What Is Your Biggest Fear Or Frustration With Pickup?

[Smurf]

IFeelIWastedMyYouth,

That'll happen bruh!

What I usually do is plan a date so it doesn't severely inconvenience me when I go there. For example, I planned a date when I had to go to work a few hours later, so I planned the date close to my job. She did flake, so it was no big deal and just walked around a bit before clocking in. Don't make it some place that's really difficult to get to or work with.

Jake.

 

[FeelIWastedMyYouth]

Please elaborate on "mountains of resistance." What do you try, what happens, etc.

I don't really have a set process for escalating.

This is your entire problem. Because you have no process, you are not "one step ahead." You need to be a step ahead to be a good leader, because a leader naturally moves things towards the outcome(s) he has in mind. You have no outcome or process, and the women can feel the lack of leadership and it is turning them off. I went through this phase as well.

This is like taking a woman dancing...getting in position, taking her hand, putting her arm around your waist...and then....just standing there not knowing what to do.

Needless to say, that is not the kind of experience women are looking for. They like to be swept off their feet, which translated from womanese, means that the men led the dance properly and well.

I will be done in the near future with my book about getting laid the first time a girl comes over, because my process is extremely consistent (which is when seduction gets really fun). So I can't share too much just yet, however I will say this:

YOU MUST BE ONE STEP AHEAD

You must know that when you kiss her, you are going to kiss her in a certain way, which will lead to another action, then another, in a chain of events which ultimately lead to you putting your cock inside of her. Women LOVE it when a man knows what he is doing, so start mapping out your game plan ahead of time and then tweaking the process instead of just hoping things go well.

where and how do most guys gain or learn this ability to "lead", and escalate with women? because a lot of guys seem to naturally know how to do this since their teen years, are some guys just naturally born Alpha? or are there other factors?

 

[Motiv]

In my opinion, the difference is whether the guy had a strong masculine father or a weak one who was subordinate to his mother (or absent completely). Actually, I have a theory that there aren't any PUAs with strong masculine fathers, because if they had fathers like that, they wouldn't need to know any of this stuff. It would have been taught to them either explicitly or by example..again, just my opinion.

The good news, though, is it's a learnable skill (mostly a mental readjustment) that will put you on par with naturals (to the degree that people will think you are a natural too).

My opinion as well: those of us who grew up in weakness yet saw our ourselves for what we were—and also what we can be—seek the secrets of strength and leadership. I always suspected Drexel started out somewhere low—Chase too—that's what keeps people like me coming back here: the writers' own lives are so relatable—then we can follow their paths to success.

-M

 

[FeelIWastedMyYouth]

Please elaborate on "mountains of resistance." What do you try, what happens, etc.

I don't really have a set process for escalating.

This is your entire problem. Because you have no process, you are not "one step ahead." You need to be a step ahead to be a good leader, because a leader naturally moves things towards the outcome(s) he has in mind. You have no outcome or process, and the women can feel the lack of leadership and it is turning them off. I went through this phase as well.

This is like taking a woman dancing...getting in position, taking her hand, putting her arm around your waist...and then....just standing there not knowing what to do.

Needless to say, that is not the kind of experience women are looking for. They like to be swept off their feet, which translated from womanese, means that the men led the dance properly and well.

I will be done in the near future with my book about getting laid the first time a girl comes over, because my process is extremely consistent (which is when seduction gets really fun). So I can't share too much just yet, however I will say this:

YOU MUST BE ONE STEP AHEAD

You must know that when you kiss her, you are going to kiss her in a certain way, which will lead to another action, then another, in a chain of events which ultimately lead to you putting your cock inside of her. Women LOVE it when a man knows what he is doing, so start mapping out your game plan ahead of time and then tweaking the process instead of just hoping things go well.

where and how do most guys gain or learn this ability to "lead", and escalate with women? because a lot of guys seem to naturally know how to do this since their teen years, are some guys just naturally born Alpha? or are there other factors?

In my opinion, the difference is whether the guy had a strong masculine father or a weak one who was subordinate to his mother (or absent completely). Actually, I have a theory that there aren't any PUAs with strong masculine fathers, because if they had fathers like that, they wouldn't need to know any of this stuff. It would have been taught to them either explicitly or by example..again, just my opinion.

