What's the next step?

[Penguin]

Texted last night to arrange date number 2 (dinner date), and she hasn't replied to it. I know that the unsuccessful escalation has probably cost me my chance with her, but it wouldn't hurt to persist (not chase) for just a bit longer and see if I can somehow salvage it. What would be the best next move?:

1. Text after tomorrow suggesting a different date idea (DVD at my place)
2. Phone call
3. Accidentally run into her at a nightclub when I'm there with my attractive female friend (my ex)
4. Wait a few weeks and then send an ice-breaker text saying sorry I haven't been in touch because I was caught up with stuff, then suggest a catch-up
5. Something else you can think of?

Thanks

 

[brunomcf]

I'm not the most experienced person to help you but, stick sth like option 4.
Or for example as u are prolly running into her in classes, just say hi like nothing is going on, and see if she mentions your text.

If not, I'd just say just not that much into you anymore and u need to get back the atraction.

Once again, I'm a newbie, and u should get better advice.

good luck

 

[Penguin]

I'm not the most experienced person to help you but, stick sth like option 4.
Or for example as u are prolly running into her in classes, just say hi like nothing is going on, and see if she mentions your text.

If not, I'd just say just not that much into you anymore and u need to get back the atraction.

Once again, I'm a newbie, and u should get better advice.

good luck

Really wish I could run into her in class but the course has finished . There's a chance we might end up being employed by the same company though in which case I will see her in a couple of months. Right now I'm thinking any more texts would be construed as me chasing. I'm going to try going to her favourite nightclub with two hot female friends to give me even more social proof (got a lot of that on the course) and hopefully she will see me there. I won't mention the text or the date, but be warm to her and then leave, before texting the next day to suggest a meet-up. If any of you experts think that there's a non-chasing way that I can text her though, I'd like to hear it .

It's truly awful having last minute resistance mess things up for me (and her), so if any other beginners are reading this, take note of the following:

- Assume that the first time you're in bed with her is literally the only chance you will get for intercourse
- Women feel negatively judged by society for having sex with men quickly
- If she says 'no', but doesn't get up and leave, you can assume that she secretly is willing to have sex
- It can take a few hours of persistence to get through her defences
- Have rest gaps of a few minutes between refusals
- Remain confident, amused and unphased, with witty comebacks prepared for her objections - "Do you think we should play chess instead?"
- Be passionate and stimulate her sexually to the point that she is so turned on that she ignores her logical objections and goes for it
- If she won't let you touch her vagina, put one of your legs between hers to rub against it, or slide your hand down the back of her underwear and keep going to get her vagina from behind
- If she is shy about nakedness, get her under the duvet and turn off the lights
- If you have a date coming up soon, make sure you fully understand how to overcome last minute resistance so all of your efforts getting the date and taking her home are not wasted

 

[Franco]

Hey Penguin,

- Assume that the first time you're in bed with her is literally the only chance you will get for intercourse
- Women feel negatively judged by society for having sex with men quickly
- If she says 'no', but doesn't get up and leave, you can assume that she secretly is willing to have sex
- It can take a few hours of persistence to get through her defences
- Have rest gaps of a few minutes between refusals
- Remain confident, amused and unphased, with witty comebacks prepared for her objections - "Do you think we should play chess instead?"
- Be passionate and stimulate her sexually to the point that she is so turned on that she ignores her logical objections and goes for it
- If she won't let you touch her vagina, put one of your legs between hers to rub against it, or slide your hand down the back of her underwear and keep going to get her vagina from behind
- If she is shy about nakedness, get her under the duvet and turn off the lights
- If you have a date coming up soon, make sure you fully understand how to overcome last minute resistance so all of your efforts getting the date and taking her home are not wasted

This is a good list here. Ironically, when I first started getting women back to my place on the first date, these are all things that I actually knew about. But, you don't truly realize how important all of these things actually are until a new girl leaves your place once (or possibly a few times), and you never see her again.

The first few times you try to escalate with a girl, the thoughts going through your head are going to be things such as:

• "Maybe she doesn't really want this yet... maybe I'll wait?"
  "What will she think if I try to take her pants off? Maybe it's not a good idea..."
  "If I put her hand on my cock, it might totally freak her out... right?"

And then once you've actually DONE a few of these things and have had success bedding a few girls, then the next time you're in bed with a new girl, you start thinking like this:

• "She's still here... I know she wants sex. I just need to be patient."
  "Her pants are still on... this is getting in the way! I gotta get her more turned on so I can unbutton them and try to slip them off."
  "This girl is giving me some heavy LMR! There's no WAY I'm letting her go yet -- she's too hot! It's time for Plan C: the ol' hand on the cock trick!"

When you actually try these things, you just have to remember that the girl's reaction may seem like she's shocked or upset, but as long as you remain congruent and see it as more of a "game" and "fun amusement" (and continue to frame it that way), she will most likely accept your frame and possibly even laugh afterward. Do this enough times and she eventually won't be able to resist.

Keep on truckin'!

- Franco

 

[charming]

Hey Penguin,

This is a good list here. Ironically, when I first started getting women back to my place on the first date, these are all things that I actually knew about. But, you don't truly realize how important all of these things actually are until a new girl leaves your place once (or possibly a few times), and you never see her again.

The first few times you try to escalate with a girl, the thoughts going through your head are going to be things such as:

• "Maybe she doesn't really want this yet... maybe I'll wait?"
  "What will she think if I try to take her pants off? Maybe it's not a good idea..."
  "If I put her hand on my cock, it might totally freak her out... right?"

And then once you've actually DONE a few of these things and have had success bedding a few girls, then the next time you're in bed with a new girl, you start thinking like this:

• "She's still here... I know she wants sex. I just need to be patient."
  "Her pants are still on... this is getting in the way! I gotta get her more turned on so I can unbutton them and try to slip them off."
  "This girl is giving me some heavy LMR! There's no WAY I'm letting her go yet -- she's too hot! It's time for Plan C: the ol' hand on the cock trick!"

When you actually try these things, you just have to remember that the girl's reaction may seem like she's shocked or upset, but as long as you remain congruent and see it as more of a "game" and "fun amusement" (and continue to frame it that way), she will most likely accept your frame and possibly even laugh afterward. Do this enough times and she eventually won't be able to resist.

Keep on truckin'!

- Franco

#MassiveValue

Penguin, everything Franco just said is GOLD. Make everything into a game. My most recent Field Report echoes Franco's advise: FR+++: Online Date HB8 Brunette and ripe melons