What's your fashion?

[Estate]

Worst advice ever. LAST???
Law of least effort...? Why make things hard on yourself?

But hell in PUA-land... dress like shit as long as you know the Cube routine, right?

Estate,

If clothes and style was all it took to get women then we'd all be as good as you, right?

Who ever said it was ALL it took? The thread was on mens style... I am ATTEMPTING to continue the relevant conversation.

But seriously... look... George Clooney can wink at a girl and get her wet. He has style, power, status, and some of the most ridiculous non-verbals of any guy out there. It's a whole package, and you KNOW this Z, so trying to make your point towards me by hijacking the thread with useless input is not helping anyone.

On the topic though... I'm sorry but telling a guy that having any sort of sense of style was LAST on the list is just ridiculous. Nobody says you have to walk around in Armani suits all day, but this is the typical nonsense that I can go to any other PUA forum on the net and read but there's a reason I stopped reading those a long time ago but actually enjoy coming here. The whole thing is a package... so if you wear your Armani suit but can't talk to women... you won't get laid... if you CAN talk to women, but dress like shit and don't groom yourself in any way... will you get laid? Sure... but I'm betting the quality of who you are laying will really be lacking compared to what it COULD be otherwise. Infact it goes right up near the top because 99% of guys just don't give a crap how they dress, even without changing anything else, this one thing is EASY to fix and you can do it in minutes.

One of the MAIN principles taught on this site is the Law of Least effort... make things EASIER on yourself. Guys just get so fixated with "Oh hey, I just learned this new routine, now I have to prove a point by getting the girl while dressed in a tutu, standing on my head with a dildo in my ear as long as I deliver my routine right"... just to prove some morbid point.
WHY MAKE IT SO HARD???
If you can get average girls doing that ridiculous crap, imagine the type of girls you'd get by taking care of the rest of the package...

Contrary to popular PUA opinion. Looks DO matter. Or presentation is the more accurate word to use.



And just to sign off... ripping on my "success" because I have an opinion about something? If you have a point, feel free to PM me instead of hijacking a thread. I have no complaints with my success but also have no need or desire to rub it in anyone's face, it's my personal life. Maybe the difference is I admit to having good days and bad, I'm only human and if something goes bad, I'll ask questions to get it right. If something goes good, I'll ask questions to make it GREAT... and lastly... I don't post FR's because they are personal and don't serve to help anyone, just stroke ego. I only post on topics that I can offer an opinion on based on actual experiences I've had over time. I wouldn't give advice or suggest someone do something I had not tested myself.

 

[Richard]

Estate,

Did I say you were bad with women, or did I say you didn't know your shit when you spoke?

The way you made it seem though is that you need an Armani suit to pull 10s, and without having impeccable fashion then you're a fucking fish out of water when in reality all you gotta do is not look ugly.

Tools advice isn't wrong, the clothes don't make the man (and by you saying that's the worst advice), then its logical to conclude that you're saying clothes do make the man. Clothes are only a small portion of what's necessary in this skill. Guys should focus on fundamentals and the "skill" portion before really cracking down on fashion.

I see the point you're making though, that clothes are an easy fix, and they make things easier... but when you add something to a building with no foundation it crumbles.

All that aside however, I always felt that you had a problem with me, not the other way around.

Cheers.

 

[Estate]

Estate,

Did I say you were bad with women, or did I say you didn't know your shit when you spoke?

The way you made it seem though is that you need an Armani suit to pull 10s, and without having impeccable fashion then you're a fucking fish out of water when in reality all you gotta do is not look ugly.

Tools advice isn't wrong, the clothes don't make the man (and by you saying that's the worst advice), then its logical to conclude that you're saying clothes do make the man. Clothes are only a small portion of what's necessary in this skill. Guys should focus on fundamentals and the "skill" portion before really cracking down on fashion.

I see the point you're making though, that clothes are an easy fix, and they make things easier... but when you add something to a building with no foundation it crumbles.

