When it is okay to lie to girls

[Mr.Rob]

I think outright lying to women, or anyone for that matter, is wrong and breaks the links in your integrity as a man.

However for purposes of seduction I have found there are times when lying is appropriate to proceed the interaction that is in the best interest of both parties.

A few examples:

1. Age- I'm 21 and meet a lot of girls older than me. When age comes up I always lie and tell them to guess and whatever age they guess I add or subtract a year and tell them they were close. Even girls that are 24 and I tell are 21 I see a noticeable loss in attraction at times.
These days I lie until after I have sex with them and tell them how old I really am. By then they've had good sex (decent enough at least) and don't care as long as I'm over 18.

2. Pulling- 45 minute drive home "hey don't worry it's just a car drive away right down the street come lets go"

other examples exist that I can't think of right now.

It's typically stupid bullshit irrelevant of any significance that's easier to say to bypass objections and move things closer to the two of us becoming lovers in which I'm confident enough in my sexual expertise that sleeping with me is going to add more value to her life than my bullshit lie will take away.

Plus I always come clean.

So what is your guys opinion and what do you personally do?

Lie or speak the truth?

Your opinion isn't going to change my perspective but I'm curious to what you guys think about this morally.

-Rob

 

[Smith]

Hey Rob,

1. Age- I'm 21 and meet a lot of girls older than me. When age comes up I always lie and tell them to guess and whatever age they guess I add or subtract a year and tell them they were close. Even girls that are 24 and I tell are 21 I see a noticeable loss in attraction at times.
These days I lie until after I have sex with them and tell them how old I really am. By then they've had good sex (decent enough at least) and don't care as long as I'm over 18.

I personally don't lie about age because being young can be good or bad, depends on how you look at it and how comfortable you are. She might be screening for young guys then shit test you at the same time to see how you react. You just never know and you can't always assume girls want older guys.

2. Pulling- 45 minute drive home "hey don't worry it's just a car drive away right down the street come lets go"

I did this too when I was in Sydney and my home was 30 mins train ride away, but I told them it's just a few stops or it's only 20mins lol Looking back, this was necessary otherwise I wouldn't have slept with those girls, and yes they did complain on the way and you have to handle them smoothly, but they sure didn't complain about it afterwards. I once got a girl to come to my place when it was a 2hour train ride from her place lol She only realized it was a 2hour ride once she got on the train then she just texted me she might be a little late. I was surprised she didn't just cancel the date or got angry with me for not telling her. So yea..I don't think it's "lying", but more like "If you don't mention it, then it's not a problem, and if they don't ask, assume they're ok with it".

 

[LovelyDesires]

Hey Rob, I feel that sometimes its okay to lie.

Especially so for the age issue. Even Chase himself has said it. To quote from him "But when it comes to age, I think it’s okay to make some exceptions. This is where, “It’s not lying; it’s flirting,” comes into play. Reason why is because age, for many people, is such a bright, blinding light of a problem that it crowds out everything else important and gets used as some kind of artificial metric of worthiness."

https://www.girlschase.com/content/young ... lder-women

From my own experiences, I was going on a date with this 25-30 year old girl, I was only 21. We started out chatting while walking to the restaurant. As we were walking, she asked for my age. I told her to guess, then told her 24. She seemed stunned and was like oh. She started to play hard to get and challenged me a lot after that. It became even more awkward when she told me she dont like to be touched and left a gap between us as we were walking. It all went downhill from there, my worst date ever to date.

For pulling, I dont think men are the only ones lying. Women too. "Oh I got something on later I need to go home now. I dont do this on first dates. I need to buy perfume for work tomorrow, sorry." For that reason, its okay to lie when pulling. You can try not to, but its probably much harder than necessary.

"Dont worry its just an hour long ride, theres food on my car!"

 

[zqw 10k]

I guess it all depends on your ethics, but I would like to show an example that shows lying about your age is nit necessary.

I am like you 20 years old and recently managed to get a girl even though she was 31. Like Chase stated in an article about older girls, the thing I did before getting her number was by asking her "How old are you by the way?". She laughed and told me much older than you where I responded with "Yeah I'm still a little boy". She was 31 and I told her that age was just a number, that we should meet some time and she gave me her number. A lot of LMR during the date (2 hours at least) but created a new friend with benefits so I am happy.

