If a chick pulls me up firmly with “I’m not gonna fuck u Jim” then I smile say no worries I understand I’m just attracted to u and can’t help myself . carry on the rest of the date or else end it quickly w an excuse then disconnect and move on.
Concluding this one - I ended up interviewing this girl for an assignment. It was a plausibly deniable deep dive that focused 100% of the conversation on her motivations, done on a couch in my apartment lobby. I ended up bouncing her up and down real quick after her uber call. This was months ago. Never followed up after her Europe trip. Telling the class I approached her in public had a very apparent preselection boost on one classmate.
But I also interviewed another girl for the assignment who I ran into today. So she was a professional contact who's always had great sexual tension. We've sat legs close to touching in a cafe and always stand with faces close with her extended glances at my lips. She gave me an extremely tight hug on the sidewalk today with her family there. This was the social momentum start.
Returning to the apartment, I ran into this two year kid who asked me for a key. He'd found a keyhole in the lobby so I led him over to it and had him try a couple. I had great tension with his mom, but they were only in there warming up and there were other people in the lobby. Otherwise I could have gone direct to get a quick number.
But as I got on the elevator, this other girl who'd overheard rushed to get in with me. The mom said goodbye again from afar, and then riding up, I asked the girl if she was visiting (on her way to her brother's). It didn't matter what I'd said because she was like completely beaming. And so I asked if she was single and she said no, Happy Thanksgiving and still had this huge smile on her face.
This is where I need "the snap" to get her to exit the elevator and pull right away, but I will never have that great of a wingman again.
Luckily it seems you can rewire anchors with positive reference points. I'm definitely not making a journal before you guys start posting more reports. *** 2026-03-12 - Stopped in at Whole Foods and felt a little tinge spying the spot where I had gotten in the car with the girl last week...
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@Chase could you please clarify something... Not on this girl, but on early flirting overarching strategy...
@casey_jfly (don't get distracted by this and keep doing what you're doing) said he's working on being less "nice" and more flirty. I recommended chase frames, but then saw your X post to @Arnav (not sure if same):
Chase frames are better saved until you’ve got a decent back-and-forth with her.
10 minutes in, 20 minutes in, etc.
If you bust them out too early, before she trusts your intentions are good, she’ll throw up a wall to them.
Exception: girls who are flirtatious from the jump.
With SAC, I think Similarity requires showing some interest in her personally. Compliance is more action based interspersed, so the early verbal content if going more indirect is about Arousal?
I had boiled down flirting to "CHASE FRAMES" full stop.
Now say you did a shopping opener on a girl about her tomato sauce decision... And she's not closed off, but is maybe humorless hypothetically, so you don't want to go too hard on the jokes...
Does that mean early flirting boils down to "subtle innuendo" full stop?
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My mental conception of flirting is informed by this article:
The other day I got told I was a very good flirt. And, I suppose, I am. Of course, I wasn't always a good flirt... well, perhaps I was always at least a little bit of a flirt. What's it matter if you know how to flirt with a girl or not? In fact, it matters a good deal. Flirting is how you...
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1. Subtlety and implication
2. Wit and chase frames
Guys have been requesting for me to do a mini guide on this, so here we go: So what is flirting: "Flirting or coquetry is a social and sexual behavior involving spoken or written communication, as well as body language, by one person to another, either to suggest interest in a deeper...
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1. Chase frames
2. Grandmaster
3. Innuendo
4. Sex talk
Therefore, in the first few minutes going indirect, solving for x = subtle, witty innuendo (and maybe some extra calibrated sex talk).
So perhaps the answer is one on one day game must include direct interest fairly quickly or it falls apart. But again hypothetically if the girl is on the shy side and not responding to teasing, and you are going indirect so it's still too soon to cold read too personally (showing focused interest) and there's nothing to reward with touch yet... Does this leave situational innuendo?