All that aside however, I always felt that you had a problem with me, not the other way around.

Cheers.

Z, as I said, feel free to take it to PM if there is a problem.
Your last post I interpreted as you calling me out passive aggressively as has happened in several threads. If there was another way of interpreting it, it clearly went over my head.
Feel free to continue if it makes you feel better, but if/when it happens, I'll call the person out on it, at least stand by your convictions and not backtrack, if that is your opinion.

I am posting about Mens Fashion in the Mens Fashion thread. Of course we are highlighting the benefits and ways to use it to our advantage. If style or fashion is not your thing or part of your game, feel free to skip this thread.
It's like arguing with a child.... I could equally go to a thread about Openers and criticize those people posting in those threads that they are only talking about Openers and clearly think "that's all they need"... or do the same with any other thread or topic. You clearly know that's not what anyone was saying so this argument is just pointless.

 

[Richard]

Oh, no. I was calling you out passive agressively. But that didnt mean I was aiming at your ability with women ( as you became defensive about).

Anyhow, we seem to disag saree on most matters, and that's good and fine. I do what works for me, and you do the same. Should I ever feel the need to PM you, I'll graciously accept your open invitation to do so.

Til then,

-Zphix

 

[PinotNoir]

style doesnt make the man....all i wear .jeans. skin tight shirt.how ever the fuck my hair looks when i get up. then i let my muscles and nat looks do the talking.......style should be last on priorities....

I hate to get all philosophical here, but technically, that is a fashion A skin tight shirt is a decision not to wear a loose shirt and to emphasize your good looks (fashion is to enhance), and I bet your jeans are tight too. Also, you probably got a nice haircut that looks good even after waking up (e.g., no cowlick). And just like with fashion, muscles take time and money to obtain. However, I will admit that muscles are a more longterm gain, while fashion can be done quicker but without as much longterm reward. There are pros and cons to each.

Technically, any clothes are a fashion or a style, and I'm not trying to create an argument, simply discuss. Heck, even nudity is a fashion statement haha.


Both sides (Z/Estate) have good points, and I'm sure agree that no one element makes a sexy man, as has already been said by both of them. Some people just like to focus on different areas in their life.

As far as general looks, I'm a runner (currently). Personally, I don't wish to gain bulks of muscle (as it slows me down), so I won't win there. And unfortunately, the girls that I'm attracted to admire a man that looks sharp. I don't go over the top and wear tuxedos everywhere (I don't even own one), but I accept reality that it's one element to improve. And, as I have studied and bought into fashion, I actually enjoy it. Sometimes looking good just makes me feel good -- like a stud muffin. Even if it was or wasn't the fashion, it has made my approaches more confident and makes me feel that women are warmer to me, much like learning/using strong eye contact, slower movements, and pre-opening. If I can approach her and she talks back, then it has done its job there. But I realize, then it's my job to continue conversation successfully. And if I fail, it's the conversation that I need to work on, not my fashion.

A beginner shouldn't come to this thread first (out of all of the other great threads and articles), but it's definitely something worth discussing and investing in, in my opinion.


PrettyDecent,

I'm loving the look, man. You remind me of Andrew Stockdale from Wolfmother with that hair and aussie look He has a great way of enhancing traits that other people may not find attractive, like that curly hair. You did a good job with the facial hair. Stockdale just lets it grow wild and adds the sideburns to draw it out. The vest, rolled-up sleeves, and watch are great. The fabric on that vest looks cools; is that made in some special way or is that just the camera? My only complaint is the belt. I'm not a fan of the weird 2 shape, but that's why everyone has their own fashion so that they can express themselves individually.

 

[Estate]

PinotNoir,

You're spot on. If on the topic of "What style do women like" then there's no formula. You dress (and adopt your persona, attitude, lifestyle, etc...) to the type of women you like if you want maximum success.
i.e. Deep-dive a career women about her aspirations for the future and her career but doing the same with an artist or hipster or some other sort of girl is probably not the right approach. You need to take the topic elsewhere.

