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I was thinking something since you tell them about the community, have you ever sent women improvement channels for women to improve them too?
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You can only show females, the door.
*Cough cough* kicking them out when you need to go to work *cough cough* or tell them to improve *cough cough*
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Women I've been with were always 'trying' to improve with low to moderate success - meditation, exercise, finance etc. But it's mostly an expression of desire to be something (or obtain a man) rather than a meaningful attempt to improve. Really what they want is a man they can simply conform to rather than worry about what is worth or not worth doing.
Personally I always put a bit of pressure on women to improve when they are with me, I find it's good for the dynamics of the relationship. But usually, she won't do it consistently unless it is a shared experience of some kind.
So basically, I do exercise with her, I 'help' her cook, I meditate with her, I talk about the things I want her to improve with her attitude/behavior (and what she wants me to improve as well). Attention is the glue that holds the whole programme together and fucking her afterward cements it in.
So basically, I wouldn't really bother sending her information, I'd just do whatever it was with her.
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Mine totally transform become hotter, more stylish, more sexually open, more money, etc.... after i am done they go back to shit...
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@Skills,
Apologies if I misunderstood then.
I also was not slamming that type (I understand it's not yours). I've known a bunch of guys over the years for whom that WAS their type... we actually used to have more guys who liked that type on the Boards, but they left during the Forums Wars of 2020 (I think that was the year).
Anyway, I guess we are on a similar page then re: type..
It's not only me, man.
I'm friends with a lot of guys running businesses like this.
They are almost all open with their chicks about what sorts of businesses they run, and it always goes the same way:
Aside from their business prospects, I have known prominent PUAs who have had all kinds of severe drama come later on down the line from relationships with chicks who were cool for the first N months/years of the relationship but rebelled once things started getting serious and the guy was still practicing/teaching PUA. Not every chick does that... but I will say that of the guys I have known personally who happily married some chick or had kids with some chick and she hadn't objected at all to pickup at that point (so far as I know), they still all vanished within a couple of years. One of them I just realized typing this I hadn't heard from much since he got married to his totally accepting, ride-or-die chick some years back... his business was doing quite well then... I just typed his URL into the address bar and it's a Chinese porn site now, lol... I don't know if his wife switched things up and started nudging him away from it or what, but if I had to bet, I'd bet that was part of the cause.
Where do you think all the old big PUA companies went? They either close down or they switch into some kind of generic self-help men's philosophy gobbledegook (that I can't imagine there's really even much of a market for... and it doesn't seem like they ever stick around more than a few years after that transition, which I think supports my case). The transition almost always coincides with the guy getting serious with some chick... sometimes they later break up and the guy tries to revive his business, but usually by that point it is gone... if I told chicks about GC it would've disappeared 7 or 8 years ago, I guarantee it!
I have seen very similar trajectories with three different LTRs.
One was definitely to the extreme... but even having to deal with it at all with the others is enough to make you go, "What is the benefit to me of having to deal with this?"
So at least for me, that is definitely how it works (maybe it works different for you, I dunno).
Yes, it's part of the pair bond, sure.
It does mean you have to be more careful how you play things though, because if you do the "break up then get back together" thing with girls you have turned into nymphos who are in that exploratory mode by the time you take them back unless you are fast it can be too late, they are already rebounding.
I've known a few solid guys who did get the chicks who went outside... sometimes it is clearly the guy's fault and he did stuff that seeded that in the chick's mind, but sometimes it is simply him just being too open about being a player and curiosity eventually getting the better of her during a rocky part of the relationship.
Yeah I suppose.
I'll tell you what though... I just like life better compartmentalized.
I did the whole social media thing from 2006-2009 before I realized it wasn't for me. Guys have asked me to get back on social media over the years so they can "follow what is going on in the life of Chase Amante" and I am like... that is really not the life for me, cataloguing my existence online for others. Same thing when family is asking me to get on social media for the same reasons. I don't know how or why people do that. (I mean I understand in the abstract... it is just a different set of priorities I suppose)
Or like people asking me to set up a personal blog in addition to GC... my interests are seriously eclectic. I went through a stage where I tried merging my corporate job circles with my acting circles with my illegal immigrant friend circles with my trust fund baby circles with my pick up artist circles and I found they really did not mesh at all, and each group of people thought it was totally bizarre that I was in any way involved with the other group of people. That said, I have many amusing memories from those times, such as when I brought a prolific PUA to a business associates meeting (lol), or when I brought my corporate office-working girlfriend to a ghetto block party with Mexican illegals. I really got off on that stuff then... but now it just seems unnecessary.