The good news, though, is it's a learnable skill (mostly a mental readjustment) that will put you on par with naturals (to the degree that people will think you are a natural too).

Glad to hear it can be learned, although I have known for a almost a while now, like almost 2 years that it can be learned, it's just at times my mind, brain tends to reprogram myself to have this limiting belief that it can't be learned, that you either have it or you don't, that maybe it's in my DNA to be a Beta or Omega Male, but now at times, I feel it's more due to anger, rage, frustration, and regret for not removing that limiting belief in my mind earlier, for not taking action earlier to fix my issues with women, that's why I picked my username, I feel I wasted most of my 20's, I turned 27 a little over 2 months ago.

People argue and say that as women get older, their dating/mating market value begins to decline, like as soon as they reach 30, in some ways I like to think of that as life, reality, giving women karma for their lack of initiative towards meeting guys, always expecting guys to approach them first and ask them out first, initiate/escalate with them, taking the lead, etc.

 

[Motiv]

Now, you are fluently typing paragraphs and paragraphs of perfect English
...

Not so sure about that part... being a douche bag, I know—blame Hector! Then again, I'm not one to talk with my all my overuse of em dash...

...
and I'd bet that you weren't even looking at the keyboard as you typed it.

Actually, I personally do end up looking at the keyboard a lot when I type—guess I can't learn, durka durka...

Ok, ok... in all seriousness—tongue and cheek aside—(em dash again, I can't help myself!), Drexel is just calling out your whining, dude. Not that we all haven't been there and felt what you feel, but this is the place to arm yourself with the tools to man up—not just with women, but really anything you plan on setting your mind to. Take his words to heart—maybe even mine too... you can do this shit if you take the effort to let the wisdom sink in and then go apply it. I have and so have many others on this board—you can read about it every day. Now, go make your own success stories so we can read yours too!

P.S. Most people around you won't be a fraction as serious as you are. Don't ever let that deter you. Let them decline into oblivion as that's their choice.

 

[FeelIWastedMyYouth]

Glad to hear it can be learned, although I have known for a almost a while now, like almost 2 years that it can be learned, it's just at times my mind, brain tends to reprogram myself to have this limiting belief that it can't be learned, that you either have it or you don't, that maybe it's in my DNA to be a Beta or Omega Male, but now at times, I feel it's more due to anger, rage, frustration, and regret for not removing that limiting belief in my mind earlier, for not taking action earlier to fix my issues with women, that's why I picked my username, I feel I wasted most of my 20's, I turned 27 a little over 2 months ago.

At some point in your life, you had no control over the tiny micro movements of your fingers. Your eyes couldn't see straight and you had no idea what a computer was.

Now, you are fluently typing paragraphs and paragraphs of perfect English with good spelling and grammar, and I'd bet that you weren't even looking at the keyboard as you typed it.

You already know how to learn, you've done it perfectly before. I bet you can even drive, you master learner you.

unfortuneately, women have a 6th sense for being able to smell, detect when a man is bitter, resentful, frustrated from miles away, I know it's life, reality, for us guys to be the initiators, to be the one that makes the first move and asks the girl out first, takes the lead, etc. After all, the sperm chases the egg, that's a good analogy right there as to why I feel it is the guys role to be the initiator while girls are generally passive when it comes to meeting guys and making something happen.

For a while I felt it was unfair and it made me very bitter and angry, frustrated as to why it is the mans role to be the initiator, do the approaching and asking out, leading, escalating, etc., so that made me often times very reluctant to take action, but I feel I have a different mindset on it now, the only reason why at times I get frustrated about it now is because I didn't learn and seriously take this role seriously earlier, like in my late teens and early 20's, so now its only a matter of just kicking myself for not mastering, conquering this area of my life earlier, I'd do almost anything to turn back the hands of time to be 18 again and have a better mindset on this, sadly, life, reality does not work that way.