Where I live now is a huge sports city. To be honest, a lot of guys go for the sports shirt, backwards cap, etc, look... It's a style, and it works for them. Girls dig it.

On the flip side of the coin, what I consider to be my "10" may not be what someone else does. I work in Finance and tend to go for women who do too. Sporting the look above will be an instant turn off, going for a more clean and crisp style is MY preference. And it's so easy to win here. Most of the guys in my office and those surrounding wear business casual as if dressed by their mom. Ill-fitting button downs, over-sized slacks. A little attention to fit here alone is an instant win. It DOES matter.

Funny you should mention running. I'm also a runner. A few months ago a invested in some decent running wear. I used to just run in whatever old T's I had lying around. I'm not stopping to pick up anyone when I'm training but it's funny how many looks you get when women see a guy being fit and active and in the process actually accentuating his decent body instead of hiding it even if you are all hot and sweaty

In college, my university was big on Rugby. The guys who scored tended to be guys with that looks, a lot of upper-body strength, very fitted sports shirts but mainly Canterbury's on bottom or a pair of Stan Smiths. It's not winning and fashion awards but it showed off what they had and it worked.

It's totally down to environment and who you are going for. For example, where my apartment is, there is a pretty bit "hipster community. To be honest, I stand out a mile. Probably not in a good way though as Z mentioned. But I don't go for their look and they don't go for mine, which is perfectly fine. If I was more into meeting those girls, I could change it up, but it's not my own style.

Can only repeat over and over though... you can't change physical facial features, you can change all your fundamentals but it takes time and practice, talking to women becomes habit after doing it but this is a QUICK win. Mainly because 90% of guys out there make it so easy for you to stand out...

Standing out in my book, doesn't mean traditional "peacocking" by being over the top... you can literally wear what every other guy around you does, but get a nice fitted clothes from Zara or something instead of the same cheaper and not well fitted look from Target. It does wonders. You are dressed appropriately for your environment but the people you aspire to, will notice that "this guy gets it". While I wouldn't go on the Mystery method boards and promote THIS particular style, I think it fits well with the ethos of GC. Often characters like James Bond are used as role models over say... David Blain or Carrottop or something like that.

 

[PinotNoir]

I just wanted to make a small mention from Chase's article on fashion, which I completely forgot about. He actually doesn't suggest Express, but that's what I've been buying lately haha. But, I think it just shows that it's dependent on where you live. In the article, he mentions that every guy wears them, while it's scarce where I live. Hopefully, when I move, it's still scarce. At least, I can rest easy in the fact that they're tight-fitting.

I think the dressing in Contrasts and having Layers are some great tips from that article, which I need to start doing more. Right now, I live in a warmer climate, so I usually don't layer that much.

Anybody know of some light, summer coats? I think I've even seen people wear light scarves in the heat. And of course, I can always add an undershirt.

 

[trashKENNUT]

Hello everyone,

I wanted to note, A lot of the guys here might miss it, in case.

There's a saying, "It's not what you wear, It's how you wear it."

and "how you wear it" means you wear your clothes that is suited to the demographics of the people there, but you are able to alter a few things and put something and make it yours or make it refresh. "Something" means a tie, a shoe or a cap, a flower, or anything you can think of.

Zac

 

[Estate]

Pinot,
It depends what sort of coats or weather you're looking at.

I bought 2 sports coats/blazer last Spring which I've used a lot. Much lighter than a coat but work really well for putting a shirt under if going out or just a colored v-neck if I'm going casual.
H&M sell some really good fitted ones off the rack for about $60 if your budget is not huge, in black/grey/navy. Plain with no flashy features so you can pair them with anything.
Good for when it's too hot for a full coat and you can wear them indoors on a night out without being too out of place.