"Chase talks/studies/practices/teaches/writes about pickup" is one of those completely compartmentalized things for me. To the point where on rare occasions when someone I am talking to in real life who knows about GC mentions reading something of mine or whatever it is just a weird feeling, like some sort of violation of the boundaries between compartments. Occasionally I will have someone introduce someone else to me, thinking it is just some random person who doesn't know me, like most people, only for the guy to start gushing about how I have changed his life and he can't believe it is really me and again there is that feeling like the compartments are weirdly bleeding into each other and things that should be separate are not.
As far as I'm concerned pickup is best when it's anonymous. There is just you, the Nameless Individual, stepping out of the shadows to court this woman he has only just met, and melting off into the night (or... day..) with her. She doesn't know your background, she doesn't really know who you are, the whole thing is a mystery to her. Maybe over time if she stays in your life she gets to know more about you. But you will always be a bit of a question mark.
I like that feeling.
And nobody is getting access to my work laptop.
To each his own, I suppose!
Chase
Apologies if I misunderstood then.
I also was not slamming that type (I understand it's not yours). I've known a bunch of guys over the years for whom that WAS their type... we actually used to have more guys who liked that type on the Boards, but they left during the Forums Wars of 2020 (I think that was the year).
Anyway, I guess we are on a similar page then re: type..
It's not only me, man.
I'm friends with a lot of guys running businesses like this.
They are almost all open with their chicks about what sorts of businesses they run, and it always goes the same way:
- Guy is sleeping around, doing a bunch of PUA, keeping his rotation. Girls know about his business and think it's great. He brings girls with him to events, takes them out to bootcamps, lets them see him at work, leading dudes, training dudes, and it just boosts his power even more. His chicks worship him
- At some point he decides he wants a serious relationship with a chick. She's a great gal, really great. Hot girl, awesome. So he starts getting committed, still taking her to events, she still knows what he is doing, no problem, he's been honest about it since Day 1 after all. She still respects it
- After some time passes, she starts feeling like here is her guy, out running around training guys to get laid, talking about fucking chicks online, and it is kind of embarrassing for her. She used to think it was cool, but now it seems increasingly immature. Is he going to tell his children he does this for a living? How can she tell her parents what he does? So she starts to like it less, but doesn't say much. He can sense she approves of it less and less, but the boat isn't rocking too much for now
- Usually at that point the guy will start self-censoring. He will be less raw talking about "how to lay chicks", he will start nudging his PUA business increasingly into a generic self-improvement business, or he will switch over to a different line of work and get into the make money space, the health space, the crypto space, etc.
- For the few guys who are stubborn enough to keep going, at some point the chick has enough and starts hurling ultimatums at him. One guy I knew who dated car show models and was no slouch with his relationships was doing $1 million/month in ad spend on adult ads at one point. His chick knew about his business from Day 1 and used to be cool with it, but at a certain point, once they were engaged, she gave him an ultimatum that either he had to stop the porn ads or they weren't getting married. Then he had a long think about it... am I going to keep the porn ads and dump the girl? Or keep the girl and dump the porn ads? Ultimately he dumped the porn ads for the girl... scaled his business back
Aside from their business prospects, I have known prominent PUAs who have had all kinds of severe drama come later on down the line from relationships with chicks who were cool for the first N months/years of the relationship but rebelled once things started getting serious and the guy was still practicing/teaching PUA. Not every chick does that... but I will say that of the guys I have known personally who happily married some chick or had kids with some chick and she hadn't objected at all to pickup at that point (so far as I know), they still all vanished within a couple of years. One of them I just realized typing this I hadn't heard from much since he got married to his totally accepting, ride-or-die chick some years back... his business was doing quite well then... I just typed his URL into the address bar and it's a Chinese porn site now, lol... I don't know if his wife switched things up and started nudging him away from it or what, but if I had to bet, I'd bet that was part of the cause.
