What Is It Like To Be Raised By A Seducer?

[Rage]

ive been wondering about this question for a while; for some reason this question and other thoughts about my future come into my mind rather often.

i supose if any of you had a dad that was a player, could answer this question and I would be curious as to what that childhood was like and what growing up may have been like for you.

The other piece to this question of course is what will it be like to raise kids as a seducer. Some of the older guys can reflect their experience on the topic perhaps...

I've wondered about it, if you were still the traveling dad who would bang hotties and build businesses and make money in his spare time, wouuld you have to have a mom to raise the kids by herself and just see them once ina while. And that wouldnt be the most ideal way to raise kids (as much as settling down and having two parents raise the kids) would be I would think?

So then from that comes the question too that, if you were to have kids as a seducer would you in some way or another have to sort of settle down with a girl to do it. And raise the kids with her? ... And would you be able to do that and be a daddy who still fucks other chicks too sometime, or perhaps by that time you would have kids your testoterone would drop other motivations and priorities would change and by then you would be cool settling down and raising kids and not fucking randoms anymore at that point?

I wonder about the lgoistics of the topic... but also about what virtues lessons expereinces and upbringing a child will have who sees his father as not whipped in any way and a real man who women are attracted to and who people respect (is an authority figure self made lives and plays by his rules and all that stuff). Whether this be him having settled with a unicorn wife or not settled and still playing the field.

What woudl the uprbigning of the child be like and what values and virtues would the child see taught to him explicitly and implicitly by the seducer father.
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As guys that fuck multiple girls and are doing our ancestors proud in spreading our seed around, we almost biologically want to have kids more than most other guys. This is a theory of mine; but yeah for some reason guys I know of who fuck a lot of girls are totally up for having kids one day... and don't seem to be the adamant no im never going to have kids people that are out there.

maybe im wrong about this last bit, but this has just been what ive observed which other players i know. I have slight theories on this topic and the other stuff above, but nothing definitive so its all pretty theoretical still. Intereested in what you guys think about all this

Rage

 

[Bete Noire]

Hey Rage,

You pose an interesting number of questions here and whilst I can't truly call my Dad a player, I do know that he certainly brings a way more open minded approach to women due to his non conservative background. My mate in college talks about his Dad and continues to mention that we'd get along, he's 70 something which is WAYYY older than most Dad's around us (50's tops) but he used to own a club and has had several wives along the way Ill ask Jack about him and can fill you in around early Jan ^^ Let me know if you've got specific questions you fancy me weaving in to a convo

 

[Rage]

that sounds cool man; i was just curious to this stuff in terms of how they might be different from other dads and what effectst that might have. I dont have many way older friends who I know are players who I know in person; i could have asked them.

but all this will end up stuff i find out eventually in life anyway I guess haha

 

[Ree]

hey...interseting question.....
i wasnt raised by a seducer...and i dont have kids yet so im just hypothesizing here
but i think...
in a world where majority of men cheat(over 70percent)
more than half of marriages end in divorce,and the traditional nuclear family is now a minority(the traditional mother father children and a pet goldfish has given way to single parents,and kids being raised by their grandparents )
non seducers are doing a poor job as it is
having a dad who undersatnds social interactions better than most should be advantageous

....i think

 

[Eternity]

Was raised by one...

Pros:

• 
  Red pill mentality was a given since in Mexican culture this is the norm.
  
  Countless examples of dominance, holding frame, "asshole" game being run successfully on my mother and seeing it work before my very eyes.
  
  Being told, at a young age, most women will slut it up and can be tempted to cheat tumbled the pedestal of most women I encountered.
  
  Challenged extensively by my father to succeed and "be a man" and not a pussy.
  
  Seeing game being run on women by my father and seeing it work, despite these women being married.
  
  Hearing many stories about his conquests and game wisdom growing up
  
  Seeing two sides of women in the presence of a man who makes them tingle
  
  Witnessing a Natural's body language, smile, personality, cocky/funny ect first hand.

Cons:

• Overshadowed by a Natural's skill/success and feelings of inferiority in contrast to my developing skill level
  
  The dark side of an "Dominant Asshole"and being in front of the firing lane during his tirades against me or my mother
  
  The Natural thinks his way is the only way in seduction, thus a difference of style that may not suit you
  
  Manipulations, lying, narcissism,feelings of superiority were all common themes at home
  
  My mother's blue pill mentality of the world clashed against the red pill mantra my father secretly whispered to me and naturally worshipped
  
  When in public, "pushed" not encouraged to interact with attractive girls and told to spit game. Clammed me up more instead...
  
  Having very high expectations of me in life and with women that I could not possibly meet due to several underlying issues at hand...

My experiences anyway with a "Natural" seducer of women...