Because in that case the only thing remaining I can think of is start talking sensually about peeling off some garlic layers for some sauce and engaging her emotionally, prior to micro calibrating proximity and touch, then showing some personal interest after she signals some.
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I hope this isn't too KJ mental masturbation because I do think it's a valid question about the overall strategy guiding everything.
Group A2 I can understand... DHV to the obstacles and tease the target cause you're not even engaging her fully. But one on one I'm still at a loss without going direct and giving her the power to evaluate you mostly on your fundamentals.
Can you put me up on some game or simply throw me a koan?
Subtle, deliberate sexual frames implant sexual thoughts in her head in seemingly deliberate ways, but she can't be sure it's because you want HER, rather than because it is just the way you are.
Subtle, deliberate sexual frames are a low-risk way to introduce sexuality into a courtship without sticking your neck on the line. They frame you as just a generally sexy guy. They can allow you to 'wake up' sexual feelings in women who'd otherwise resist these if you went in too overt.
In my opinion: subtle, deliberate sexual frames are the best thing to start out with, because you can easily dial them up if the girl is biting, or dial them down if she isn't.
There are a variety of tools you can use to set sexual frames. But they aren’t all best used at all the same times in a seduction. Here’s which to use and when. On one of my articles, Finegirl asks: Chase could you deepen alek's article on sexual frames where he talks about the chase frame and...
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Re: sexual game
it is during the mid-game (after you’ve hooked her in with your smooth interaction) that you really show sexual intent, although you do so lightly during the opening as well. This way you manage to make sure you get perceived as a lover without activating any anti-slut defense (like with the caveman style) while avoiding the risk of being perceived as a provider (like with the old school style) as you make sure you don’t wait too long before showing sexual intent.
When and how should you show sexual intent? Though the question may seem innocent enough, it actually is at the very core of what distinguishes the various schools of thought in seduction. Why is when and how you show sexual intent so fundamental? Because it deals with how you get a girl...
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I am all for chase frames, grandmaster, and even quite direct intent... It's really about timing though. I believe it's important to always test compliance and ramp up the heat when appropriate... And I also would like to become a better tease. I do think teasing may well become a standard feature of my seductions.
But theoretically I think at the core of it, what I really want to do is set that sexual frame through an implied sexual prizing DHV, plus general sexual vibe that's separate from projected intent. Again we're talking early game.
I hope this makes sense to anyone reading. If the light is green, you accelerate. This is about default, fallback, high odds process for girls who are not immediately smitten by the sight of you.
More for posterity and game development process (@Teevster on indirect)
It seems very few posters think in this way or even have a conception of it - mostly old school night gamers. I was hardly aware of it until @Karea Ricardus D. suggested the Venusian Arts Handbook.
The context is low momentum, rusty, head-on, daytime street stops. This is my reality (including assuming rust) and reason for low approach volume, with almost all opportunity on the sidewalk. Most girls are outside the scope of the @Ratata social momentum style when they are barreling right at you.
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Besides the asking for the time compliance opener, it seems compliments are required. So I am leaning toward the part mentioning @Razorjack - light compliment, challenge with immediate qualification, and early chase frames.
The current trend in the seduction world is direct game. This is a trend I do not follow because I believe it is nonsense. Pure direct, that is. I am not referring to a light compliment opener, followed by mixed signals to tone down the directness of the approach.
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You give her everything she wants RIGHT AWAY. She wants validation, and you are giving it to her immediately, for free
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What gets a guy laid is compliance. And compliance is NOT giving women what they want.
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If she is in attention-seeking mode, giving her that attention (through compliments and letting her know you want to sleep with her right away) will make her lose compliance. After all, you have given her what she needs; now she doesn’t need anything else from you.
Mass approaches until you find a girl who happens to find you attractive or not be in attention-seeking mode (she's very sexual or happens to be ovulating)
Pure luck
As you can see, this is not ideal, at least not for me. I prefer having a higher meet-to-lay ratio and GETTING with women I like.