Where do you think all the old big PUA companies went? They either close down or they switch into some kind of generic self-help men's philosophy gobbledegook (that I can't imagine there's really even much of a market for... and it doesn't seem like they ever stick around more than a few years after that transition, which I think supports my case). The transition almost always coincides with the guy getting serious with some chick... sometimes they later break up and the guy tries to revive his business, but usually by that point it is gone... if I told chicks about GC it would've disappeared 7 or 8 years ago, I guarantee it!
I have seen very similar trajectories with three different LTRs.
One was definitely to the extreme... but even having to deal with it at all with the others is enough to make you go, "What is the benefit to me of having to deal with this?"
So at least for me, that is definitely how it works (maybe it works different for you, I dunno).
Yes, it's part of the pair bond, sure.
It does mean you have to be more careful how you play things though, because if you do the "break up then get back together" thing with girls you have turned into nymphos who are in that exploratory mode by the time you take them back unless you are fast it can be too late, they are already rebounding.
I've known a few solid guys who did get the chicks who went outside... sometimes it is clearly the guy's fault and he did stuff that seeded that in the chick's mind, but sometimes it is simply him just being too open about being a player and curiosity eventually getting the better of her during a rocky part of the relationship.
Yeah I suppose.
I'll tell you what though... I just like life better compartmentalized.
I did the whole social media thing from 2006-2009 before I realized it wasn't for me. Guys have asked me to get back on social media over the years so they can "follow what is going on in the life of Chase Amante" and I am like... that is really not the life for me, cataloguing my existence online for others. Same thing when family is asking me to get on social media for the same reasons. I don't know how or why people do that. (I mean I understand in the abstract... it is just a different set of priorities I suppose)
Or like people asking me to set up a personal blog in addition to GC... my interests are seriously eclectic. I went through a stage where I tried merging my corporate job circles with my acting circles with my illegal immigrant friend circles with my trust fund baby circles with my pick up artist circles and I found they really did not mesh at all, and each group of people thought it was totally bizarre that I was in any way involved with the other group of people. That said, I have many amusing memories from those times, such as when I brought a prolific PUA to a business associates meeting (lol), or when I brought my corporate office-working girlfriend to a ghetto block party with Mexican illegals. I really got off on that stuff then... but now it just seems unnecessary.
"Chase talks/studies/practices/teaches/writes about pickup" is one of those completely compartmentalized things for me. To the point where on rare occasions when someone I am talking to in real life who knows about GC mentions reading something of mine or whatever it is just a weird feeling, like some sort of violation of the boundaries between compartments. Occasionally I will have someone introduce someone else to me, thinking it is just some random person who doesn't know me, like most people, only for the guy to start gushing about how I have changed his life and he can't believe it is really me and again there is that feeling like the compartments are weirdly bleeding into each other and things that should be separate are not.
As far as I'm concerned pickup is best when it's anonymous. There is just you, the Nameless Individual, stepping out of the shadows to court this woman he has only just met, and melting off into the night (or... day..) with her. She doesn't know your background, she doesn't really know who you are, the whole thing is a mystery to her. Maybe over time if she stays in your life she gets to know more about you. But you will always be a bit of a question mark.
I like that feeling.
And nobody is getting access to my work laptop.
To each his own, I suppose!
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Hi Chase. I really enjoyed this reply to Skills and appreciate the insight into how you run your life. I imagine I speak on behalf of many readers of the site when I say that we look up to you and value your opinion and outlook on many aspects of life beyond pickup.
If I could ask you one question to you in response, it would be this:
Do you feel like compartmentalizing your life has had any negative effects on your psyche?
I ask because I am one to compartmentalize too, but being one way with a group of people and another way with another has led me to feelings of confusion, dissociation, and depersonalization at times. And I think hiding large parts of your life is connected to that.
It’s natural to act differently with different people, and to show different people different sides of you, but hiding parts of myself and exhibiting changing behaviors has led my mind to question if a certain person really likes or loves me for me, at times. And it's not a great feeling because it makes me question the legitimacy of our connection, and it doesn't feel as full and... I guess satisfying might be the word. This relates to girlfriends and even friends. Have you ever felt similarly and might you have any tips for remedying these feelings?
