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What is 'The Red Pill'?

Bruce Wayne

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I found this site 'Return of kings' few weeks ago. They're the so called Red pill folk. Its led by this guy called Roosh. The content is so shocking and nothing like I've ever seen or heard. They act like they've uncovered some hidden dark truth about everything. The stuff that I found in those articles are so terrible, that I don't even wanna write them down in my post. What is this thing? I've never heard these things here in Girlschase.. Why is that? Are all those terrible things true?
 

Drck

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There are always different ways to look at the same things, depending on your personal experiences, knowledge, environment you are in, your age and so on...

Younger guys, say around 17-30 are in general more inexperienced, idealistic, more naive... They still sort of romanticize girls... The reason is that they don't have much experience with dating, relationships and women in general... Many perhaps believe that they will date and marry the perfect girl, the innocent virgin...

And hopefully they will, there is nothing wrong with with such believe...

More mature guys, say 30+, start seeing things differently. They slept with girls, they've been through relationships, many of them went through marriage and break ups... They are familiar with the "System", paying taxes, alimony, child support... Some perhaps recognize that the world they've perceived through their eyes in early 20's is now totally different...

Some of these guys start describing women's common behavior: While she is young and pretty, in her early 20's, she is usually fucking around with lots of guys, but only certain ones. Those are known as Bad Boys, Alpha males, assholes, macho guys, whatever you want to call them.... For simplicity let's call them "Bad Boys" here...

These Bad Boys usually don't have any intention to marry them or carry for them, they just - in simple words - want to fuck them, and then they usually dump them... Girls of course complain about this behavior, they pretend that they don't like it - but in reality, those girls just love those Bad Boys, they just love to fuck with them...

When we take general population, there is say 10-20% of those Bad Boys vs. 80-90% of what we can call Normal Guys here - regular guys who care for girls, guys who want to provide for them, protect them, cherish them and so on...

So the reality is that approximately those 20% guys (Bad Boys) get to sleep with most of the girls, while 80% of the rest of the guys (call them Normal Guys) can't get a decent girl to either sleep with or to date her... They are getting dumped, rejected, disrespected, they have no chance... It's called 80-20 rule or principle... Chances are that here on GC are those 80% percent of Normal Guys who can't or couldn't get laid - those Normal Guys who have certain believes about girls and who exerts certain behavior towards girls... They are trying to unlearn all the behavior that causes failure with women...

So because these Normal Guys can't get laid or dates they simply seek help, e.g. they start reading GC or other seduction, PUA or dating sites...

Let's shift the time 10-15 years to the future: The pretty and hot girl is now in her early 30's... She may have one or two children... She most likely slept with many guys (Bad Boys), and now she is ready to saddle down... So who is she going to look for? Now she is looking for those Normal Guys - for guys who are stable, faithful, guys who provide for them because they have finances, guys who want to have family and take care of children...

The Normal Guy is now in his 30-40's. If he was in longer relationship or marriage, chances are that she cheated on him, whether he knows it or not. Chances are that he might be divorced, unhappy, stuck with paying alimony and child support... Chances are that his self esteem is shot, he feels miserable about himself, he is emotionally paralyzed by that girl he loved so much - at first she was this cute, sweet and innocent girl, but as the years went she turned into cold and ruthless bitch who stripped him off everything he had...

A guy who recognizes this through his own experience or by reading it online may be initially shocked. The truth is bitter, at first he may get frustrated, mad, angry... Everything he knew about those sweet, cute and innocent girls appears to be lies... Lies that he lived through so many years.... This guy recognizes that reality is much different than he's seen and believed...

We can say that this Normal Guy took Red Pill because he now he start seeing the hidden and bitter Truth... He now recognizes nature of girls and women - he recognizes that those sweet and innocent girls are always trying to sell their innocence and purity to those 80% (Normal Guys) while they fuck whenever they can with those 20% (Bad Boys)... He recognizes that he was or still is just one of those Normal Guys, and that his desire for romantic relationship and love are the main obstacle why he can't get decent girl...

Some guys may get mad and bitter, and they may stay that way for long time... Others fight it, they are willing to learn new Game, they learn how to behave like Alpha Male, they adapt new mindset - so they can get laid...

The reality though is, that if you were raised as a Normal Guy (aka Nice Guy) you may have lots of problems with girls, especially in western society today. In simple words, you can't get laid because of your believe system and behavior towards women.... you are getting rejected left and right no matter what you do... Most girls (at least younger ones) don't really care about Nice/Normal Guys who are seeking LTR... If they do it is just as a backup, while they are on the look for real man, the Bad Boy who can screw her and leave her... Many of girls today prefer to be single moms who can freely chose to sleep with anyone who they like, vs being with so called Nice/Normal guy... It wasn't always like that but now it is becoming more and more common... Just look around and see how many single mom's in her 20-30's you see...