Direct game (where you never conceal your interest in a girl) gets a good wrap in men's circles. Yet it never works nearly as well as its proponents advertise… Hey guys. Welcome back. Contents I. The Power Balance in Male-to-Female Interactions A. Anti-Slut Defense II. The Paradox of Direct Game...
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For our purposes, direct game is:
Interactions where your level of interest in the woman you’re talking to is obvious, and you make your intentions clear to her
You show your cards BEFORE you have secured a high level of compliance
And indirect game is:
Not showing any interest, or not showing much interest until SHE HAS SHOWN INTEREST IN YOU – not delivering the goodies until she seems compliant to you. You match the level of interest you show her to the level of compliance she has toward you
Interactions where your level of interest in her is ambiguous
When using indirect game, you can also either show occasional small hints of interest or no interest at all. So, if you approach a girl directly, you can still use indirect game. The most common way to do this is to switch between showing interest and disinterest (push/pull or chase framing).
Say you use a compliment or a statement of intent as an opener. What you’d do next is:
Start challenging her
Talk to other girls (jealousy – only doable at parties and social gatherings)
Show disinterest (switch between this and showing interest again)
Since your level of interest is unclear, this type of interaction is considered indirect game, despite the direct initial approach.
Sexual tension occurs when two people experience a connection, and a strong sexual undertone and frame permeates the interaction, yet the connection remains ambiguous between the two of you.
This ambiguity is a key ingredient (but not the only one: sexual frame and sexual subcommunication are also crucial) in building sexual tension.
By going direct, you may sexualize things quickly (and perhaps generate resistance due to anti-slut defense kicking in). However, you will kill all ambiguity and your chances of building sexual tension. In this way, you destroy the intrigue, mystery, and mystique that women find so damn sexy.
A seducer friend of mine called Chris (also known as 60 Years of Challenge) used to say that the biggest mistake men make when approaching women is extinguishing all the sexual tension that exists naturally (or could be generated naturally) between men and women.
She might've liked you. But go too direct, and you sap all the intrigue (and hence, the FUN for her) out of the seduction… right along with your chances. Hey guys. Welcome back. Contents I. Definitions: Direct vs. Indirect Game II. The Power of Ambiguity Mixed Signals Sexual Tension III. Direct...
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When you should show interest in the girl is a debated subject.
There are forms of indirect game where you use a direct opener. If she bites, you continue showing interest and seal the deal. You go full direct, and it can work sometimes, but, as we have seen, often it won’t. When the girl doesn’t immediately reciprocate the level of interest you showed with your direct approach, you switch over to showing disinterest.
I will not discuss the direct opener followed by indirect game today because this is not my style. I may have used variations of it before, but I am not a master at it (perhaps I can play around with it when things reopen).
What I will discuss is the classic or stereotypical version of indirect game. With this style, you approach indirectly and allow your level of interest to remain ambiguous, at least for the first portion of the interaction.
Why should you do this?
“Showing interest” is you giving her what she wants. So, before you give it to her, she needs to become compliant by showing interest in you. That’s a good start, especially in the earlier part of the interaction
It’s in your best interest to avoid giving her too much power and control over the interaction. And showing interest frames her as the one being chased, which will give her more control over the interaction
Consider showing interest as an invitation to sex or an invitation of potentially (with a high likelihood) having sex. This forces an ultimatum on women: reciprocate or reject. Being risk-averse, women will choose the latter unless they are almost sure you are the right guy for them. Going indirect buys you time to convey those traits that will get her to desire you and convince herself that you are the right guy for her
By not immediately showing your sexual interest in a girl, Indirect Game allows you to appear mysterious and get her to chase. Hey there. Contents 1. Defining Indirect Game 2. Indirect Game and Attention The Ignore Game 3. Indirect Game and Showing Interest When Should You Show Interest? How...
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Guys like Razorjack do this. Here, you do not necessarily wait for her to express interest or as much interest as you would when with the indirect approach. Instead, you assume attraction. You assume she is into you and start qualifying her out of the blue, either with a qualifier or a statement of interest.
