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UnaverageNavy

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How to find an actual long term relationship with a loyal, submissive and trusting partner?

Most girls at clubs and bars as well as online dating only seem to be interested in hookups or flings. Is social circle the only real way to find good loyal women?

And since I'm not in school anymore and moved to a new city, what would be the best option for that?
 

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Most girls at clubs and bars as well as online dating only seem to be interested in hookups or flings. Is social circle the only real way to find good loyal women?
This is what daytime cold approach is for.
And since I'm not in school anymore and moved to a new city, what would be the best option for that?
Depends. But regardless, you've come to the right place.
 

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Most girls at clubs and bars as well as online dating only seem to be interested in hookups or flings. Is social circle the only real way to find good loyal women

This isn't really accurate.

But the best way to find a loyal woman is to find a woman whose interests you align with.

Call me jaded, call me pragmatic, but I think self interest makes loyalty. If she's trying to get somewhere, and you're a piece that she thinks is required to get there... she'll not only be capable of accepting your terms (depending), but you might find she intuits them better than you do (ie what you will or will not accept).
 

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How to find an actual long term relationship with a loyal, submissive and trusting partner?

A big part of this is experience. Another is the skill of managing a relationship (something also built through experience). And then compatibility.

Experience is how you can become better at discernment. Do you really know what you want? What she wants? Can you tell if you are compatible?

These things might require multiple relationships to get good at...

So the first step is choosing well. This is a process that starts at the first interaction, and continues on for the whole relationship. In the beginning it looks like this:

  • "she seems cool. I'll invite her out on a date"
  • "we are getting along well these past few dates, she's sane, emotionally stable, looking good for LTR, BUT, I will keep seeing her because a few dates are not enough time for that kind of decision"
  • "These past few weeks/months I've got to know her, and she indeed is a good fit, so I will let her a little more into my life"
  • "These past few months/years she has really proven to me she is great, she's worthy of my time and commitment if I decide to settle down"
  • And so on...

So experience will help you see your situation clearly.

Next step is relationship management.

If you are leading the relationship, and you are doing it well, to me that means you are well aware of both your needs and her needs. That is why experience and ability to see the situation is so important. If her needs are not something you can deliver on, or are unwilling to, then it doesn't matter how great her moral standards are for loyal, she will not be happy and want out of the relationship. Same goes for your own needs. Let's say her needs are easy for you to fulfill, but she has a hard time understanding or delivering on your needs. You're going to be unhappy.

If on the other hand, you did a great job of choosing well, and chose a girl who is very compatible with you (meaning you fulfill each other's relationship needs well, with little compromise) then you will be able to lead the relationship with ease. The dynamics and personality styles of your relationship will make sense to each other and whatever "agreement" you have with each other is more likely to work out.

So where do you find girls who are likely to be compatible with you? You engage more in your passions, interests, your element, your tribe, etc. You will meet likeminded people in these areas of life. When I do this, I find the best women (and cool male friends). It isn't always easy to do, but in my opinion it is required for a fulfilling life, let alone a good dating life.

So my suggestion is to look at relationships as something complex and dynamic, but those dynamics are things you can learn to understand very well through experience and studying the articles here on this site (I blame my relationship success on the many relationship articles that Chase has written). So when you get into a relationship, I would recommend you keep a growth mindset on the situation. Meaning, if things don't work out, recognize that a relationships ending is one of the most common phenomena on earth.

My first relationship was a complete mess and yet it was the relationship that taught me the most.
 
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MuST0BtA1NSkR1Lla

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How to find an actual long term relationship with a loyal, submissive and trusting partner?

Most girls at clubs and bars as well as online dating only seem to be interested in hookups or flings. Is social circle the only real way to find good loyal women?

And since I'm not in school anymore and moved to a new city, what would be the best option for that?

Good timing for this thread, was broken up with recently so I’ll add my two cents here and see if it resonates with you.

My New Years resolution *[Also with the circumstances of how my 2022 played out.] has made me go through a lot of growth recently. Absurd amounts.

Ive noticed things such as becoming more effeminate, slower paced and what I like to think of as “understanding” yet for me as a young adult these sound like great bounties and boons but for people who are in the PUA hobby this is almost the exact antithesis to what we aim to do.

PUA *[For me] has always had the basics of compliance ladder, kino and fast moving through emotional highs and going through shit tests and ending up with a lay.

I did something different with this relationship then what I usually do. I went as blue pilled as I possibly could. Tried to live the life of a beta. I think at “Some” point though the chick I was seeing realized I was being incongruent with her. *[But it could’ve been just as well that a bigger richer simpier dick presented itself and she considered that the better choice.]

I think for my age group *[30 year old millennial] that women are such advantaged hoes that atleast if you are looking for something decently hot you won’t find something that’ll fit your criteria. My observations from my neck of the woods anyways.
 

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Good timing for this thread, was broken up with recently so I’ll add my two cents here and see if it resonates with you.

My New Years resolution *[Also with the circumstances of how my 2022 played out.] has made me go through a lot of growth recently. Absurd amounts.