So Red Pill guy is sort of seeing things from the other side than the Normal Guy... He now became a guy who learned The Game, a guy who developed Alpha attitude, a guy who stopped worshiping and caring for women... He is now free from illusions about women, and he now moved himself to those upper 20% because he changed his believe system and behavior... Now it is him who females want to fuck with, he now sees The Truth, The Truth that was so long hidden from him...

He now sees that guys who care too much about the girl, guys who got married and take care of families, guys who protect women while being White Knights are simply guys who live in illusion, who live in lies... The more they care the more troubles they have with women... He sees that these guys are being screwed by the System left and right, he sees that those Normal Guys simply became Slaves to the System... System that worships women...

There are of course different versions of Red Pill, perhaps different branches... Red Pill, Manosphere, MGTOW... Some guys became bitter Red Pill-ers, some became loners, yet others remain positive and bang lots of girls using the game... Some guys remain soft, others became hard-core, another ones remain realistic... Things are also changing in the society that we live in, perhaps it is still safe to say that things are still developing as more and more guys are contributing to the so called Red Pill...

So Red Pill is simply an attempt to restore natural Alpha Male-ness, if we can call it that way. Usually Red Pill guys are trying to develop Alpha Male and/or Asshole behavior and attitude - increase masculinity by lifting weights, increase independence (of women) by not worshiping them, learn some Game and try to get to sleep with as many women as possible, they are trying to avoid monogamy, one-itis...

In a sense, Red Pill is stripped, simpler and more hard-core verions of Seducion, the guy focuses more on developing his own Life vs trying to focus entirely on seducing women... In Seduction (as it appears to me) the guy is trying to raise himself up so the girls notice him throught attraction, he is trying to learn how to be Lover, how to be smooth, how to manage relationships and so on... Red Pill guy is rather simpler, he is no longer trying to impress women by being the greatest seducer, perhaps he is simply trying to develop some fast and efficent game that allows him to get laid with as many females as possible...

Is it true? We all have different opinions, personally I believe that it is true because that is what my own experience confirms...

Two cents, but always curious how others view Red Pill...
 

Chase

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Bruce,

I like Roosh and I think ROK does some great things for men. At the same time, I also view it as important to not get sucked completely into it.

Men in the West are generally at varying degrees of awareness about the way the world they live in actually works. Lots of times when folks realize things aren't the way they thought they were, they feel duped and believe everyone else is in on a big conspiracy to control them or fool them. Reactionary thought (and ROK is essentially a reactionary site) works this way: I just realized you've been playing me for a fool the whole time, and I'm mad as hell about it. Most of the writers there seem to come from that cloth: they were guys who fully bought into "nice guys finish first" paradigm the media, academia, etc., pushes. Then one day they realized it was nonsense. So they swung to the other extreme. Most of the manosphere (men's sites about dating and women on the Internet) have strands or even full-blown rivers of this in it.

Girls Chase is different perhaps because I and most of the writers here never bought into the mainstream narrative. We all had our own struggles to get the results we wanted with girls and in life, but most of us didn't go through that, "Holy crap, they've all been lying to me!" mental meat grinder. I can't speak exactly for the other guys, but at least with me I always viewed all the 'nice guy gets the girl' stuff Hollywood pushes as the American equivalent of Bollywood... You know a guy can't actually jump over a 4-story building and then sing a song on a hill after, but it's kind of fun to watch. And when girls give dating advice, you know not to listen to it, but they aren't trying to hurt you by giving you bad advice, they're legitimately trying to help you, without realizing if you take them serious the effect is the opposite.

A site like ROK aims at the guys who legitimately believed you could jump over a 4-story building and sing a song on a hill after, and who really bought into the whole "If I buy her flowers and open doors, she'll be my life partner" non-advice. Those guys tend to be a lot angrier. It does have some good advice (one of its most controversial articles, I think it was "24 Signs She's a Slut", was super spot-on on 95% of its 'tells' and I kinda wished I'd thought to write it first!). However, much of its content is more aimed at giving men an opportunity to vent and share all the bad emotions they get from feeling like they've been had. That can be useful, but it's also a pathway to victim mentality if you aren't careful about it.

Sometimes you need that anger to get over a deeply-held belief system. So there's definitely a place for it. You just don't want to get stuck there... Because then you're trapped in bitterness, and you're still not seeing the real picture. I guess you could say you took the purple pill, not the red one.

The one exception is if you decide to make social change your personal Cause. If you do that, then holding onto that bitterness and resentment can be a motivating force. If you don't do that, it's a waste of precious energy you could better spend on, say, building a fantastic life.

Some of my thoughts on the manosphere at large:


Chase
 
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Bruce Wayne

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Thank you fellas, but I don't think Roosh is much of a guy. He started the whole damn thing. He is the one who employ those freaks. He approves them. Which makes him the biggest freak of em all. And also he supports Trump.. Do I need to say more? :D
 
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