You frame her immediately as her chasing you: “I really like what you just said/did; I may make you my girlfriend.” (tongue-in-cheek)
It allows you to show interest, but you keep the “conditionality.” This is crucial to maintain control over the frame as you as the prize.
A statement of interest (SOI) lets you directly state interest in a girl you like. There are pros and cons to this – yet if short on time it can be ideal. Hey guys. Welcome back. Table of Contents Statements of Interest (SOIs) A. What Does It Look Like? B. The Conditional Element C. Using...
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I will start with the original school of thought, the old-school indirect version. Qualification was a big part of the old Mystery Method, and this became a model.
Without getting into too much detail because it’s very technical and theoretical, the idea is to approach without showing interest. As you buy time by appearing uninterested, you convey attractive traits. When those traits are displayed, she will show interest, and you show return interest back. But according to Mystery Method, since you maintain the frame of being the “chased one” and come off as higher value (whoever shows interest to the other is considered lower value), you are using qualification to show interest. Your display of interest is necessary to keep the interaction moving forward and facilitates the escalation of the vibe, plus builds comfort. Both are essential phases in the Mystery Method Model (called the M3 model).
Many men who read the Mystery Method misinterpret it as the man never showing interest to the girl, but this is wrong—as wrong as those who believe indirect game means never showing interest to women; in fact, you do. The difference between indirect and direct game is not about whether you show interest or not, but when (after she has shown interest in you) and how (through qualification or physical escalation).
The second school of thought is the Razorjack Method. Razorjack is an OG like Mystery. He’s a friend and used to post on our forums. Although not as famous than the Mystery Method, the Razorjack Method has influenced many contemporary methods.
According to this method, you qualify the girl right away before she shows interest in you, usually right after the opener as a hook; or post-hook. The key is qualifying her before ensuring that she shows interest in you. This differentiates it from the Mystery Method.
If you are in high momentum and feel like you are walking on water, cut some corners with Razorjack’s way. If you are socially proofed, you can easily and rightfully assume attraction.
If you want to speed up the process and don’t mind playing it risky, go for Razorjack’s way.
On the other hand, if you do not feel great, your vibe is off, and you haven’t had much success that night, you cannot “assume attraction.” So opt for the old-school style.
Qualifying a girl is a vital courtship tool. Yet, is it better to do it early, before she’s gotten into it, or to wait until she’s more invested? Table of Contents Early Game Qualification: Two Schools of Thought A. Best Strategies Mid-to-Late Game When Should You Not Qualify? Conclusion Hey...
When and how should you show sexual intent? Though the question may seem innocent enough, it actually is at the very core of what distinguishes the various schools of thought in seduction. Why is when and how you show sexual intent so fundamental? Because it deals with how you get a girl...
Alex Rolstad says good things in that article, but one I think is relevant to a lot of what has been going on this forum lately:
Also keep in mind that these are theoretical systems. Don’t get too stuck into systems, just calibrate according to your mood and the situation you are in.
Alex Rolstad says good things in that article, but one I think is relevant to a lot of what has been going on this forum lately:
Also keep in mind that these are theoretical systems. Don’t get too stuck into systems, just calibrate according to your mood and the situation you are in.
Agreed! I believe this is what "if-then" statements are for. If calibration means adjusting a measurement instrument, then it's about adjusting depending on an input. Even the most natural game would be responding based on feelings, vibes, etc.
Unfortunately, this is exactly what makes the situation difficult. Using situational openers may be ideal, but may not be right all the time, such as with head-on sidewalk stops. In that case, the situational relevance is "I have stopped you in your path... why?" and that situation typically is because of her fashion, hair, walk, or general energy.
If her interest in you is high, most openers will work. If her interest is very high, anything will work, and she will hook easily, no matter what you open with.