It’s a deep and complicated question but I imagine others who’ve gotten into pickup have felt similar ways, as we’ve trained ourselves to behave differently than we naturally did before and to socialize strategically. I’ve so deeply embraced that peoples’ reactions and responses to behavior aren’t a reflection of my core being but of how I’ve chosen to act and the sliver of myself I’ve chosen to reveal. And I think that’s maybe messed me up a bit in developing and feeling the fullness of a connection with someone. I’ve heard others share similar thoughts.
I would truly appreciate any take you may have on this, and I imagine it could be helpful to the wider community here. Thanks man.
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yes I mean but do you make them improve only under your vision or by leaving them also material like the one I sent you when you are not there?
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Keyword: With
If she's not interested/her father was never interested in it, she will take it lightly. Every female who has "improved" have a stem.
That stem is
- her father
- her breakup
- her immediate circle (this wanes off fast)
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@Chase
I suspect those guys are good puas but not good at relationship or relationship management= 2 totally different skills sets ..... Now that i think of it i don't really know any really good puas that were really good at relationships..... Well maybe tubarao (but he was open) and maybe pure evil (but he would banished like all the others when he had relationships at times)... actually @POB is good at relationships..... I read every pua book and most don't touch relationships and the ones that do is super kj... There was a dude named money matteo too that was good too, but does not meet the criteria cause he got married went mono.... Pwf is ok, but this set up of he can bang girls is girl can't eventually will implode.... My point is most puas for obvious reason are good at getting new girls and banging, they suck at relationships... But what is funny the other guys in the other manosphere communities like the kj redpillers are more upfront with a women about this which is bizard, and they are doing fine, go figure...(but obviously is the opposite they suck at getting laid)
Well i never encounter these issues this is like boogie man stuff, cause most of us do other businesses, and most of the guys here are not even in this biz... But even if true, self help reframe, confidence coach and a million of re frame... Girls are not going to blast to her family about this stuff...
^ but this is a mistake this is a process called betatization, is how women operate but has nothing to do with pua, as i said in my previous Reponses they tell your to stop going out, stop working so many hours, stop smoking weed, stop listening to this or that.... is the process of making into her ideal, as you conform she gets happy temporarily, but loses attraction long term..... When you don't conform (they totally get upset and angry) gain attraction long term..... These dudes are totally making a RELATIONSHIP mistake by conforming.... That is how women operate, again puas are not good at relationships, still to meet one that is decent at relationships...well pob is good too..
ultimatums are signs of helplessness, again just like my last answer this was handled horrible by whoever that dude was... he failed that massive shit test, jesus christ! I would have been ok goodby! and she would conform eventually..." I dont't do ultimatoums, if you don't like it, goodbye" again my relationships are jump how high, anybody sees any of my videos can tell in 2 seconds...
^ again those same girls would not have done that to a guys like, me or many others, this guys are not good at handling relationship, nothing to do with pua, that could be with a million things, women do this, back to women are women... nothing to do with pua, they would do this about a million things: hanging out with certain dudes or groups, video games, weed, visiting parents, dog, decoration, motorcycle and a million other things.... AGain good pua does not mean good at relationship 2 totally different skillset like good pua vs good marketer, 2 totally different skillset, sometimes they do overlap but 2 different skillsets...
^ i did not have this experience, again it may be what you did to deal with your involvement and those guys may not be optimal... There are multiple commercial guys that don't have these issues, or other community guys that don't have that issue, unfortunately we don't have any guys like that in this forum, some seducers are testing, but not enough experience like beam, and other guys in the forum...
^ i have social media, i no longer do mains in social media, yeah better that way...and i don't post, but soon to field test instagram for real estate it seems is good for biz...you did facebook for biz...
^ i do compartalize but different groups and don't mix them together haha, my capoeira group, my club wings, my virtual pua community, my family, my different biz group etc... i don't mix them as you can see that is suicide lol....
