why is eminem so bitter

[Regal Tiger]

Guys just let me tell you this psychoanalyst guy was a pro at cold reading people man he told me such spot on stuff without asking any questions about me by just looking at a sheet of paper. That's probably why I believed him on low self esteem bit so readily and maybe he's right but damn that cold reading is powerful.

Gotta be careful about that PT Barnum Effect. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barnum_effect

 

[Mr.Rob]

Gotta be careful about that PT Barnum Effect.

Never heard that before, apparently thats the same guy who coined "A sucker born every minute" hah fitting.

 

[Cacc]

I'm confrontational when I argue. So what? I'm not the one that started being disrespectful. If you don't want to argue with someone cus he's hostile. Oh well. I'll take the easy win then.

 

[Richard]

I'm confrontational when I argue. So what? I'm not the one that started being disrespectful. If you don't want to argue with someone cus he's hostile. Oh well. I'll take the easy win then.

You're still talking?

 

[Cacc]

You're still dodging the discussion?

 

[Richard]

Damn, can't upload a .GIF

 

[Richard]

Alright, let me stop trolling.

I'm not going to argue the semantics of narcissism and NPD - as far as I know, it's being taken out of the DSM and the "subtypes" have too little research to show any importance as of now and it's a waste of time to argue sub-types.

Yes, you are correct that there is a difference between narcissism as a personality trait and NPD as a disorder. I generalized (moreso out of laziness than anything else) and you called me out which is funny since I've flat out pointed out to people (on these forums) that psychopathy and sociopathy are personality components everyone has. That being said though and, to the actual point, I first pointed out that what you quoted Rob on as "displaying narcissism" was wrong and the reason I said that is because narcissism as a personality trait ALWAYS displays some negative effect otherwise it isn't labeled as narcissism (again, why I don't want to argue semantics).

My reference to Kanye West and Oprah is indicative of what I was saying about Rob. Somebody said he can be a high achiever BECAUSE he has low self-esteem and feels a need to prove to himself/validate himself through success and that's not a narcissistic trait (hence me referencing Oprah). It's the difference between self-esteem and self-efficacy that I was trying to point out. But, this entire discussion got derailed over semantics when my original argument was that this comment "bullshit. What you're talking about is narcissism. It's not low self-esteem. Quite the opposite in fact." is not grounded.

and how my insatiable drive was rooted in low self-esteem and the need to constantly prove to myself my own worth through my success and personal power amassed

This doesn't strike me as narcissistic, at all.

Also, I'd suggest you do some research on LSE achievers. A shit ton of research has been done on how/why people with low self esteem go on to become big successes. Self-esteem, confidence, and self-efficacy are all different.

Anyway, what I'm literally arguing is you saying what's above is narcissism and I'm saying it's not for a variety of reasons.

 

[Cacc]

Alright, let me stop trolling.

I'm not going to argue the semantics of narcissism and NPD - as far as I know, it's being taken out of the DSM and the "subtypes" have too little research to show any importance as of now and it's a waste of time to argue sub-types.

Yes, you are correct that there is a difference between narcissism as a personality trait and NPD as a disorder. I generalized (moreso out of laziness than anything else) and you called me out which is funny since I've flat out pointed out to people (on these forums) that psychopathy and sociopathy are personality components everyone has. That being said though and, to the actual point, I first pointed out that what you quoted Rob on as "displaying narcissism" was wrong and the reason I said that is because narcissism as a personality trait ALWAYS displays some negative effect otherwise it isn't labeled as narcissism (again, why I don't want to argue semantics).

My reference to Kanye West and Oprah is indicative of what I was saying about Rob. Somebody said he can be a high achiever BECAUSE he has low self-esteem and feels a need to prove to himself/validate himself through success and that's not a narcissistic trait (hence me referencing Oprah). It's the difference between self-esteem and self-efficacy that I was trying to point out. But, this entire discussion got derailed over semantics when my original argument was that this comment "bullshit. What you're talking about is narcissism. It's not low self-esteem. Quite the opposite in fact." is not grounded.

and how my insatiable drive was rooted in low self-esteem and the need to constantly prove to myself my own worth through my success and personal power amassed

This doesn't strike me as narcissistic, at all.

Also, I'd suggest you do some research on LSE achievers. A shit ton of research has been done on how/why people with low self esteem go on to become big successes. Self-esteem, confidence, and self-efficacy are all different.

Anyway, what I'm literally arguing is you saying what's above is narcissism and I'm saying it's not for a variety of reasons.

lmao. i remember this. i wanted you to write one of your big ass posts. Your time=wasted

xD