Heavy screeners will opt for direct openers to screen hard for the few girls who are instantly interested from the start. It helps to filter out most women, including those with no to little interest and those with some interest but not won over yet.
Beginners favor direct game because they are still learning how to hook correctly and rely on girls that are sealed deals right away. It’s why they don’t have great meet-to-lay ratios.
The higher the interest, the more likely she will hook right away. This is why many men find it easy to maintain a conversation (and a hook) with a girl who shows significant interest in them. She is more interested in chatting with you and will let you get away with more.
Hook game is about winning over the girls who are NOT initially into you. It’s why hook game is challenging. It is a technique you need to learn.
Starting a conversation with a girl gets easier when you can hook her right at the opener. Certain openers let you do this… as can sufficient attraction. Hey guys, welcome back. Table of Contents Openers With or Without Embedded Hooks Decisive Factors Sophisticated Openers Her Initial Interest...
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Unfortunately again, I cannot find a recent X post by Chase where he said that direct openers will have a lower hook rate, but the girls who do hook will hook hard! Well, that seems because you are screening for existing initial interest. A2 complete at first sight! So of course she's going to enjoy the validation of her interest being returned in a magical encounter of happenstance.
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Another downside to indirect street stops (maybe an oxymoron! or just a moron...)
When you talk to girls, try to express yourself more. I see a lot of guys being very logical, factual, straightforward. They are monotone and not very expressive. In the early flirtation, women mirror you back. If you’re not expressive, they won’t be expressive, then you’ll think they aren’t interested. If you want to elicit a strong, good reaction from her, EXPRESS. Put a little emotion into what you say. Let her feel you have some excitement about her. If you’re not excited about her, what are you talking to her for? Talk to girls you’re excited to talk to, & let them see and FEEL it.
However, even Chase has to warm up from rust or low momentum by starting with eye contact and smiling. Karea also considers these practically impossible while rusty (or a similar sentiment). Ratata says he doesn't even really do these.
Most unfortunately, multiple decades of stuttering is a level of rust that can't be shaken off with three warmup approaches.
I am damn sure I can get decent at direct compliments, but it's not ideal as a default skill set for Mr. Bean (a mute - for those not old enough to remember) when his environmental reality is on the sidewalk.
So perhaps I will have to try 300 compliance openers, asking for the time. I think I'm 15% done with 100% compliance, but will have to start over since I've essentially always ejected after.
Not hitting the right notes with your cold approach? You're not alone. Most men are using boring, low-effort openers with a weak vibe that gets them rejected ev
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The above would fulfill her fantasy of being desired. His vibe there is obviously good because it makes me feel uncomfortable as a straight guy lol. But would it work on a woman with a bitch shield up from already being cat called a few times that day?
Again... Mr. Bean needs a slightly different skill set so he can open the first girl he sees and achieve a consistent meet-to-lay ratio that does not rely on luck.
So, what time is it [Mr. Wolf]? (only you might know the voice of Wolfman Jack):
I've been told directly that my presence here does not add value, that no one wants to hear it, and to take it elsewhere.
I was surprised to see myself still labeled as a forum member in the article and expected the "you do not have privileges to post here" message. I am also consciously adding time before reading messages as to not feed my addiction.
Surefire ways are exactly the ticket here - high odds, replicable game. I can't imagine anything could fracture my trust in your guidance. It will be a long road ahead, but can you imagine if I had to field test to figure everything out from scratch? I would have married practically as a virgin instead of running out of days to schedule all my girlfriends. Merci fucking beaucoup indeed, Chase.
There’re more ways to arouse women than just touch and talk. In this guide, I give you the full spectrum of tools you can use to generate AROUSAL in her. Arousing women is an area a lot of guys really struggle with. Well, all guys struggle with all aspects of SAC. But today we’ll talk about...
Hotel lobby cafe: walked in slowly, looking up at the atrium ceiling. Continued in and turned toward the bar, where she was standing facing the door and waved. I gave her an up-nod across the lobby, and our eye contact broke at a pillar. Coming around it, I turned and walked toward her, as she brushed her hair back twice.