Although I've known of this phrase for a long time now, I feel it should have been psychologically drilled into my brain more heavily during my formative years, like when I was going through puberty, the phrase "life is not fair", just like at times i'm sure some of us guys can feel it is unfair that the burden is always placed on us to do the approaching, asking out, initiating, escalating with women, etc., I'm sure women feel it is unfair that they have to deal with pregnancy, periods, child-birth, and especially that their dating/sexual market value declines for the most part when they get older, typically either once they reach 30 or 35, because of that, now women when they get old, they now get an even bigger taste of how life is unfair for them, so as their dating/mating market value declines, I like to think of that as men having the last laugh, women getting dealt with karma by reality for their lack of initiative and passiveness towards guys, no matter how much they are attracted to those certain type of guys.

Easier said than done, it's just I wish I could remove by bitterness and resentment.

 

[Lotus]

Please elaborate on "mountains of resistance." What do you try, what happens, etc.

I don't really have a set process for escalating.

This is your entire problem. Because you have no process, you are not "one step ahead." You need to be a step ahead to be a good leader, because a leader naturally moves things towards the outcome(s) he has in mind. You have no outcome or process, and the women can feel the lack of leadership and it is turning them off. I went through this phase as well.

This is like taking a woman dancing...getting in position, taking her hand, putting her arm around your waist...and then....just standing there not knowing what to do.

Needless to say, that is not the kind of experience women are looking for. They like to be swept off their feet, which translated from womanese, means that the men led the dance properly and well.

I will be done in the near future with my book about getting laid the first time a girl comes over, because my process is extremely consistent (which is when seduction gets really fun). So I can't share too much just yet, however I will say this:

YOU MUST BE ONE STEP AHEAD

You must know that when you kiss her, you are going to kiss her in a certain way, which will lead to another action, then another, in a chain of events which ultimately lead to you putting your cock inside of her. Women LOVE it when a man knows what he is doing, so start mapping out your game plan ahead of time and then tweaking the process instead of just hoping things go well.

where and how do most guys gain or learn this ability to "lead", and escalate with women? because a lot of guys seem to naturally know how to do this since their teen years, are some guys just naturally born Alpha? or are there other factors?

In my opinion, the difference is whether the guy had a strong masculine father or a weak one who was subordinate to his mother (or absent completely). Actually, I have a theory that there aren't any PUAs with strong masculine fathers, because if they had fathers like that, they wouldn't need to know any of this stuff. It would have been taught to them either explicitly or by example..again, just my opinion.

The good news, though, is it's a learnable skill (mostly a mental readjustment) that will put you on par with naturals (to the degree that people will think you are a natural too).

This is a very interesting concept and I can definitely attest to the impact it has.

My father was a confident, strong, leader when he met my mother. She was used to being lead by him until she realized she wanted to make more decisions, which completely changed their relationship eventually destroying their marriage and changed him. As a result he has taken a "weaker" role in his second marriage.

My point being I grew up in a split household where my father had regressed and the other half the time I lived with my mom, and I can clearly see how that affected my development(in this department...I don't want to take anything away from how I was raised). It wasn't until college that I began to move from the position of weakness, because the soccer team I played for was very dog-eat-dog competitive.

 

[FeelIWastedMyYouth]

Glad to hear it can be learned, although I have known for a almost a while now, like almost 2 years that it can be learned, it's just at times my mind, brain tends to reprogram myself to have this limiting belief that it can't be learned, that you either have it or you don't, that maybe it's in my DNA to be a Beta or Omega Male, but now at times, I feel it's more due to anger, rage, frustration, and regret for not removing that limiting belief in my mind earlier, for not taking action earlier to fix my issues with women, that's why I picked my username, I feel I wasted most of my 20's, I turned 27 a little over 2 months ago.

At some point in your life, you had no control over the tiny micro movements of your fingers. Your eyes couldn't see straight and you had no idea what a computer was.

Now, you are fluently typing paragraphs and paragraphs of perfect English with good spelling and grammar, and I'd bet that you weren't even looking at the keyboard as you typed it.

You already know how to learn, you've done it perfectly before. I bet you can even drive, you master learner you.

unfortuneately, women have a 6th sense for being able to smell, detect when a man is bitter, resentful, frustrated from miles away, I know it's life, reality, for us guys to be the initiators, to be the one that makes the first move and asks the girl out first, takes the lead, etc. After all, the sperm chases the egg, that's a good analogy right there as to why I feel it is the guys role to be the initiator while girls are generally passive when it comes to meeting guys and making something happen.