^ of course, dude come on i give fake name, fake age, fake everything but we are talking about different things.... But i see no reason to hide the study of social dynamics and seduction is actually a dhv, again i am back to the ptsd stuff, or looking at pua as glass half empty vs half full...
come on chase, if i am in my king bed with the computer and she is on the bed, and i am in the computer the women will see the screen when they sleep over and stuff... They don't go checking on my computer and phone, but i don't have a tv, everything i do is in the computer, when i type in the forum most of the times i have women over, they don't care sometimes they even give me ideas...
I suspect those guys are good puas but not good at relationship or relationship management= 2 totally different skills sets ..... Now that i think of it i don't really know any really good puas that were really good at relationships..... Well maybe tubarao (but he was open) and maybe pure evil (but he would banished like all the others when he had relationships at times)... actually @POB is good at relationships..... I read every pua book and most don't touch relationships and the ones that do is super kj... There was a dude named money matteo too that was good too, but does not meet the criteria cause he got married went mono.... Pwf is ok, but this set up of he can bang girls is girl can't eventually will implode.... My point is most puas for obvious reason are good at getting new girls and banging, they suck at relationships... But what is funny the other guys in the other manosphere communities like the kj redpillers are more upfront with a women about this which is bizard, and they are doing fine, go figure...(but obviously is the opposite they suck at getting laid)
Well i never encounter these issues this is like boogie man stuff, cause most of us do other businesses, and most of the guys here are not even in this biz... But even if true, self help reframe, confidence coach and a million of re frame... Girls are not going to blast to her family about this stuff...
^ but this is a mistake this is a process called betatization, is how women operate but has nothing to do with pua, as i said in my previous Reponses they tell your to stop going out, stop working so many hours, stop smoking weed, stop listening to this or that.... is the process of making into her ideal, as you conform she gets happy temporarily, but loses attraction long term..... When you don't conform (they totally get upset and angry) gain attraction long term..... These dudes are totally making a RELATIONSHIP mistake by conforming.... That is how women operate, again puas are not good at relationships, still to meet one that is decent at relationships...well pob is good too..
ultimatums are signs of helplessness, again just like my last answer this was handled horrible by whoever that dude was... he failed that massive shit test, jesus christ! I would have been ok goodby! and she would conform eventually..." I dont't do ultimatoums, if you don't like it, goodbye" again my relationships are jump how high, anybody sees any of my videos can tell in 2 seconds...
^ again those same girls would not have done that to a guys like, me or many others, this guys are not good at handling relationship, nothing to do with pua, that could be with a million things, women do this, back to women are women... nothing to do with pua, they would do this about a million things: hanging out with certain dudes or groups, video games, weed, visiting parents, dog, decoration, motorcycle and a million other things.... AGain good pua does not mean good at relationship 2 totally different skillset like good pua vs good marketer, 2 totally different skillset, sometimes they do overlap but 2 different skillsets...
^ cause pua is small niche that died a while back for a million reasons, self help is booming, causation correlation, come on chase you know this...
^ i did not have this experience, again it may be what you did to deal with your involvement and those guys may not be optimal... There are multiple commercial guys that don't have these issues, or other community guys that don't have that issue, unfortunately we don't have any guys like that in this forum, some seducers are testing, but not enough experience like beam, and other guys in the forum...
^ i have social media, i no longer do mains in social media, yeah better that way...and i don't post, but soon to field test instagram for real estate it seems is good for biz...you did facebook for biz...
^ i do compartalize but different groups and don't mix them together haha, my capoeira group, my club wings, my virtual pua community, my family, my different biz group etc... i don't mix them as you can see that is suicide lol....
^ of course, dude come on i give fake name, fake age, fake everything but we are talking about different things.... But i see no reason to hide the study of social dynamics and seduction is actually a dhv, again i am back to the ptsd stuff, or looking at pua as glass half empty vs half full...
come on chase, if i am in my king bed with the computer and she is on the bed, and i am in the computer the women will see the screen when they sleep over and stuff... They don't go checking on my computer and phone, but i don't have a tv, everything i do is in the computer, when i type in the forum most of the times i have women over, they don't care sometimes they even give me ideas...
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Facebook sucks for Real Estate, if you play the short game. If you advertise buying condos and stuff, then it's hotcakes.