I was neutral emotionally after the work day and said hi, good to see you, and hugged her. I then leaned against the bar, turned toward her, as she stood next to it facing me. We then engaged in some talk about the building that connected to her work, which Juggler would have slapped me for. It hit a nerve (neutral emotion) at the end though, for a redacted reason.
She paid for my tea, saying because I came down to meet her, showing a pleasurable smirk in securing my investment. I'd previously invited her to go grocery shopping, explaining the time distortion memory effect on trust while safely arriving through several stops. When she countered with coffee, I invited her over with a picture of pour-over coffee with a bag from her country of origin I happened to have. The thin plausible deniability was essentially a statement of intent.
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Anyways, so she asks where I want to sit (she had enjoyed me leading her to grab us a seat in the past). I led her to a couch, and she pointed suggesting two chairs separated by a table - I think as a test because another time I had sat next to her in a booth (and we are "friends"), which surprised her. So after I sat down, she took another couch at a right angle. I said it was too far. She said too far? (neutrally). Instead of risking failed compliance, I moved next to her, which was important and paid off, as throughout the interaction she was turned into me and incidentally bumping arms. At one point I noticed something around her wrist and interrupted her in curiosity to grab it, which she seemed to enjoy.
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Early in the conversation she dropped that she's been seeing someone for a year who has been in a few long term relationships. I get the sense she dates guys who would check a lot of boxes over me, which is why slipping in the back door as the lover's an important strategy, regardless of which route you ultimately want with the particular person. They are in couples therapy and have a specific far-out end date clause to their relationship, but she said it could end sooner. Apparently they fought just last night. She had sent some uncharacteristically excited texts about meeting, and took the initiative to confirm the time and place last night and beforehand today.
During today's date, I explained satisficing, mate market assessment, the typical timing and gender roles in progressing a relationship, and the difference in brain structure between men and women that affects how we process emotions. Instead of describing emotions to her, I had her describe her emotions to me, and specifically regarding her emotions about other emotions. These were deeply personal emotions I cannot share, and it had an immediately apparent effect on her, which I've never seen in her before, being a composed professional woman (with radiant energy). She enjoyed it very much and confirmed in the affirmative.
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Throughout the conversation, I told the story of a recent handwritten letter I received a photo of (in discussing relationship progression) and that I had pulled her in fifteen minutes, cuddling (in discussing sex psychology), a sidewalk approach that went from giddy voice notes to screaming voice notes (in discussing the importance of not texting for important conversations), and a theory about how my early porn habits shaped some preferences, including that it's long out of my life. So yes, she knows I have sex. She multiple times accepted the frame of men and women being opposite and complementary, like yin and yang.
I noticed her body language mirror mine a couple times, with how she placed her arms and hands. I did not answer how many girlfriends I have.
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She had a couple things on her calendar for the evening as always. As we left, she suggested that we go for a walk sometime. I said I'd take her to a certain far spot we had discussed before, but that her "partner" (as she put it) wouldn't like it. She expressed remorse that she has to be careful with his feelings. She reiterated the request. She's a city dweller, so maybe I'll still drive her to a closer nature trail... We spoke about how I go to multiple venues when out at night.
She was in a giddy mood I'd never seen, and the entire time we were walking out (a good while), she had the side of her body pressed completely into mine. As we parted and hugged, I went to kiss her on the cheek, and she by chance went for mine on the other side at the exact same time. Neither of us had done that before. She had an unusually sly smile as I said good luck (I suppose with the couples therapy) and I'd talk to her soon.
My default was to disconnect it from her descriptors here, but I'm fairly certain her boyfriend's not a Girls Chase reader. If he is, then he needs a kick in the pants anyways.
Anyways, I typically tease at work a lot. I had a young C-suite assistant ask me out a couple weeks ago (dangerous). A married coworker used to leave me baked goods on my desk a couple times a week (for maybe a good year or so?) until I shut her down a little.