For a while I felt it was unfair and it made me very bitter and angry, frustrated as to why it is the mans role to be the initiator, do the approaching and asking out, leading, escalating, etc., so that made me often times very reluctant to take action, but I feel I have a different mindset on it now, the only reason why at times I get frustrated about it now is because I didn't learn and seriously take this role seriously earlier, like in my late teens and early 20's, so now its only a matter of just kicking myself for not mastering, conquering this area of my life earlier, I'd do almost anything to turn back the hands of time to be 18 again and have a better mindset on this, sadly, life, reality does not work that way.

Although I've known of this phrase for a long time now, I feel it should have been psychologically drilled into my brain more heavily during my formative years, like when I was going through puberty, the phrase "life is not fair", just like at times i'm sure some of us guys can feel it is unfair that the burden is always placed on us to do the approaching, asking out, initiating, escalating with women, etc., I'm sure women feel it is unfair that they have to deal with pregnancy, periods, child-birth, and especially that their dating/sexual market value declines for the most part when they get older, typically either once they reach 30 or 35, because of that, now women when they get old, they now get an even bigger taste of how life is unfair for them, so as their dating/mating market value declines, I like to think of that as men having the last laugh, women getting dealt with karma by reality for their lack of initiative and passiveness towards guys, no matter how much they are attracted to those certain type of guys.

Easier said than done, it's just I wish I could remove by bitterness and resentment.

Regret, reminiscing on bad things, and wishing life were a way it is not, are total wastes of time and energy. And you're right--life isn't fair. Fair is something that comes around once a year and you can buy a ticket for $10 to ride an elephant and get your face painted.

And yet, at the same time, there is a general rule that those who really try and make an effort have the Universe on their sides, and it will set up situations and circumstances by which the person can learn what they are trying to learn IF they have the correct "learning" mentality towards the hardships and lessons that life teaches everyone. Many people call this the "Law of Attraction" (though there are other Hermetic laws at play, such as the Law of Vibration which is different but related).

Another interesting aspect of the Law of Attraction is that you attract what you put energy into. So if you spend all day hating women, you will attract circumstances which reinforce those feelings. The same is true for any other feeling, and any other people or group of people or event or circumstance.

Women have their own shit to deal with, just like men have our own shit to deal with. Nature has set up this system where those who deal with their shit earn great inner rewards for doing so, while those who wallow in it metaphorically stay stuck in their own shit.

It's time to stop feeling bad for yourself and start taking action towards what you want in life, rather than just wishing and hoping it falls into your lap.

yup, I stumbled upon this video a few months ago, it makes me laugh, lol:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-gfxjAaZg0

 

[Franco]

Gentlemen,

This is your entire problem. Because you have no process, you are not "one step ahead." You need to be a step ahead to be a good leader, because a leader naturally moves things towards the outcome(s) he has in mind. You have no outcome or process, and the women can feel the lack of leadership and it is turning them off. I went through this phase as well.

This is like taking a woman dancing...getting in position, taking her hand, putting her arm around your waist...and then....just standing there not knowing what to do.

Needless to say, that is not the kind of experience women are looking for. They like to be swept off their feet, which translated from womanese, means that the men led the dance properly and well.

I will be done in the near future with my book about getting laid the first time a girl comes over, because my process is extremely consistent (which is when seduction gets really fun). So I can't share too much just yet, however I will say this:

YOU MUST BE ONE STEP AHEAD

You must know that when you kiss her, you are going to kiss her in a certain way, which will lead to another action, then another, in a chain of events which ultimately lead to you putting your cock inside of her. Women LOVE it when a man knows what he is doing, so start mapping out your game plan ahead of time and then tweaking the process instead of just hoping things go well.

I just wanted to re-emphasize how important this aspect of "thinking one step ahead" is when moving forward with women. Even when I escalate with women, I'm not thinking about what I want to do next -- I already know what I'm going to do next. Instead, I'm accumulating all of her possible responses in my mind and deciding how I'm going to respond to each of THOSE responses she will give me when I take action. In Computer Science, they call this form of decision tree a "state" machine. Each time you take an action, you reach a new state that gives you new possible outcomes based on the action. If you already know what the possible outcomes are, then you can plan your NEXT move based on the knowledge of the future outcomes.