 

[ray_zorse]

I think an interesting angle to this is, does an effective seducer get the behaviour he wants from those around him -- his girlfriend(s), his children etc? He SHOULD... but whilst compliance is a "thing" for me and I make a regular point of asking for compliance, rewarding compliance with praise and attention, and punishing non-compliance with no attention... and this is extremely effective with my girl(s)... I honestly struggle with my children, I think my game as a seducer would be much improved if I could get this cracked. Well their behaviour is consistently terrible, constantly fighting amongst themselves, throwing tantrums, yelling and screaming and throwing things and hitting me over the smallest thing that doesn't go their way, and compliance, forget it... for example if I go upstairs to search out some outfits for them, or pyjamas, or I cook the dinner or tell them to get in the bath, or get their shoes on, or whatever... this is consistently ignored, they will just keep watching TV or playing with my phone or whatever as if I am not there. So lately at those times I ask or tell them once, then when ignored I unplug the router from the wall and then wait until I have their attention. Sometimes we have a computer free day but this is hard to maintain. They are also addicted to sugar and will do stuff like pulling all the shit out of the fridge/cupboard and starting to make a peanut butter and jam sandwich when dinner is like 10min away. I never fuckin know what to make for dinner since they usually do not eat what I make, I will ask them 3 or 4 times what they want when we are out and passing the supermarket, and get ignored or a huge argument will flare up, so I then make a decision but usually I and my 7yr old am the only ones eating it, usually the younger 2 manipulative fuckers will then want me to make a special meal for each of them, to which I usually refuse but sometimes end up complying. Leaving the house takes several hours of angrily harassing them over every tiny step "Why are your undies not on. I put a pair of undies in your hand 15 minutes ago. FUCKING PUT THEM ON RIGHT NOW". Bedtime is exactly the same. Thing is that I would never let my girlfriend disrespect me like this and neither would I ever lose my cool. I just set hard boundaries and stick to them. I am also honestly not too bad at doing the same with the kids, but it is very nuanced being a parent, many conflicting responsibilities that I puzzle over daily. And one has to be SO CONSISTENT because kids are addicted to occasional rewards like when I comply over the dinner. Manipulative FUCKERS. It is also extremely hard to catch my kids doing the right thing and praising them for it. Lately I have also had trouble finding punishments that actually mean anything (usually they just laugh in my face, or spit in my face in one disturbing incident that happened this morning). So I decided to hit them where it hurts "be in bed by the time I count 3 or no computer games or TV tomorrow". This works... for now. (We tried limitations to x minutes of screen time per day a month or two back, but this was rather complicated in the implementation due to their differing schedules and their non compliance, I would make breakfast and get the youngest one dressed, load the dishwasher etc, then realize I hadn't seen the middle one for a bit, instantly knowing he'll have been curled up in my bed with my phone for the last half hour, so I'd then have to think of a suitable punishment, it was like trying to enforce today's ridiculous drug laws for instance, enforcement is always gonna be highly selective). Honestly as a sometime badass seducer dude I KNOW I am better than this and can create correct incentives, but it is a massive mountain to climb. It's a lot easier to blame the fact they're at their mother's 10 days a fortnight where I am certain they get no discipline and basically enforce their reign of terror, their mother innocently claims they are subject to all kinds of strict rules but I am certain the kids are ignored unless creating 10 kinds of havoc, I noticed while we were together that her parenting style is based around creating the appearance of being a supermum in the eyes of her peers while basically being a lazy slob when nobody is looking. Anyway it's a work in progress, have not really got to teaching them seduction yet, still struggling with basics, hahaha.
Ray

 

[Rage]

Eternity

That's fascinating, thanks for sharing. It sounds like perhaps it could be a good thing if it isn't forced on the kids/you give kids open mindedness and only lead by example. If it were lacking arrogance and stuff perhaps ... It is interesting that you got into this stuff as your dad had too.

There is something about like if parents are forcing you to do something you grow up not wanting to do the thing; but seems didn't happen for you

Ray

Hahaha that's funny man but that sounds like that sucks too.

I wonder (can only theorize and that's not much) if perhaps it would be good as a dad to be a bit more of a pussy in some ways.

This meaning you settle down somehow> have kids> your test levels naturally taper off a bit and you can be more nurturing to the kids which perhaps then comes with being less alpha. My dad would do a lot of mom like things and was very feminine and not masculine and shit, where my mom was and made the decisions.

But I feel like maybe I would have acted out more possibly if my dad was traveling and doing his own. Thing a bit more ... Maybe; though for your example man your ex might play a crappy role in how the kids are influenced? Sorry to hear your situation in that regard sounds kinda tough.

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I feel like I would wanna settle to have kids at some point; part of me wants to bang girls for a long time but part of me would like to settle down with a good girl have kids and take that slight testosterone drop that comes blasphemous as it is to say that

Maybe I do in the future lol

Rage

 

[Eternity]

^ Womanizing runs on my father's side, might be genetic, who knows...

I also didn't start thinking like him earlier in life. I leaned towards the blue pill side of life due to a lot of exposure to the media and its perspective of how everything "happens" naturally when you find the "one". I shunned what he told me and thought it was just him being cynical and world wearied. I know better now, but women are my father's weakness but not mine... Thus, the level of passion and excitement he has with "game" differs from mine because he was a natural and his inner beliefs are rock solid; therefore higher confidence and a higher almost magical level of skill than average "beta" men.

 

[trashKENNUT]

Eternity, everyone,

Not being an 'asshole'. Yes, your dad is good with women but then the question goes to what type of seducer he is?

1)Is he the Girlschase type of seducer? One of our members had a great dad. His name on the boards is Just_Dave

2)Is he the 'traditional' type of man? That is your father

I am not comparing both dads. You learn a lot more of the reality 'negatives' with Eternity's dad than with Just_Dave. I wonder what you guys prefer? More to red pill (facts) or more to balance of management?

Zac