what makes someone advanced?

[naturalmikey]

100% agree with this statement But the many different types of MAYBE girls contradicts your previous statement, "i don’t see the point in spending time in long sets running verbals on maybe girls when there are so many yes girls". Maybe if your really good looking most of the hot girls you interact with will be instant YES girls. But my experience is that most of the girls I'm interested in will be in the MAYBE category. Just different flavors.

How I separate the MAYBEs from the YES, is that I look at her and ask myself either before or after opening her (internally), "Is she sexually attracted to me?" If yes then she's a YES. If no, but she's receptive to me then she's a MAYBE.

This solves the mystery on the super friendly but not sexually attracted to me (yet) girl and the bitchy but not telling me to fuck off/giving me anything to work with (NO) girl.

love me some bitchy girls. they’re the maybe girls i do like. never really put this much thought into it. but you never know if they’re the frame control nightmare feminists, mean attention whores, highly disagreeable by nature, or the ones i love the girl who is bratty to guys she has a crush on. i have so much fun just berating each other and the back and forth frame grabs. the sex is phenomenal 9/10 times.

i am good looking but not the kind of good looking that has girls throwing themselves at me. a lot of girls do make it very easy on me and tell me i’m hot and shit. but i’m far from male model. just the archetype that many women consider “they’re type.”

and i have lots of experience with maybe girls. it’s not like i don’t talk to them. i just don’t spend a lot of time in set. also, between 2016-2018 i wasn’t getting a lot of yes girls and maybes were my bread and butter.

 

[Hue]

Knowing that women are not princesses, they want to get fucked hard, are the passive sex isn't a mark of an advanced player. Anyone who's been in the community for more than 2 years should know this as common knowledge and should not be treating women like princesses, be fucking them hard, take an active role in being the one that makes shit happen. Reference experience should only serve to reinforce these ideas but understanding these principes isn't what separates intermediates from advanced guys.

Not my point.

My point is that advanced guys know the depth of women's behaviors extended from these principles.

The principles are easy, but identifying specific behaviors that occur as a result of say, the passivity of women, is developed over time, and takes more experience.

There's also the emotional maturation that you need with, for example, knowing that a girl you are into and currently seeing could get piped up by Brad Pitt tomorrow. You can be aware of all these principles, but still not have come to terms with them emotionally. That maturation separates intermediates from advanced, and that's what I'm saying here.

Intermidates and advanced guys know how girls view them immediately. Then adjust their game accordingly. The difference is advanced guys are more consistent with girls that dont make it easy for them than intermidates. That's it. Both can close YES girls with relative ease. None go around kissing girls at random times. If you still find yourself doing this then you may not be intermidate yet lol.

Well, yea. Advanced guys have probably gotten laid more than intermediates, and more consistently (and that will include using game to get MAYBE girls, and the confidence that comes with knowing you can get them). Duh lol.

I'm not disagreeing with your model, @Velasco. My post was about WHY they get laid more (and as a response to you - why they are able to convert MAYBE into YES), which in my opinion boils down to having a trained eye, a trained hand, and a trained mind when it comes to women and seduction.

The forced kiss thing was to draw a contrast between someone who's still learning and someone who's accomplished and having learned a great deal. It allows the explanation to have imagery and connect the ideas. ;-*


Hue

 

[naturalmikey]

@Hue yeah being an authority in her world. here are some other common things about really beautiful girls:

they get excluded by other girls
they are very lonely
no one treats them like normal people
their mothers fuck with them mentally and emotionally

understanding how lonely these 8+ chicks are really helps with them. i’ve found the best game to run on the hottest girls is treating them like normal people. they don’t get that very often.

theres a very human level to my game. maybe mastering rehearsed material to manipulate women is better game. but my game gets results with very beautiful women in a way that doesn’t feel as contrived. and look i use lines and shit. i just focus a lot on natural communication and connection. i like to get to know people.

but i agree. you can’t just read theory on the internet and expect to know women. that’s like thinking you could read the label on a bottle of vodka and get drunk. like most things in life it comes down to experience.

 

[Grand Pooba]

I think it makes a guy advanced when he has a really good understanding of how women thing and operate, combined with having a efficient system for pursuing/bedding the women he is attracted to and interested in quickly and smoothly. It's the ability to understand the system and women, consistently shift back into the system at will (we all have periods where we get sidetracked), and then consistently bed desirable women.

There are all sorts of means for doing this, so I think online systems have merits as much as cold approach methods do - but I'd say the quality is vastly different depending on what system you choose.