But please note that making her feel comfortable and staying dominant with outcome independence are really important.. Some things are easier (less drama, more stable) , some things harder (LMR, social pressure, fear of judgment) .

Back on topic, I think lying is easily spotted and once it is, well, you probably doomed it if you can't get away with a joke. You might also try to evade the question by remaining in a mysterious veil.

Hope this has something useful for you.

 

[Grand Pooba]

Age- I'm 21 and meet a lot of girls older than me. When age comes up I always lie and tell them to guess and whatever age they guess I add or subtract a year and tell them they were close. Even girls that are 24 and I tell are 21 I see a noticeable loss in attraction at times.
These days I lie until after I have sex with them and tell them how old I really am. By then they've had good sex (decent enough at least) and don't care as long as I'm over 18.

This is a good one to point out. I have noticed a lot of older women instantly lose attraction once they know you're younger than them. It tends to be same when you're 21 and she is 24 as also when you're 28 and she is 33. It's one of those stupid social stigmas people have grown up with from a young age, so automatically a woman will assume all sorts of things about you if she is older, like how you're immature, aren't experienced with women, or maybe cannot and do not know how to handle the type of relationship she is seeking (frequently either ONS, NSA types, or she could be seeking a provider type bf). But either way - the conversation on age is best avoided until you've slept with her a few times. If she brings it up before then, Rob's strategy is a good one because it forces her to guess and then you raise it by one or two years. That way it is always older than her guess, which increases her comfort.

If you're really good and your attraction is high in her eyes, and she wants you, she will rarely bring this up even if she knows she is much older. As a 27 year old this is how I've ended up with women in their early to late 30s.

Another area this applies to is discussing partner counts. Very rarely is this ever a good idea to discuss yours prior to sleeping with her (although I think its fine to figure out hers, as long as you treat her normally after with no judgement, and don't shame her or make her feel shitty about it). Some women are turned on by a man with high partner counts, others are turned off. Same thing is your count is low - she could be experienced and then wouldn't give you the time of day unless she is specifically looking for an inexperienced guy. Best avoided entirely (figure hers out based on behavior) but if she does bring it up, have her guess and then raise it by one or two.

Final area I can think of - being honest about seeing other girls. Unless the girl is very very cool and open minded, I will only say that I'm dating, or seeing other people, or something like "can't keep away the masses" in passing if she asks (and ONLY if she asks) about whether I'm seeing others. The key here is to be honest with both what you're doing (dating, seeing others) and your intentions/goals (not looking for anything serious or exclusive), but not divulge any details of any kind (I fucked one of them two hours before you came over! Etc.) I have noticed a lot of girls are initially disappointed, but over time are more turned on around you and also fight harder to make you happy. Or they quit, which is good because you just avoided major drama at a later time.

 

[Rage]

I recall reading this post a while back and wanted to chime in and add a bit to it.

Aside from the good points that everyone has mentioned something else that comes to mind is being dishonest about intellect and smarts and ambitions.

I remember Chase discussing somewhere that sometimes he’ll play dumb with girls more than he actually is, so he can get the dumb jock effect.

I’ll do this and try to be dumber use not as much vocabulary but in addition to this also try to understate achievements hobbies intelligence and drive in other forms.

Basically be a bit dishonest about how ambitious or driven I am about certain things to make myself more ordinary more unassuming and the type of guy girls can sleep with cause he's hot but doesn’t have a lot else going for him.

I will be dishonest and maybe white lie a bit in this regard. Won’t reveal to a girl that I never watch tv or don’t really watch many movies or that I instead spend a lot of time writing or reading or progressing with lifting.

I actually hid a lot of my lifting equipment in my gym bag recently so that girls didn’t notice it and think I was a hardcore extreme lifter or anything when they came over. They could just think I was born with abs instead; and when they ask do you even lift I’ll answer “sometimes… if I feel like it, maybe once in a while yeah”.

All right to lie a bit in this context I reckon.

-Gem