Using Casanova for an example, he states that he kisses a girl and wings it from there. When I "kiss" a girl during an escalation window, here is what I'm thinking:

• (1) She might resist the kiss. In this scenario, she may say something along the lines of, "wow, that was fast!" or "I'm not ready to give you that yet!" With these two responses in mind, I already know my response will be along the lines of, "well you just look so damn hot right now that I really can't help myself!"
  
  (2) She might start to kiss and then pull away shortly after we begin. In this scenario, she might say something like, "this is too fast!" or "we shouldn't be doing this." With these two responses in mind, I already know my response will be along the lines of, "oh, so would you rather play Monopoly instead? I'm sure that's MUCH more fun than what we were doing right now..." (sly smile).
  
  (3) She might be completely ready for the kiss and passionately begin to stick her tongue down my throat. In this scenario, I know it's on, and I make sure to play my hands on her body and begin feeling up and down her legs to escalate things to the next level.

This is just an example of how a well-prepared seducer thinks. He already knows the possible outcomes of his next action, so he has the NEXT response already waiting in line in his head so that the entire interaction seems fluid. The woman will be looking for pauses or confusion in your actions because that is what tells her you don't know how to lead, but if she's unable to spot any indecisiveness in your escalation, then it lets her know you are exactly the confident, leading man that she wants you to be.

Learn to train yourself to perceive future outcomes based on your reference points. The more reference points you have, the more possible outcomes you'll be aware of, and the more solutions you'll have for dealing with those situations. =)

- Franco

 

[FeelIWastedMyYouth]

Gentlemen,

This is your entire problem. Because you have no process, you are not "one step ahead." You need to be a step ahead to be a good leader, because a leader naturally moves things towards the outcome(s) he has in mind. You have no outcome or process, and the women can feel the lack of leadership and it is turning them off. I went through this phase as well.

This is like taking a woman dancing...getting in position, taking her hand, putting her arm around your waist...and then....just standing there not knowing what to do.

Needless to say, that is not the kind of experience women are looking for. They like to be swept off their feet, which translated from womanese, means that the men led the dance properly and well.

I will be done in the near future with my book about getting laid the first time a girl comes over, because my process is extremely consistent (which is when seduction gets really fun). So I can't share too much just yet, however I will say this:

YOU MUST BE ONE STEP AHEAD

You must know that when you kiss her, you are going to kiss her in a certain way, which will lead to another action, then another, in a chain of events which ultimately lead to you putting your cock inside of her. Women LOVE it when a man knows what he is doing, so start mapping out your game plan ahead of time and then tweaking the process instead of just hoping things go well.

I just wanted to re-emphasize how important this aspect of "thinking one step ahead" is when moving forward with women. Even when I escalate with women, I'm not thinking about what I want to do next -- I already know what I'm going to do next. Instead, I'm accumulating all of her possible responses in my mind and deciding how I'm going to respond to each of THOSE responses she will give me when I take action. In Computer Science, they call this form of decision tree a "state" machine. Each time you take an action, you reach a new state that gives you new possible outcomes based on the action. If you already know what the possible outcomes are, then you can plan your NEXT move based on the knowledge of the future outcomes.

Using Casanova for an example, he states that he kisses a girl and wings it from there. When I "kiss" a girl during an escalation window, here is what I'm thinking:

• (1) She might resist the kiss. In this scenario, she may say something along the lines of, "wow, that was fast!" or "I'm not ready to give you that yet!" With these two responses in mind, I already know my response will be along the lines of, "well you just look so damn hot right now that I really can't help myself!"
  
  (2) She might start to kiss and then pull away shortly after we begin. In this scenario, she might say something like, "this is too fast!" or "we shouldn't be doing this." With these two responses in mind, I already know my response will be along the lines of, "oh, so would you rather play Monopoly instead? I'm sure that's MUCH more fun than what we were doing right now..." (sly smile).
  
  (3) She might be completely ready for the kiss and passionately begin to stick her tongue down my throat. In this scenario, I know it's on, and I make sure to play my hands on her body and begin feeling up and down her legs to escalate things to the next level.