Selling houses ads, for some reason, doesn't work as well. Might be because millennials don't own houses and the generation before, don't trust real estate from online ads. To make it simple, more convincing needed to sell houses if you do it online.
Most property agents don't want to create content on investments or interior design or furniture to aid them in playing the long game. Thus, it's a bloody red ocean on online ads.
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I am talking instagram not facebook...
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Instagram story.
Instagram post, paid and organic is kinda dead. Don't go into tiktok in high hopes.
But more of long game.
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Instagram post, paid and organic is kinda dead. Don't go into tiktok in high hopes.
But more of long game.
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Exactly!
Could not agree more.
One of the first things I told my main when we were discussing seduction was: "how do you think I got you?"
Then I walked her through all the steps it took me to get her to bed. She got extremely excited to talk about it: " You got me so horny so fast that I was dying to fuck you on day one lol. You should teach that stuff to other guys!".
About deep relationships...
There was this one time where she got super pissed because she found another woman's hair on my couch.
It almost ended there.
Took me a while to reframe it and got her back on her feet about us.
Plus we needed to set very clear relationship rules.
(like I can't fuck side chicks at my place anymore, only motels and airbnbns...a small price to pay in my book to love a hot woman that agrees to open). After our first FFM threesome she said: "I never got jealous of you because you always make me feel special, even when you are fucking another hot woman in front of me."
It was a very careful step-by-step process where I got her by the hand and explained how being monogamous was not the answer to our fears.
And if we wanted to get a strong bond and be happy, we needed to face those fears.
I too was super afraid she would jump in bed with the first hot guy that hit on her once I knew she agreed with us being open
(which btw is a daily thing with her constant exposure).
But in fact the opposite happened...she got more close than ever and her attraction for me is at an all time high! Sex got better too.
She also is very relaxed exposing her deepest sex fantasies to me.
I never judge it and never say she should not do it.
Fact is it got her to want me to participate in them, which is a plus because I can get the other guy to bring me a new woman with zero time investment.
Now we've got to a point where we just shrug about other couples struggles.
Our relationship is so free, calm, relaxed, full of love, caring and with an abundance of horny sex that we don't care anymore.
Everything is on cruise control.
My next step is to probably get us in couples therapy so it can stay that way for as long as we are together.
I prefer to prevent than to correct, so I'm sure it's gonna help us immensely to avoid the pitfalls of long term relationships.
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sorry the translation translates me wrong, could you explain me better? do you mean that if she is not interested in her father she is not interested in improving in general and the secondary influences are the boy and ultimately the social circle?
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What resource do you recommend to learn how to manage relationships of whatever nature they are? so let's say when you want to be with a girl for an extended time
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I realize that this requires more writing if one is to grasp it.
To make it simple.
If her father likes fishing, she will likely like fishing. If her father likes chess, she will likely likes chess.
Hierarchy of Impetus that influence female self improvement and behavior.
1)Her Father
2)Her First Sex
3)Her First boyfriend
and *continue*
Now, one might say to Zac, why is all this girls are SJW/BLM/Woke-ism champion? She claims that she is self improving by understanding racism.
She tries to understand that Zac is a brown guy.
Do females really care about Zac and his pains as a minority?
Quick answer: She doesn't care.
(As much as she think she does. Just as much as Zac thinks he cares about Girlschase when there's a ton of responses that he needs to actually answer to from 2012!)
So
Now... This needs to be careful
One is the stem, the impetus and the other, is virtue signaling. What is exactly influencing female behavior. Is it the impetus (stem) or the tribe that she is virtue signaling?
This can only be visible once you handle your fundamentals correct.
In my opinion: You can only distinguish virtue signaling from the impetus (stem)... Only if you reach level of awareness, either by a God given gift from the Heavens or experience or education.
TLDR: Eventually, you can often see whether it's the impetus or virtue signaling.
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On the scale of the influence from father to first sex, etc., however, I must partially disagree. it is like when it is said that if a woman has already had all the experiences and has nothing to do with you again, she will think or give more and more weight to the other and in part it is true because what I describe later is difficult, but possible, because if I repeat the experience with me and I manage to anchor a stronger memory of that experience through me, the old slot will be replaced by the new one. In the same way the influence is in that hierarchy because it is normally like this but with some girls I have overcome this apparent law engraved in stone by knowing all the girl's "track record".I realize that this requires more writing if one is to grasp it.