As seen from my limited approach experience, I am firmly in the could-be-much-better-at-teasing camp. However, I am not in the man-to-woman camp. I'm in the woman-to-man camp. It's a fun camp.
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So before I read the article, I scrolled the list to find which ones could work with indirect game before getting strong indicators of interest. I stopped at #7, and then scrolled again and saw my name there lol. I want to emphasize that despite the friction of my stutter, I absolutely do want to get good at direct game, and I see teasing as telegraphing interest when one-on-one.
However, I see that as one tool for the box and not the default. I once read Teevster wrote that skill is measured by your abilities when state is low and conditions are unfavorable. Teasing is very state-dependent for me. I'd like to have to not rely on it when not in a jovial mood to bust her balls. I also really enjoy the covert aspects and creating an intense, erotic thriller vibe. Last week, I was called "enchanting".
Setting sidewalk stops aside, let's say you're in a sitrel set. Here is an infield video you posted on the forum once of Mystery:
I should note here that this is A3. The girl is absolutely already interested in him at this point, and he asked her what she does for fun just after 0:35. She may be uncompliant and not yet qualifying herself, which means he's using IOD's.
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So under arousal #7, there's a link from post #44 here. Meaning for indirect game, I'm back to subtle innuendo, ideally with some implied prizability. I think a sex talk gambit might be a little much for the first 30 seconds in a grocery aisle (or maybe not... guess I should test it), so it seems I may need to read a little bit about hook game (which I see as end A1 social hook point, and then end A2 get strong IOI's).
Most importantly, I need to go frolic in the field and play around a little... and then crank it.
Update: she reached out (I found out later they had another big fight). She biked a bit of a distance to a park near me. She's vegan and I ate ripped off pieces of steak with my hands in front of her for the first few minutes sitting on a bench.
We strolled around the area under large shady trees looking at old buildings, talking about personal topics. She brushed some stuff from the trees off my shoulder.
We went to a store and she grabbed a bunch of her favorite chips, saying "one's for you". We went up to my rooftop and swapped some sex stories. She tried to have a one night stand once, telling him that's all it would be, and the guy somehow put his number in her phone while she was sleeping. Girl's really beautiful, artistic, and intelligent...
She knows I'm dating a few girls and was brushing up against me again. I asked if her boyfriend dances like she does and she responded by saying he was out of town and would be home that night. It made no logical sense and most of the time felt like I could have just grabbed and kissed her.
I've never been in a cheating situation before and am not really interested in it with someone who is talking to doctors with her guy about having kids together. She said things could end with them any time. We tipped over 10 hours now, but it's been over years. It doesn't feel friend zoned and actually is like a kicked up vibe since running into her in the grocery store.
It was a decent C3 and the early frame announcement's pretty set for what we would be, if anything. I think that clarity helps her as someone who has guys falling for her a lot. Like our ability to connect doesn't complicate it emotionally because she knows I'm seeing other people and it's the opposite of suffocating. Breath of fresh air.
On the way down I told her about something relevant to a personal interest of hers that my neighbor had told me. A minute later, we ran into that neighbor by chance and talked to her for a bit. This put her in a really happy mood.
At her bike, something minor happened and she said I am her lucky charm. She asked expectantly about seeing each other again. Attainability seems ideal for the level I am willing to take it at the moment. Maybe she wanted me to force her exit from the relationship that isn't right. I am ok with that if she is one foot out, but currently there is a possibility that my move would influence whether a child's ultimately born. Regardless of my thoughts on the health and potential of her relationship, I am keeping interest a little under hers instead of leading it forward into cheating. It will have to be her tipping point before I guide her over the edge.
Her: Made it home! Thanks for a fun hang beautiful day for a walk
Her boyfriend will probably not hear about the patio part if he asks about her day.
Might have one or two more encounters of potential remaining, depending how spread out.
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beautiful day for a walk 