Ive noticed things such as becoming more effeminate, slower paced and what I like to think of as “understanding” yet for me as a young adult these sound like great bounties and boons but for people who are in the PUA hobby this is almost the exact antithesis to what we aim to do.

PUA *[For me] has always had the basics of compliance ladder, kino and fast moving through emotional highs and going through shit tests and ending up with a lay.

I did something different with this relationship then what I usually do. I went as blue pilled as I possibly could. Tried to live the life of a beta. I think at “Some” point though the chick I was seeing realized I was being incongruent with her. *[But it could’ve been just as well that a bigger richer simpier dick presented itself and she considered that the better choice.]

I think for my age group *[30 year old millennial] that women are such advantaged hoes that atleast if you are looking for something decently hot you won’t find something that’ll fit your criteria. My observations from my neck of the woods anyways.
I am gen z and it's honestly even worse with the women of my generation. And especially the girls I've been meeting at clubs and bars after getting into pua and game.

I agree with what you said but you didn't mention what your growth taught about relationships. Are you saying it's not worth it to be with someone "decently hot" or just being in a committed relationship in general?
 

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I am gen z and it's honestly even worse with the women of my generation.
Yes and no.
First of all, a lot of gen Z girls are less experienced than ever. They're also younger. For now.
And especially the girls I've been meeting at clubs and bars after getting into pua and game.
With clubs and bars, there's a massive selection bias going on.
Hell, with early resistance, there's a massive selection bias.
Are you saying it's not worth it to be with someone "decently hot" or just being in a committed relationship in general?
Why do you want a committed relationship? It's not a challenge, just a question you need to be asking yourself.

The typical guy goes into a relationship without clear intent, often partially for reasons related to neediness.

And most of all, I hate to sound like a redpiller, but in general, serial monogamy as typically practiced ain't great for men. Both for biological and sociocultural reasons.
 
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I am gen z and it's honestly even worse with the women of my generation. And especially the girls I've been meeting at clubs and bars after getting into pua and game.

I agree with what you said but you didn't mention what your growth taught about relationships. Are you saying it's not worth it to be with someone "decently hot" or just being in a committed relationship in general?
This video to set the stage


17:05 to 18:35

I don’t want to colour your opinion too much because the questions/answers you’ll discover during the game will be a lot different then the conclusions I’ve found from what I’ve seen.

I will point out that you can’t turn off being a player. When you learn all these things you’ll always be situationally aware of game.
 

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@UnaverageNavy,

There's two parts to a girl submitting to you in a relationship:

  1. How submissive is she, naturally?
  2. How dominating are you with women?

Like, if a guy is not very dominant, he needs to have a girl who is pretty darn submissive if he wants her to be submissive to him. Even then, he may run into trouble in the relationship, because even submissive women have a lot of tools to betaize men:


If you ask me, the best way to go about it is:


The stronger your frame and the better your relationship management skills, the less totally/naturally submissive a girl must be to submit to you.

Get them strong enough and you will come to love strong, proud, confident girls, because you know you'll likely be the first guy they've ever really submitted to:


Even true for most girls from bars/nightclubs. I don't recommend taking girlfriends from there for the reasons @Surveyor links to in that article. However, I have still had girlfriends I met at nightclubs, back before I gave myself that stricture, and they were plenty loyal and plenty submissive.

Trust is more of a personality trait. There are some people who are naturally very trusting. There are others who are suspicious to the point of paranoia. You need to screen her for that as you get to know her if a high-trust partner is important to you.

Trust is also related to experience. If she has had prior relationships where she got burned, she will never trust quite as much. If she is more worldly and has lost some of that Disney princess idealism, she will not trust quite as much. That said, you can also build trust, over time. Though if you want those totally blindly trusting girls you've got to pick them up real young. They present their own issues though... like if you are past the idealism stage, but they are still in it, there is going to tend to be some major differences in what you each think appropriate relationship behavior is like.

One way to think of it though:

  • The man with a weak frame and poor relationship management skills who wants a submissive woman has few women to choose from, because few women will submit to such a man

  • The man with ironclad frame and battle-hardened relationship management skills who wants a submissive woman can fit almost any woman into that role, including those accustomed to making other men submit, because nearly any woman will submit to such a man

Work on those aspects of yourself that expand the pool you can draw relationships out of, and suddenly unicorns go from "impossibly rare or maybe extinct" to "sheesh, I just walk down the street, bump into a girl, and BAM! Another unicorn! They're flipping everywhere!"

Chase
 

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From my observation girls who have a good upbringing have lived or lives with a family and respect loves their family members. Who are into religion or at least spritual. Most girls are emotional but those are into love songs, movies. Have decent friends, social circle. They can party of course but not into clubbing or drinking, smoking. Had sex with only bf or a-holes that cheated on her. Having said that it can also be a HB who has messed up her early life but now she is on track and wants to have family. But if she has really high body count which obvisouly she will never admit, still has bad habbit like drinking, smoking regularly. Then I am afraid she is damaged.

It also depends on you. You need to be a high value man or skills to be that person. You are responsible and a masucline guy who can take the lead in relationship.
 
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