Why Careless/Casual/Edgy Bad Boys Are Sexier (Study)

[Chase]

When I was in high school, I realized I needed to look as low effort and unconcerned as possible if I wanted to seem as cool as possible.

But I didn't want to be a low effort dropout nobody either. I also wanted to be seen to have clear results: hot girls chatting me up, cool guys hanging around me, etc. I just wanted it all to look effortless. So I was constantly taking steps to make that stuff happen.

The result was cheerleaders and a slew of other hot girls chasing after me, trying to get me onto dates, all the popular kids trying to befriend me, etc. Kids calling me a "legend" and stuff like that.

One of the first 50 articles I published on Girls Chase was on this "Law of Least Effort", that the most socially powerful-looking individuals are those who seem to get the best results with the lowest apparent effort.

The Law of Least Effort

I’ve been mentioning it for a while on here, but a friend pointed out to me recently that I have yet to actually flesh out something I’ve been referring to as the Law of Effort; henceforth referred to as the Law of Least Effort for reasons of clarity. When I say the Law of Least Effort, what I’m...

www.girlschase.com

I've written a lot of articles on girls going for bad boys, edgy guys, smooth guys, guys with a devil-may-care attitude, guys who are assholes; basically just dudes who seem like they DGAF. All these guys look cool (assuming they are also prosocial and have visible social results).

But we still always get guys that come on and complain about this, saying women have terrible taste, they don't know why girls keep going for guys who don't care about them as much, aren't putting in as much effort, aren't working as hard or as successful, and so on. There's a lot of cognitive dissonance there.

Well, there's a new study out on this that makes it very clear why casual/laid back/effortless behavior is sexier to females.

Science Daily has a good write up on it here (the original study is here).

Key findings:

• Among macaques (a kind of monkey), middle-rank males head to where the water is and carefully, meticulously clean their food to remove sand so they don't wear their teeth down eating it. This removes most of the sand.
  
  
• However, high-ranking dominant males skip the water trip and just brush their food off on their fur quick then shove it in their mouths and eat it, leaving a lot of sand (~25% of it) still in the food, which leads to them wearing their teeth down much earlier in life.
  
  
• The scientists believe the reason the high-ranking macaques DGAF about getting all the sand out of their food is that they need to conserve their energy -- they are too busy securing new mates, defending existing mates, maintaining their territory and social rank, and so on. "They just stuff food into their mouths -- sand be damned -- because they don't have time to walk to the water. It's the urgency of now that matters, not their teeth," one of the researchers says.
  
  
• Meanwhile, the lower-ranking monkeys plow a lot more time into dental health because they are not pressed for time: they are not dealing with a bunch of chicks, not defending their rank and territory from challengers, etc. Instead they are "playing the long game," hoping they can gradually score more babes over time, or maybe still be able to be in the game years later after those high-ranking dominant males starve from tooth decay (of course, sad to say for those middle-rank macaques, at that point, there will be other, younger high-ranking males who DGAF about the sand to take the place of the old toothless ones).

When I was a new student of seduction, I noticed that most of the most prolific guys I knew were super casual about a lot of things. They'd drink alcohol and take all kinds of drugs, fuck slutty girls from bars without condoms, their apartments were a bit grimy, sometimes they didn't change their sheets for weeks despite fucking multiple girls in those sheets. Just from their behavior with friends and girls you would get this casual, unconcerned, relaxed, cool vibe. Meanwhile, a lot of the guys I was meeting at pickup lairs who were trying to learn pickup and failing were these meticulous nerd-type guys who were tidy, precise germaphobes.

There's a stereotype I think everyone knows of the

• "Live fast, die young" sexy bad boy who just doesn't give a fuck, taking shortcuts, living life casually and recklessly, and shagging tons, vs. the
  
  
• Germaphobic super virgin incel with his immaculate home, precisely organized collection of collectibles, obsession with precise grammar, etc.

Everybody knows these stereotypes.

Girls know these stereotypes.

They know them because they are generally true. The guy who doesn't bother to be meticulous is channeling his energies elsewhere -- if he's a cool, prosocial, confident guy, then the place he is probably channeling them is into shagging chicks.


CHASE ARE YOU SAYING I HAVE TO BE A SLOPPY, FILTHY DEGENERATE TO LAY A TON OF GIRLS?

No.

Well, I mean, maybe a little bit.

Basically we are just back at the Law of Least Effort.

You can be meticulous and precise and all in your private life.

But when you're around girls you want to seem chill. Chill, casual, unconcerned (except where concern is warranted), in-control.