Depends on your style, one with slightly "thicker/heavier" material look good but I've seen lots for $200+ which have a terrible cut off the rack. Same as with a suit really, if it hasn't got a tailored look, it's gonna make you look out of shape, but at least that's one suggestion that's worked for me.

Stores like H&M, TopShop, Jack & Jones are pretty good for casual zip up coats. Most of them are too light for warm conditions, they're only for fashion really but also look good layered if you're going for a casual look with jeans under and sneakers. Have a look there.

It's great if you can afford high end stuff but lets be honest, for most of us, those things are a treat rather than our normal go-to stores so the places above have worked well for me in terms of high-street stores.

I admit though, as you mentioned from Chase's article, it's good to find a store not that popular in your area.
In my hometown, if you wear J&J, you're guaranteed 3 other guys at the bar are wearing the same shirt... but where I live now, there's no J&J stores so it looks good and is more unique.
H&M is a decent substitute at least for buying staples, not your whole wardrobe, it's a more European style most American guys don't seem to go for around here.

 

[PinotNoir]

Thanks Estate! I'll check those stores out. H&M sounds good; I like the European slim cut style if I can find them.

Yeah, it's true that it's still a luxury and not something that I can afford to throw money on every week, but as long as you have a budget for each month, then it's really not too bad. If you don't have a house bill (or something similar) and a good job, it's definitely reasonable to spend a bit more on clothes than the average joe.

 

[TheWiseFool]

I've been complimented numerous times on my sense of fashion/clothing style. I dress sort of like early 1960s Steve McQueen/James Bond whenever he isn't in a suit (Google "Steve McQueen lookbook" or check out: http://www.gq.com/style/profiles/201305/steve-mcqueen-look-book#slide=1). Not sure if most of you consider his style sexy, but I've always wanted to dress this way ever since I was a little kid.

I certainly suggest checking http://us.nextdirect.com/en/men, affordable for the prices that I've compared from researching EXTENSIVELY. Go to men's -> Collections and then just look at the different stuff.

- The Wise Fool

P.S. I totally agree with H&M being a great place to get clothes. Affordable and it looks nice, plus they are environmental friendly

 

[Supah]

The Wise fool

I think he has a very nice style, and its definitely sexy. Of course a little adaptation to the way we dress today is sometimes necessary but i think most of his style is very nice and 'in' today.

-Supah

 

[PinotNoir]

I just discovered this site today and wanted to share it:

http://lookbook.nu/

There's a lot of crap, but it's got a lot of different looks with a good diversity of ethnicities, so I always end up seeing something I like.

Click on Hot and filter on Guys, or just do a search.

What's great is that it tells you the brand of everything that a person wears in a picture.

http://lookbook.nu/look/5323078-Ralph-Lauren-Shirt-Jack-Jones-Bermuda-Playhat

http://lookbook.nu/look/5835939-Topman-Blazer-H&M-Floral-Tie-Sky-And-Sand

http://lookbook.nu/look/5838715-Zara-Blazer-Overlaps

http://lookbook.nu/look/5591929-Norse-Projects-Wool-Cap-Rayban-Original-Wayfarer

For the below, I don't like the jeans, but the shoes and jacket are nice.

http://lookbook.nu/look/1757380-Shades-Of-Grey-Military-Button-Jacket-H&M-Monochrom

 

[Ross]

To answer the original post,

These days I wear a nice crewneck sweater and some decent sweatpants. "Why sweatpants of all things?" Well, most pants are way too small on my legs, and I like to be lazy and just wear those so I just have to take off my sweater when I want to workout at the gym. I wear a nice pair of jeans that aren't as comfortable to wear on non-workout days.

@Pinot I posted about this website earlier this week as well. Pretty good website for understanding what women like as they get to rate guys up.

 

[PinotNoir]

@Pinot I posted about this website earlier this week as well. Pretty good website for understanding what women like as they get to rate guys up.

I hadn't noticed the rating ability; that's awesome.

What thread did you post it in? I completely missed it.