This is just an example of how a well-prepared seducer thinks. He already knows the possible outcomes of his next action, so he has the NEXT response already waiting in line in his head so that the entire interaction seems fluid. The woman will be looking for pauses or confusion in your actions because that is what tells her you don't know how to lead, but if she's unable to spot any indecisiveness in your escalation, then it lets her know you are exactly the confident, leading man that she wants you to be.

Learn to train yourself to perceive future outcomes based on your reference points. The more reference points you have, the more possible outcomes you'll be aware of, and the more solutions you'll have for dealing with those situations. =)

- Franco

looks like this was all through Practice, Franco?

 

[Franco]

FIWMY,

looks like this was all through Practice, Franco?

More or less. This website will help lay out the process for you (as well as Drexel's piece that he's working on), and from there, you just need to practice and get reference points. Which guy is going to be the one who knows what a girl will do or say next: the guy who has taken 2 women home and attempted to escalate toward sex, or the guy who has taken 100 women home and attempted to escalate to sex?

The latter guy has seen/heard many more responses from different women, so his list of "possible responses" is longer, which also means his ability to predict the woman's response and know what his response will be is much greater.

- Franco

 

[FeelIWastedMyYouth]

An Australian Dating Coach, named Dan Bacon, while he admits too that women lose their mating market value as they get older, he says that he thinks there will be a reversing aging process in the future, he said:

"On that note, I think we will that “reversing our ageing process” will be a service that will be available within the new few decades. It’s already being done successfully in the lab. In the Western countries are against it, you can bet that countries like China (who are investing billions into things like that) will begin selling it.

So, don’t go thinking that women will never get their youthful attractiveness back later."

Damn, that sounds like women really might be getting their power back in the future

 

[Motiv]

…
My father was a confident, strong, leader when he met my mother. She was used to being lead by him until she realized she wanted to make more decisions, which completely changed their relationship eventually destroying their marriage and changed him. As a result he has taken a "weaker" role in his second marriage.

My point being I grew up in a split household where my father had regressed and the other half the time I lived with my mom, and I can clearly see how that affected my development(in this department...I don't want to take anything away from how I was raised). It wasn't until college that I began to move from the position of weakness, because the soccer team I played for was very dog-eat-dog competitive.

I also grew up in a household where my parents fought frequently. Although my mother was usually a passive person, she would at times explode with fuming rage toward my father, while he would quietly smirk in a slovenly state. He could be downright creepy, such as whispering in my ear at family mall outings that we should, "go look at the pretty girls while we wait for Mom…" I never considered any of that behavior a role model for masculinity or leadership, so I turned to a mishmash of science fiction and religion for guidance (both of which had been loosely part of family life as well).

I've made peace with my parents nowadays even though they are no longer together, but my point in sharing this personal story ends with an unusual irony: I am now teaching pick-up to my own dad… Yes, you read that right. Most of the concepts that helped me get my lays are foreign to him, and he gets a genuine kick out of our phone conversations these days.

The moral of the story: some of us really do have to learn masculinity and leadership from absolute zero and even with a rather late start (I'm 36). Does not make it any less worth doing. Period. Do it for yourself and live a better life.

-M

 

[Motiv]

Franco, you have this way of explaining what I'm saying in much nicer and more newbie-friendly language. I really appreciate it and I'm sure the GC readers do as well!

The more steps ahead you are, the better. When I invite a woman out these days, I have the ENTIRE NIGHT mapped out. I know my goal and the shortest path between two points. I actually got so good at this recently that a girl kept asking me "Are you real? How are you this smooth? This is like a dream or something" so I had to introduce some "fake awkwardness" into the process to make it seem more natural.

The further ahead you plan out, the better you can calibrate your own process and decide if each individual action is leading you towards the next step in the process. Ideally, the entire process of meeting her-to-banging her is completely seamless. It's very much like being in a "flow state" for a couple hours in a row, it's truly a magical thing.

And yes, FLIWMY, you need to practice A LOT to get better, and even more than a lot to get good. I know it is a long journey, there is a reason Mystery warned people not to get on the path at all unless they planned on seeing it through to the end. It's worth it!