In essence, you want to BEHAVE LIKE a high-ranking male, at least when girls are looking.

Because these behaviors do not happen in isolation. They also serve as cues to social rank. When a guy is behaving like a meticulous germaphobic incel, nobody who sees him is going to conclude, "Whoa -- Chad alert! "

OTOH, if you are acting like the cool, edgy, devil-may-care asshole, most people will tend to assume off the bat that you are a more dominant, higher status guy. That just makes everything socially and seductively easier (well, assuming you can continue to behave congruent with that throughout your interactions! Practice makes perfect...).

Chase

 

[Chad Tyrone]

 

[Will_V]

When I was in high school, I realized I needed to look as low effort and unconcerned as possible if I wanted to seem as cool as possible.

But I didn't want to be a low effort dropout nobody either. I also wanted to be seen to have clear results: hot girls chatting me up, cool guys hanging around me, etc. I just wanted it all to look effortless. So I was constantly taking steps to make that stuff happen.

The result was cheerleaders and a slew of other hot girls chasing after me, trying to get me onto dates, all the popular kids trying to befriend me, etc. Kids calling me a "legend" and stuff like that.

One of the first 50 articles I published on Girls Chase was on this "Law of Least Effort", that the most socially powerful-looking individuals are those who seem to get the best results with the lowest apparent effort.

The Law of Least Effort

I’ve been mentioning it for a while on here, but a friend pointed out to me recently that I have yet to actually flesh out something I’ve been referring to as the Law of Effort; henceforth referred to as the Law of Least Effort for reasons of clarity. When I say the Law of Least Effort, what I’m...

www.girlschase.com

I've written a lot of articles on girls going for bad boys, edgy guys, smooth guys, guys with a devil-may-care attitude, guys who are assholes; basically just dudes who seem like they DGAF. All these guys look cool (assuming they are also prosocial and have visible social results).

But we still always get guys that come on and complain about this, saying women have terrible taste, they don't know why girls keep going for guys who don't care about them as much, aren't putting in as much effort, aren't working as hard or as successful, and so on. There's a lot of cognitive dissonance there.

Well, there's a new study out on this that makes it very clear why casual/laid back/effortless behavior is sexier to females.

Science Daily has a good write up on it here (the original study is here).

Key findings:

• Among macaques (a kind of monkey), middle-rank males head to where the water is and carefully, meticulously clean their food to remove sand so they don't wear their teeth down eating it. This removes most of the sand.
  
  
• However, high-ranking dominant males skip the water trip and just brush their food off on their fur quick then shove it in their mouths and eat it, leaving a lot of sand (~25% of it) still in the food, which leads to them wearing their teeth down much earlier in life.
  
  
• The scientists believe the reason the high-ranking macaques DGAF about getting all the sand out of their food is that they need to conserve their energy -- they are too busy securing new mates, defending existing mates, maintaining their territory and social rank, and so on. "They just stuff food into their mouths -- sand be damned -- because they don't have time to walk to the water. It's the urgency of now that matters, not their teeth," one of the researchers says.
  
  
• Meanwhile, the lower-ranking monkeys plow a lot more time into dental health because they are not pressed for time: they are not dealing with a bunch of chicks, not defending their rank and territory from challengers, etc. Instead they are "playing the long game," hoping they can gradually score more babes over time, or maybe still be able to be in the game years later after those high-ranking dominant males starve from tooth decay (of course, sad to say for those middle-rank macaques, at that point, there will be other, younger high-ranking males who DGAF about the sand to take the place of the old toothless ones).

When I was a new student of seduction, I noticed that most of the most prolific guys I knew were super casual about a lot of things. They'd drink alcohol and take all kinds of drugs, fuck slutty girls from bars without condoms, their apartments were a bit grimy, sometimes they didn't change their sheets for weeks despite fucking multiple girls in those sheets. Just from their behavior with friends and girls you would get this casual, unconcerned, relaxed, cool vibe. Meanwhile, a lot of the guys I was meeting at pickup lairs who were trying to learn pickup and failing were these meticulous nerd-type guys who were tidy, precise germaphobes.

There's a stereotype I think everyone knows of the

• "Live fast, die young" sexy bad boy who just doesn't give a fuck, taking shortcuts, living life casually and recklessly, and shagging tons, vs. the
  
  
• Germaphobic super virgin incel with his immaculate home, precisely organized collection of collectibles, obsession with precise grammar, etc.

Everybody knows these stereotypes.

Girls know these stereotypes.

They know them because they are generally true. The guy who doesn't bother to be meticulous is channeling his energies elsewhere -- if he's a cool, prosocial, confident guy, then the place he is probably channeling them is into shagging chicks.