To make it simple.
If her father likes fishing, she will likely like fishing. If her father likes chess, she will likely likes chess.
Hierarchy of Impetus that influence female self improvement and behavior.
1)Her Father
2)Her First Sex
3)Her First boyfriend
and *continue*
Now, one might say to Zac, why is all this girls are SJW/BLM/Woke-ism champion? She claims that she is self improving by understanding racism.
She tries to understand that Zac is a brown guy.
Do females really care about Zac and his pains as a minority?
Quick answer: She doesn't care.
(As much as she think she does. Just as much as Zac thinks he cares about Girlschase when there's a ton of responses that he needs to actually answer to from 2012!)
So
Now... This needs to be careful
One is the stem, the impetus and the other, is virtue signaling. What is exactly influencing female behavior. Is it the impetus (stem) or the tribe that she is virtue signaling?
This can only be visible once you handle your fundamentals correct.
In my opinion: You can only distinguish virtue signaling from the impetus (stem)... Only if you reach level of awareness, either by a God given gift from the Heavens or experience or education.
TLDR: Eventually, you can often see whether it's the impetus or virtue signaling.
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Guys no more derailing please keep on topic, but i will answer, to your point about women improvement i talk about how to do that here...
Relationships there is not a book per se, is by experience, getting into many relationships, relationship set up and experiences, break ups and failures...
All of this help but experience king:
- how to win friends and influence people (Dale Carnagie)
- Models Mark Manson (neediness understanding, don't get caught up in the vulnerability stuff)
- the Passion trap book
- Girls chase, chase is pretty good breaking down relationships and dynamics and break ups.
-revolutionary lifestyle design playlist on relationships on his channel (pretty good)
- tubaro is the dude blackdragon/caleb jones copy is ok but at times to inflexible, but gives you a general view (more for open), read his rules..
-the female brain book
- the tactical guide to women by shawn smith
-mating in captivity by esther Perel
-The fountainhead by Ayn Ryan
- the unchained man caleb jones
-the truth neil strauss
-no more mr. nice guy glover
- the break up manual for men by andrew ferebee
- Tom lykes (this is the dude original mgtow, red piller that everyone bartadise his point, careful his a bit too inflexible (which is no needed).
^ all of this just gives you ideas and views as you are dating, experience is what mainly matters... (takes a long time, books/sources just help you as reference of what you are doing, dealing) there is not how to per se...
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ok I wrote you in chat
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To each their own I guess. I really don’t see the gain in sharing this type of information. Guess that makes me camp 1.
I just don’t see the gain in sharing, to me some things are better left unsaid. It defeats the purpose of influence telling people you influence that you are in fact an influencer.
In the same way you’d question a salesman’s sincerity because they’re in fact a salesman, they’re trying to get you to buy.
I guess what i’m saying is there’s no strategic gain to me. It’s not like I actively go out my way to hide it, it’s shown in my demeanor. But it’s never something that get’s brought up or that I care to bring up.
Not to mention all the scandal and public dissapproval of guy’s who have been “caught”. The fact that “dark seduction” is seen as taboo even places like here. And how the mainstream continues to portray players, womanizers, and even salespeople, as untrustworthy and morally ambiguous figures.
Everyone does not agree with a hedonistic worldview it can be polarizing.
I just don’t see the gain in sharing, to me some things are better left unsaid. It defeats the purpose of influence telling people you influence that you are in fact an influencer.
In the same way you’d question a salesman’s sincerity because they’re in fact a salesman, they’re trying to get you to buy.
I guess what i’m saying is there’s no strategic gain to me. It’s not like I actively go out my way to hide it, it’s shown in my demeanor. But it’s never something that get’s brought up or that I care to bring up.
Not to mention all the scandal and public dissapproval of guy’s who have been “caught”. The fact that “dark seduction” is seen as taboo even places like here. And how the mainstream continues to portray players, womanizers, and even salespeople, as untrustworthy and morally ambiguous figures.
Everyone does not agree with a hedonistic worldview it can be polarizing.