Drexel,

You have a way of explaining things that is exceptionally concise and thorough. Personally, I think you are nice enough to share as much of your thinking as often as you do here—some of us (myself included) need to hear the rough version of the truth at least once in a while—it truly helps. The way you delve into connecting philosophy such as Hermeticism with seduction I find especially fascinating and stimulating food for thought.

P.S. Hope I haven't come off as hijacking your thread. Here's handing it back to you if I have.

-M

 

[Motiv]

Not at all! I actually really love your quote about how it's never too late to start. That applies to many things in life.

I am really happy to hear that my work is appreciated, I consider mentoring younger/less experienced guys to be part of my Mission, in a world so deeply lacking in masculine role models and true initiatory rites into manhood the way literally all ancient cultures had.

I know I am very blunt, and I do it because I wish someone had done it for me when I was younger instead of having to figure it all out for myself! I owe huge debts of gratitude to the mentors I have sought out and found in life.

Hermeticism is a fascinating school of thought, passed down from Ancient Egypt by the god Thoth (who later became Hermes Trismegistus, and I believe was known to the South Americans as Quetzalcoatl, and to others as Kukulkan). In my opinion, one of the truly unfortunate things about modern life is that we have discarded all ancient wisdom as "the ramblings of cavemen and pre-industrial civilizations" when in fact many of the most ancient post-diluvian cultures on Earth were more technologically advanced in some ways than modern society.

They understood the fabric of the Universe in a way that our modern Quantum Physics is just barely catching up to. If you are interested in such topics, check out the Emerald Tablets and the Kybalion. Keep in mind it is actually probably older then Egypt and Greece, possibly originating in Babylon and Sumer. Good stuff for sure. The journey of trying to figure out how the hell those ancient cultures had such perfect knowledge of the movements of the stars and planets so far away, and who gave them the tools with which to measure the Earth and the heavens, is a very mind- and eye-opening path to go down.

I'm glad we're cool and happy to hear some of my saying inspires you back! I feel like I walk a fine line when it comes to offering others advice because while my specific knowledge of seduction may be rather limited, I do have experience mastering another seemingly insurmountable skill and an intimate acquaintance with the attitude and mindset of relentless pursuit that got me through that arduous process (also, something I struggled to master well after the age most consider to be too late). I also owe a huge debt of gratitude to the mentor who instilled that thinking within me. The path to mastery must be duplicable—the only major concern is measuring the sacrifice.

Thank you for the reading suggestions—will definitely check those out! I've always suspected that ancient humans possessed vast technology (and wisdom) that rivals or even surpasses what we have today. I ponder the supposed evidence of a nuclear blast in ancient India, for example, which leads me to wonder if we havn't already destroyed ourselves as a civilization once before… in which case, how advanced could we have actually been in the first place? Why has all that great knowledge and wisdom become buried in today's civilization?

I digress—don't mean to spin the wheels here. I just find it all so very fascinating to think about. In the end, it eventually becomes necessary to shelve my grand musings in favor of more immediate desires: becoming more the man I want to be right now and taking more girls to bed. That ancient knowledge always helps, especially with dissecting and understanding the emotional turmoil we as men tend to create within ourselves through our practice of seduction.

Cheers!

-M

 

[Lotus]

Just a wealth of information.

I'd be interested to hear what your top 5 reading list looks like Drexel.

 

[Lotus]

In general... And not necessarily pick up related

Just quality stuff

 

[Motiv]

I might guess you're also a fan of the works by Friedrich Nietzsche. I am. One of my favorite classical composers, Richard Strauss, was also a great fan and wrote daringly egotistical music.

P.S. So much for keeping your thread on topic… sincerely speaking, probably my greatest overall stumbling point with seduction is getting over the false notion that seduction is inherently unhealthy (or even evil)—for both man and woman. I think that hangup most likely comes from the demasculinizing effect of my religious (and American societal) upbringing, which I do work hard to correct on a daily basis.

Many thanks for that reading list, by the way. I've just downloaded The Manipulated Man and King, Warrior, Magician, Lover with The Deep Mystery on the way in paperback (absolutely cannot wait to read that).

I do take this topic very seriously and thank you for all of your valuable input, Drexel.

Cheers!

-M

 

[FeelIWastedMyYouth]

another frustration, is that seems women have more leverage than men do in the world of dating, relationships, sex