escalate she does not reciprocate but does not move away etc… With time and experience you will get a feel for them, this is were seduction comes into play. This will be about 40% of the female population. In sells for example i don’t have enough money to buy this mercedes? sells dude: i can appreciate that do me a favor and put your money, away, now have you considered the fact that mercedes require the least maintenance, and last 20 more years than a toyota or a nissan, when you take that into acct. you are getting a mercedes for the price of the nissan, also we got great financing which makes it affordable for your budget, if we do biz today how much would be willing to invest for this unbelievable piece of machinery?

Not interested, red, no receptive: These women are a freaking waste of time, they usually have a bf, or like somebody else, or you are not their type, or they don’t like your personality and style, or they were neutral and now they are not interested(happens to a lot of you do to your neediness and weak ass game). These women will put you in the “friendzone” or in my new concept “a nothing(not a friend, not a buddy a 0)”. These girls are possible to convert(my current gf went from neutral to not interested due to my neediness with her), but the amount of effort and work is not worth it. These girls will tell you they have a boyfriend, walk away, be flaky as fuck, talk to you about other dudes they like, get annoyed by you, tell you to fuck your self, give you fake numbers, try to go the other way when they see you, treat you rude etc… These girls are a huge waste of time(but skills, you said your gf, was in this category, are you being a hypocrite? no, cause i stop wasting my time with her, and got other women, then she came back to me as interested)…. example: client: i do not have money, i work in macdonalds at 7 an hour there is no way i can afford this vehicle. This is about 50% of women

Time is the most important thing when it comes to seduction, your time is valuable. Cause if you are wasting to much time and investment in an unreceptive, not interested women, is time that you can be wasting in a interested, or neutral, not to mention it makes you needy as fuck. So you will be asking a million question on what to do with that particular girl, when the only answer is, GET OTHER WOMEN

^ i wrote this when i was doing the screening stuff, now a days is somewhat coming back....

But even back there i made the point that with the Yellows, is were seduction and game come into play (same shit Karea said).... The difference is that the percentages now a days in USA and availability and consistency, again in USA, has change drastically...

this whole discussion is just retarded.... When people say look max and style max to go for green, has always been like that, nothing had changed other than guys will be dealing with more yellowish... Actually i even said back then when i was a screener... and seduction comes into play with the yellowish and redish...

With the greens you don't need game..... Talking about style maxing and look maxing help somewhat with the greens (awesome)

The tech games and articles and forums and blogs, and pua teachers, focus more on the technical practicality and influence part to deal with yellows...

I don't understand why it has been almost 3 months of this stupid ass discussion going in circles, and repeating things 100 times.... someone can just post the original 20 pages and razor rip post were we discuss the same shit over and over and over yawn...

if you want to Style max and gym max, start making post on how to do that in the lifestyle section like "oh shit" skills did..... Instead of trolling and trolling....(no you thryst)

There couple of poster that i need to follow karea and put on ignore right away, for my sanity...

 

[Skills]

^ Steve "Did I Do That?" Urkel in baggy style...

And??? by the way he did it almost right, his shirt is too long, killing the law of 1/3, he needs to tuck in or crop the shirt.... What is your point??

 

[KJ Francis]

What is your point??

googled did I do that image... saw baggy urkle... not that deep

good post from young skills... simple concept... green = go. stop talking and hand her the pen(is) to sign here.

 

[Spike]

A guy walks up to a girl, and gets shot down instantly. It was really brutal. "She was just a red, I guess. Nothing I could have done."

To him yes.

Another guy walks up to a girl. He says something charming, he chats to her, she seems dtf, she leaves the club with him after 10 minutes. "She was green! What great luck have I!

To him yes.

Green just means that a girl that is physically attracted to you. Which is determined by your overall look.

Some girls will be down to fuck and sexually available for a same night lay but only for guys that pass their looks threshold. The hotter the girl, the higher the threshold.

you then can't actually do anything useful with this definition, because you have exactly no way of knowing what would have happened if you had done anything slightly different

Yeah. Who knows if instead of opening a girl with, “hey” I had said, “what’s up guys?” instead. Maybe I would have got laid. Or vice versa. Instead of opening a chick, “what’s up guys?” I should have gone more nonchalant and just said, “hey” instead. Maybe that slightly different thing would have made all the difference. I’ll never know.