What Is The Consensus On Nofap In 2023?

[rr2021 aka DEVENCI]

im always very conflicted on what to do with masturbation/porn when it comes to seduction.

When i last looked into this I think the consensus from most top guys was to limit porn/masturbation to only once per week for optimal success in seduction.

I think Chase,Gunwitch and Teevster are 3 experts who recommend this once a week rule.

the problem is that this once a week rule does not seem to work for me.

In my experience after 3-4 days without releasing i become very tense and it kills my attention from girls.

I'm a very good looking guy and get approached a lot but i have noticed when im on nofap i never get approached and i get significantly less attention from girls in the clubs.

It's almost like after 3-4 days without release i develop a very weird/unattractive super tense vibe.

I have literally NEVER been laid on more then 3 days nofap.

all my lays happen if i have released within 72 hours of meeting the girl.

are any of you like me?

anyone else here find that they get LESS attention from girls after 3-4 days without release?

also, what do those of you who actively go out in the nightlife at least 2 times per week do for nofap?

what is your protocol for masturbation/porn as an active nightgamer?

I'm asking specifically for nightgamers because i actually think for daygame it might be helpful. it's hard to explain but i remember doing a 30 day challenge for daygame when i was under 21 and nofap seemed to help for daygame. at night though for me it seems to make me super tense and gives me a weird vibe that girls do NOT like.

 

[Skjöldr]

If you're addicted to PMO, you should quit it completely.

 

[Dragon913]

 

[Zoro]

Porn is bad for your brain.

In my experience after 3-4 days without releasing i become very tense and it kills my attention from girls.

Nofap is the poor man's Sexual Kung Fu. The ancients who practiced semen retention had practices for channeling the powerful sexual energy throughout their body, and this allowed them greater focus, health, strength, sexual prowess, and attraction from women.

If you're interested in that, look up the thread here on this forum titled: "how to channel orgasm up your spine"

As for more relevancy to your question, that practice would avoid the tension and distraction that comes from leaving your sexual energy to bottle up. Of course you will go crazy if you don't learn how to manage that energy and use it.

 

[rr2021 aka DEVENCI]

f you're interested in that, look up the thread here on this forum titled: "how to channel orgasm up your spine"

have you tested this method yourself?

if yes, what where the results in nightgame?

 

[ulrich]

We had a big thread on this last year.

The conclusion that stuck with me is that it really changes from guy to guy but as long as you keep approaching and getting lays, you do whatever works for you.

 

[Echoes]

I noticed a similar trend, where by day 6 or so, I can't focus on anything but getting some. Then I binge for a while, cut down, and then try nofap again. Feels a bit robotic, but I think scheduling a couple times a week to just imagine a girl/girls and reset would be the best for me. Especially timing it so the positive effects are peaking when you normally get the most exposure to girls. Could pair it with what Wick is suggesting, so you develop "endurance" over time and increase the benefits.

 

[Zoro]

have you tested this method yourself?

if yes, what where the results in nightgame?

yes

More confidence, more female attention, fluid speech, stronger voice, the list goes on

 

[Zoro]

I noticed a similar trend, where by day 6 or so, I can't focus on anything but getting some.

This is because standard nofap doesn't have techniques for channeling the sexual energy, so it just builds up until you burst.

It's like filling a reservoir until the dam breaks, versus creating a new channel for the water to flow (and that new channel happens to be a power station).

 

[Rakehell]

I was sexualized pretty early on hanging out with kids way older than I was.

Discovered the concept of sex and my own sex drive at less than 10 years old. Can remember the day, the friend, and the conversation I was introduced to porn and the concept of masturbation at 11 or 12.

Can also remember a following friend who told me verbatim “jerking off is bad luck, and when you do it something bad will happen” in a different convo.

Me being an impressionable kid talking to other kids way older than I was, living a pretty volatile child hood actually believed him. And from that point on I’d notice all the “bad luck”, I’d have following jerking off.

Whether it was getting caught with porn, getting a bad grade, having something bad occur at home, or getting in trouble in some other way. I swore off jerking off. Like anybody I’d “relapse”, and all the bad would happen again.

Until I realized that whether I jerked off or not “the bad shit”, that I attributed to me jerking off, was happening regardless.

Despite all that 2 or so years ago I joined the No Fap bandwagon, and went as long as 60 days without porn or jerking off at all. In the moment I felt like I’d accomplished something.

But objectively I can say that it did nothing for me besides giving me a small sense of accomplishment.

If you wanna abstain, do you, but theres nothing mystical to it, and there’s nothing wrong with doing it. It’s confirmation bias. A placebo. The “magic water” from space jam.

If it helps you, who am I to judge, but you don’t have to feel bad if you do.

Slight Edit: before I learned more efficient methods, i’d jack off before going to meet up with girls so that i’d last longer. Still smashed, Still got hard, Still wanted to fuck them, and sometimes I did actually last super long. Not something I do now, but it didn’t stop me from getting laid then.

 

[HoofHearted]

I've never thought pornography was a problem. I've always thought the person watching it is the problem. Especially how its functioning in their lives.

I've heard many times from sorry faced men "I have a porn addiction," always self diagnosed, and never really meeting any real or clinical definition that I know. And I say to them, maybe that's not true, maybe there's just something assholish about you? But nobody wants to hear that.

As for touching yourself, don't do that. You'll go blind.

 

[Zoro]

I've never thought pornography was a problem. I've always thought the person watching it is the problem. Especially how its functioning in their lives.

I've heard many times from sorry faced men "I have a porn addiction," always self diagnosed, and never really meeting any real or clinical definition that I know. And I say to them, maybe that's not true, maybe there's just something assholish about you? But nobody wants to hear that.

As for touching yourself, don't do that. You'll go blind.

yourbrainonporn.com

 

[HoofHearted]

yourbrainonporn.com

Is there something compelling to you about this? I may be missing the point.

I only took a cursory glance at the most obvious stuff. Particularly the '7 out of 50' studies that demonstrate causation, most of which were a sample size of 10 or less, and evaluated by academic sociological methods... not clinical ones.

That wasn't kind of me. But I do think the site is junk.

I don't watch pornography, and don't encourage it, and don't particularly seek the discourse about it in the form of studies. I'm sure if I sifted through the site I could find something more palatable, but as they say (and maybe as any cherry pickers ought to know), as you seek so shall you find.

I would, however, be interested in *your* take on it.

The only premise I'm really entertaining/presenting is that for those men that think pornography is a problem, perhaps the problem is elsewhere and the porn therefore follows. I haven't asked 1000s of people about this or measured it with fMRI though.

While all these dudes are wondering about porn addiction or wasting time on videogames, my fat & ugly ass is trying to sex women that are far better looking than i am.

I am succeeding.

 

[rr2021 aka DEVENCI]

yes

More confidence, more female attention, fluid speech, stronger voice, the list goes on

do you do mostly nightgame or daygame?

 

[rr2021 aka DEVENCI]

Despite all that 2 or so years ago I joined the No Fap bandwagon, and went as long as 60 days without porn or jerking off at all. In the moment I felt like I’d accomplished something.

But objectively I can say that it did nothing for me besides giving me a small sense of accomplishment.

where you actively going out for daygame/nightgame during those 60 days?

you have to actually be in field to see how it impacts your game.

for me after 3-4 days without release i become super tense and it seems to kill my vibe in nightgame resulting in a massive drop in female attention.