CHASE ARE YOU SAYING I HAVE TO BE A SLOPPY, FILTHY DEGENERATE TO LAY A TON OF GIRLS?

No.

Well, I mean, maybe a little bit.

Basically we are just back at the Law of Least Effort.

You can be meticulous and precise and all in your private life.

But when you're around girls you want to seem chill. Chill, casual, unconcerned (except where concern is warranted), in-control.

In essence, you want to BEHAVE LIKE a high-ranking male, at least when girls are looking.

Because these behaviors do not happen in isolation. They also serve as cues to social rank. When a guy is behaving like a meticulous germaphobic incel, nobody who sees him is going to conclude, "Whoa -- Chad alert! "

OTOH, if you are acting like the cool, edgy, devil-may-care asshole, most people will tend to assume off the bat that you are a more dominant, higher status guy. That just makes everything socially and seductively easier (well, assuming you can continue to behave congruent with that throughout your interactions! Practice makes perfect...).

Chase

Makes me think of the the modern entrepreneurial culture of preening routines, like cold plunges and whatnot, when guys like the paypal mafia were making their mark eating noodles and wearing the same socks for a week.

When you really are driven to get something everything else seems like a waste of time.

 

[Water_Polo]

lol I love monkey studies. I came across one ages ago that was more important to me than any pua video I'd ever seen. I don't usually agree with the conclusions the researches come to though, imo they're usually wrong.

This one is hilarious though. It reminds me of that classic Bill Burr bit "what are you, a fag?". Like if a guy was walking around with an umbrella some guy would be like, you using an umbrella? What are you, a fag?

Can picture these monkies doing something like that here, you washing your food bro? What are you a fag? You gonna wash the sand out of your pussy too?

Imo it's just a flex. The more you care about your health, the more you look weak. Like driving around in an EV car, doing the speed limit, checking your blind spot when there's nobody around vs some guy flying by on a bike dodging through traffic at crazy speeds in shirt and shorts.

Reminds me of a clip of Owen when he mentioned that he always fucks with a condom. Tbh I think it does make you look a little gay, like you're worried about getting aids, what are you, a fag?

Derek from moreplatesmoredates had that video on whether Tate was natty or not. Tate kind of respond w something like yeah, he's a smart dude who knows a lot about this stuff, but he also counts his macros and that shit is gay, I just eat whatever I want lol.

I don't really know if guys at the top are really all the same Tbh. some of them care a lot about certain things like their haircuts, clothes, cars, rooms, whatever while other guys don't. There's still a concern overall though about not looking like a fag.

Friend of mine is in a 1%er bike club. I went to their clubhouse once, handful of dudes there were in wheelchairs lmao. Some of these guys should've cared more about not looking gay than they did.

I care more about my health now than I've ever done. Best decision I've ever made. While guys are guzzling alcohol in bars, actively converting their testosterone into estrogen like a tranny, I feel better than ever and it pays off a lot in game to be as healthy as possible.

In monkey studies I've seen, the most wreck less behavior is actually coming from the monkeys at the very bottom of the troop. They'll start fights with monkeys twice their size, try to leap crazy distances between branches etc. It's usually just a lot of try hard behavior to get out of the cellar.

 

[gameboy]

handful of dudes there were in wheelchairs lmao

Had to re read this then lol'ed, guess that makes me an asshole after all... good one though

 

[ChrisXKiss]

Because these behaviors do not happen in isolation. They also serve as cues to social rank. When a guy is behaving like a meticulous germaphobic incel, nobody who sees him is going to conclude, "Whoa -- Chad alert!

The only thing I want to ask here is what if you have some limits?

Let’s say you are in a group of guys and girls, and they talk about drugs and want to find and do cocaine. But I just don’t do drugs, and I am not interested. How do you remain cool?

I’ve been in the situation personally and after a bit it feels like: “what am I even doing here, I don’t belong”.

Or another scenario, people want to jump from a very high cliff into the sea. Does it make sense to just do it because others do, even though you don’t feel like it?

Third example. I am in a hospital right now and I am wearing a mask, both because I don’t want to transmit anything to others and because I know what stuff you can catch just by being in a hospital.

And well, noone else wears a mask, not the doctors, not the nurses, not the patients. Maybe some very few of them that are really bad.

I guess I am coming off uncool to the cute nurses. The question is though at what extent do you just do things because you know they would make you look cool, although you are not into them?

Isn’t it also dominant to be able to say no I don’t do drugs, no I don’t have sex without condom, that’s me, take it or leave it.